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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 04:01 PM
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Bush Administration Says Warrantless Eavesdropping CANNOT Be Questioned
Edited on Wed Aug-15-07 04:03 PM by kpete
Bush Administration Says Warrantless Eavesdropping Cannot Be Questioned
Submitted by davidswanson on Wed, 2007-08-15 20:44. Spying
By David Kravets, Wired

The Bush administration said Monday the constitutionality of its warrantless electronic eavesdropping program cannot be challenged.

The government is taking that position in seeking the dismissal of federal court lawsuits against the government and AT&T over its alleged involvement in the once-secret surveillance program adopted after the Sept. 11 terror attacks. The strategy was first recognized by the U.S. Supreme Court in a McCarthy-era lawsuit. It has been increasingly invoked in a bid to shield the government from legal scrutiny.

Two senior Justice Department officials, speaking on condition of anonymity in a teleconference with reporters, reiterated the administration's position that it was invoking the so-called "state secrets privilege" in arguing that the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals must dismiss the cases because they threaten to expose information authorities say is essential to the nation's security.

"The case cannot be litigated in light of the national security interest involved," one official said.

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/25856
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 04:03 PM
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1. Good luck with that one, BushCo whores. n/t
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 04:04 PM
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2. scalito and Roberts
will have the final say, and that is where my sphincter starts to twitch.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 04:11 PM
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Maybe the 9th Circuit panel will do the right thing. I think
Edited on Wed Aug-15-07 04:12 PM by sfexpat2000
the hearing just started.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 04:28 PM
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13. Nothing der Fuhrer says or does can be questioned. Surely we all get it
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 07:22 PM
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26. THe USA versus
the chimp? May take awhile but I'm betting on us.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 04:06 PM
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3. Hey, it worked for Area 51...
:mad:
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 04:07 PM
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4. OK......I guess that clears that up. I was wondering do we still
need attorney's in this country? Because I just have the feeling that everything is going to go the way of it's a secret. How can you fight a secret?
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 04:08 PM
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5. Impeach n/t
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 04:08 PM
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6. Oh well
I'm sure if the Bush regime was actually abusing and violating the Constitution that Congress and the SCOTUS would do something about it
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 04:11 PM
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7. That's the single most compelling reason
Edited on Wed Aug-15-07 04:12 PM by C_U_L8R
that it needs to be questioned, examined, questioned more, scrutinized...
and ultimately tossed.

Or we could take the short route and toss it now
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 04:14 PM
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8. K&R
Because people keep insisting "They can't do that!"

Newsflash! They can, they are, and they are getting away with it.

"The Constitution is just a goddamn piece of paper!"

That quote ring a bell with anyone?
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 04:15 PM
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9. translation: they'd LOSE without their loophole
and they know it.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 04:16 PM
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10. excuse me, who died and made him Pope
Pope Bush, who can have infallible doctrines which cannot be questioned, I know God talks to him but he's not in line to
succeed to the Papal Office, that's Papal, not Oval Office.
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 04:20 PM
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11. Once we're rid of * . . .
how long before we get our civil liberties back? :grr:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 07:23 PM
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27. That's what I
wanna know!
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 04:20 PM
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12. Phew, I feel so much safer now.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 05:05 PM
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14. More of their record-breaking "State Secrets Privilege" abuse!
Edited on Wed Aug-15-07 05:10 PM by calipendence
This needs to stop! Perhaps congress should draft some legislation that formalizes a process to protect the portion of evidence in a secure way that REALLY is secure for civil cases, but doesn't allow civil cases to be patently dismissed just because of what they claim to be "state secrets" with no way the public can see even the non-secret parts of the case that was put forth to the court. There are other laws for criminal cases like Scooter Libby's which is why state secrets privilege has primarily been used in civil cases against the state.

It would be great to have every member of congress on record if they support this sort of abuse or not!
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 05:23 PM
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15. who is going to stop him?
just curious.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 05:29 PM
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16. Bow down to your emperor. He is your master.
Kneel before the throne and pay your respects to your emperor. :sarcasm:
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 10:15 PM
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17. fuck him..fuck fuck fuck him...get that fucker out of my white house..i can't stand it anymore!
and i do hold dems accountable on this as well!

gosh i hate thatprick..no one had the damn right to give my rights away..not even this damn congress!

i am so pissed!

fly
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 10:21 PM
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18. The government claims a right against self-incrimination by a tyranny of the people.
We've gone Through The 9/11 Looking Glass into a non-Euclidean world. :banghead:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 10:24 PM
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19. Ah, the ol' "Because I said so!" defense.
Nicely played. :eyes:
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 11:14 AM
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20. And that doesn't even work on a two-year-old.
No wonder this country is so screwed up. When do we get some sanity back in what is supposed to be our government? :banghead:
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 06:44 PM
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24. About 580 days
Please, hold on until then.

I think the judge should have asked, "Why?"

Then the lawyers could answer, "Because."

Judge: "But, whhhyyyy?"

Lawyers: "Because!"
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 02:50 PM
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21. We have a dictator.
Happy now, 'pukes?
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 03:10 PM
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22. "McCarthy-era lawsuit"
Kinda says it all, doesn't it.
Except they've expanded these activities beyond McCarthy's wildest dreams.

Wasn't there something awhile back about Bush reshaping or going after the 9th Circuit? Maybe because they knew these cases would land there.

It's all chilling.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 04:15 PM
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23. Oh good grief...
:eyes:
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 07:06 PM
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25. .
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 04:33 AM
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28. .
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