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The Vinyl Ripper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:04 AM
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Very interesting information about Lyme disease..
I found this in the letters section of Glenn Greenwald's Salon blog..


http://wonkette.com//politics/tests-bush-can-pass-dept%27

President Healthier Than Dollar

The President’s medical history was released today — and he’s in considerably better shape than us.

<...> Apparently he had Lyme disease last year? No one told us!

Where the hell is this guy coming into contact with a tick, though? Doesn’t he have people who are supposed to jump in front of ticks for him or something?

- - wonkette.com

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/abstract/151/11/1571

The American Journal of Psychiatry; November 1994

Am J Psychiatry 1994; 151:1571-1583
Lyme disease: a neuropsychiatric illness

BA Fallon and JA Nields
Department of Psychiatry, College of Physicians and Surgeons, Columbia University, New York.

<...> Up to 40% of patients with Lyme disease develop neurologic involvement of either the peripheral or central nervous system.

<...> A broad range of psychiatric reactions have been associated with Lyme disease including paranoia, dementia, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, panic attacks, major depression, anorexia nervosa, and obsessive-compulsive disorder.

- - The American Journal of Psychiatry; November 1994

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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:09 AM
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1. THAT'S IT!
Now we know why we're so messed up as a country--our foreighn policy decisions are being made by a tick! (I knew it wasn't anything human).
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:09 AM
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2. With all due respect

It's going to be hard to make a differential diagnosis
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:12 AM
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3. So, now it's a tick's fault?
Brilliant!

First time in history that a tick could technically be called a WMD. :sarcasm:

GMAFB.

TC

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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 10:28 AM
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10. Was the tick named Clinton?
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:12 AM
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4. Please don't stigmatize this disease because Bush has it.
There are a lot of good people suffering with it, and there are a lot of people who don't know they have it. Its a very tough diagnosis- people can have a tick bite and not notice it- if you are not treated within the first few weeks you will probably manifest the disease at some point although you may not have symptoms for a while- and different people will have different symptoms. The tick bite Bush got could have been years ago.
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The Vinyl Ripper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:18 AM
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5. How on earth is providing truthful information "stigmatizing" Lyme disease..?
Edited on Sat Aug-11-07 09:18 AM by The Vinyl Ripper
I have my own mental problem, I mean to stigmatize no one.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:25 AM
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6. By specifically mentioning the psychiatric reactions..
... have been associated with Lyme disease including paranoia, dementia, schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, panic attacks, major depression, anorexia nervosa, and obsessive-compulsive disorder.

Sorry if I took it the wrong way. :hi:
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The Vinyl Ripper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 11:26 AM
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13. My own opinion
Is that people should be made aware of *all* the possible ramifications of this disease.

If it helps just one person realize that their own or a loved one's mental problems are due to Lyme disease then I feel posting the information is a good thing.

Mental afflictions are not the "fault" of the person so afflicted, they are mostly due to some sort of biological disorder, in this case Lyme disease.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:56 AM
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9. I'm not sure I believe he has/had it. Why should we believe liars?
It may be an excuse, period. It may also be an excuse for something else.

They (the people who thought him up and put him there and act behind his back and brief him about what they are going to do, did, or deny him the truth) don't deserve to be believed about anything.

I know that it is an awful disease and I don't mean to demean the seriousness and suffering, but lying is a problem here with the administration. Millions lay in the wake of the lies - no jobs, no sons, no daughters, no immune systems, no businesses, torment, torture, spying, no flying, political deportations.

But, if they are lying to us again ........ using him - I WON"T be surprised.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 10:31 AM
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12. I know, we've been lied to so many times
it is hard to believe anything. His personality defects have been around for a long time, and do not require anything new to explain them.
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Venus Dog Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:37 AM
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7. I still say this is all a bullshit lie!
Why would I believe ANY story that comes out of the WH? Everything that comes out of the administration has been and is a lie - why suddenly believe this story?

Bush has abused drugs and alcohol most of his life and we all know he already has mental problems, most likely caused from this as well as having Poppy and Barb as parents. I think his symptoms are becoming so severe that it's increasing difficult for his handlers to disguise them, so what's the solution? - make up a condition that he was diagnosed with over a year ago and no one was told - something that doesn't sound too wimpy - Lyme disease caused by ticks would be a great sell because, as we all know, junior is an outdoorsmen, right? A manly man who spends his off hours and vacations in the outdoors - hunting, fishing, clearing brush, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, blah, blah, etc. Lyme disease would be the perfect disease to explain away shaking hands, cloudy thinking, forgetfulness, etc. All the symptoms that are also caused by a lifetime of drugs and alcohol and bad genes.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:54 AM
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8. DON'T forget.....
The colonsocopy was done at Camp David...not the hospital. Which would have been the most logical decision since anything can happen. And Camp David is quite a ways from a hospital..

The physical was done IN the White HOuse...not in a hospital. Which was logical. Why tote all that equipment from the hospital to the White House...Why? Because they did not want the change of any thing to be leaked to the press. So they could control what was told to the press.

And does any body believe any of the crap they tried to feed us....hell no.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 10:29 AM
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11. I assume he picked it up on the ranch in TX. Not sure what the BFD is here.....
He got a tick bite, got the bullseye rash, got diagnosed, took a course of antibiotics. End of story.

He's been a completely amoral sociopath his whole life. A tick bite didn't do it.
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The Vinyl Ripper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 11:28 AM
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14. Lyme disease can go undeteced for a long period of time..
Years or even a decade or more with no obvious symptoms..

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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 11:38 AM
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15. I thought I read that he got the bullseye rash (which is the VERY
first thing you see, right at the tick bite, at the time of initial infection) and got it treated right away.

If there was no rash and no bite, they have no way to know for certain that whatever other symptoms he might or might not have has anything whatsoever to do with Lyme. There's no reliable test, IIRC.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 11:39 AM
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16. Yes, that's what they said
He got a rash and was treated.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 12:39 PM
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17. So I don't get what the big deal is. You don't get neuro signs from
an early infection that gets treated. You CAN get those sorts of complications from longstanding, untreated Lyme - "longstanding" and "untreated" being the operative words........
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 12:41 PM
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18. Well, I'm lost too
I also don't get what the BFD deal is either. So what, he got the rash got treated. I'm sure he got a tick on him while he was at his ranch. Shit happens. :shrug:

But many it seems would like to say this explains his behavior and why he should resign from office. *sigh*
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 12:48 PM
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19. Like I have said for years - he's a frickin' lifelong, dedicated sociopath.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 12:53 PM
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20. Lyme disease can be very nasty, Mrbush was nuts before this though.Link to Amy Tan's site on Lyme
Edited on Sat Aug-11-07 12:54 PM by uppityperson
2 issues. Lyme disease can do all sorts of nasty shit to your body. Secondly, mrbush was nuts before this, this doesn't explain his actions.

Amy Tan has Lyme, thought she was going nuts, having severe problems. I know a person who thought she had MS, was Lyme. Tests aren't always definative for it, treatment begun sooner is good, doesn't work sometimes very fast, may not get rid of nasty symptoms. http://www.amytan.net/LymeDisease.aspx
Edited to add link.
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