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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 08:56 AM
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Religion And Culture Behind Texas Execution Tally
Religion And Culture Behind Texas Execution Tally

By REUTERS
Published: August 13, 2007
Filed at 9:14 a.m. ET

DALLAS (Reuters) - Texas will almost certainly hit the grim total of 400 executions this month, far ahead of any other state, testament to the influence of the state's conservative evangelical Christians and its cultural mix of Old South and Wild West.

"In Texas you have all the elements lined up. Public support, a governor that supports it and supportive courts," said Richard Dieter, executive director of the Death Penalty Information Center.

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Like his predecessor, Governor Perry is a devout Christian, highlighting one key factor in Texas' enthusiasm for the death penalty that many outsiders find puzzling -- the support it gets from conservative evangelical churches.

This is in line with their emphasis on individuals taking responsibility for their own salvation, and they also find justification in scripture.

"A lot of evangelical Protestants not only believe that capital punishment is permissible but that it is demanded by God. And they see sanction for that in the Old Testament especially," said Matthew Wilson, a political scientist at Southern Methodist University in Dallas.

Full story:
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/news/news-texas-executions.html



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qdemn7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:01 AM
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1. Religion isn't necessarly the answer.
I'm agnostic, and I support Capital Punishment. This is my view, as one woman says:
Meanwhile, for some in Texas the death penalty is about the victim. "It's the criminal justice system, not the victim justice system. I need to get justice for my victim. I need to see that justice here on earth," said Cathy Hill, whose husband Barry was shot dead while working as a deputy sheriff almost seven years ago. His killer is now on Texas' death row.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:10 AM
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2. Dress up state-run murder in religious clothing
And you can easily gull the inattentive faithful into thinking that they're actually accomplishing something. If execution was a deterrent, don't you think 400 snuffs would have made Texas into the most law-abiding state ever seen on the planet? But who would ask such a question?

As for the justice in the here and now, doesn't that pesky Christian testament reserve ultimate judgment to God and God alone? By prematurely ending someone's life (in effect, the state substitutes itself for God) on whatever pretext, aren't these good evangelical Protestants (let's call a spade a spade and acknowledge that we're really talking about non-sectarian evangelicals and fundamentalists and Southern Baptists) going against scripture? But again, who would ask such a question in Texas?
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:29 AM
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3. Yeah but if you believe in a punitive vengeful God, you will want to keep His anger fed with souls
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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:56 AM
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4. I've shut up so many pro-death penalty evangelicals by agreeing with them
And then going a little bit over the line by saying, "It's not enough that we put them to death, but they should probably be tortured a bit before so I think they should have to wear a crown of thorns, get whipped, drag a railroad tie for several miles, and then get nailed to it."

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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 09:58 AM
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5. How the heck does that shut them up? That does not seem a sound argument. nt
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:34 AM
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10. It reminds them
to treat everyone as if they were Jesus. Even the least amongst us.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:38 AM
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13. I highly doubt that that argument works on fundamentalist Christians...
that favor the death penalty.
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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:57 AM
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15. I've had a few give me thoughtful looks
Some of them - if not completely changing their minds weren't quite as rabid and favored moratoriums, and the rest shut up, which was what I stated had happened in my original subject line.

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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:01 AM
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6. Um, what about "Thou shalt not kill"?
I assume the Republican Christian Party has found some loophole that lets them wiggle out of this Commandment. They certainly don't follow that "Thou shalt not lie" nonsense.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:31 AM
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8. They reply with "that's a mistranslation - it should be Thou shalt not
murder".

But of course, that's superseded by the New Testament, the books that Christianity is supposed to be named for "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". THAT is the Christian argument against the death penalty, when Jesus himself spared a condemned woman from the legally prescribed punishment of being stoned to death.

Of course, we all know the fundies ignore the new testament.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:32 AM
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9. This christian is disgusted
:puke:
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:52 AM
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14. This one too
It's sickening. Maybe they need the sermon on the mount yelled at them through a bullhorn or something, I mean how bloody backwards can they be!
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:36 AM
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11. 400? They're Number 1!! They're Number 1!!! They should make a new motto....
.... Texas: Killing more Americans every year than 9/11.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:37 AM
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12. Funny how they pick and choose from the Bible
to support their barbarism.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 10:58 AM
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16. Isn't that the purpose of the Bible? nt.
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