Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Autism in the US.....are Chinese made goods the culprit?

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 10:08 PM
Original message
Autism in the US.....are Chinese made goods the culprit?
Thom Hartmann raised the question. Overexposure to mercury is often cited for the increase in autism but could the culprit be poisonous goods made in China?

Roughly 20 years ago the US market opened up to chinese made imports. The autism rate at that time was 1 in 10,000.

Today the autism rate is 1 in 150....

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 10:12 PM
Response to Original message
1. Claimed autism rate
There are people who have some symptoms, or altogether different ones, and lumped into the group because the doctor's a quack who merely wants to throw drugs at the patient.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #1
13. I dunno. There are alot of severe cases at my son's school, including
my son. The speech and occupational therapist swear there is a boom, and not just in mild cases.

There is a bunch of siblings from another family going through this class as well: sister, brother, and younger sister is in the special needs class for preschoolers, and there is also a toddler with signs.

Out of six kids in one class, my son is the only one on meds.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 10:49 PM
Response to Reply #13
17. and insurance doesn't pay for autism treatment
my son's are "fortunately" depressed so they qualify for therapy but they can't get the physical therapy they need to overcome or learn to cope with the physical symptoms of autism. So they get depressed because they don't fit in...

Wisconsin is working on mandating that insurance company cover this brain disorder, insurance companies insist that the schools should cover it as a learning disorder.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #17
20. My son's doc labelled him ADHD so the insurance would pay for his
meds, and since there is no medication for "autism". We have severe limits in coverage for his speech therapy, and I have to fight for that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #1
21. If you know of a drug that treats autism...
send it over here. I have a cousin and a nephew who could use it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 10:14 PM
Response to Original message
2. Actually we caused their autism rates to go up
Edited on Sat Aug-18-07 10:19 PM by goddess40
when we sent them our vaccines preserved with thimerisol. Rolling Stone had an article by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. that talked about it.

I wish I still had the article but I gave it to my son's therapist and he as since passed away so I can't even ask if he still has it.


http://educate-yourself.org/cn/thimerosalpoisoning22jun05.shtml - this is a different article by Kennedy on the same subject.


http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/player.jhtml?ml_video=16541&ml_collection=&ml_gateway=&ml_gateway_id=&ml_comedian=&ml_runtime=&ml_context=show&ml_origin_url=%2Fmotherload%2Findex.jhtml%3Fml_video%3D16541&ml_playlist=&lnk=&is_large=true

This is a link to Kennedy's appearance on The Daily Show
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. This article?

Deadly Immunity

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. investigates the government cover-up of a mercury/autism scandal

ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR.Posted Jun 20, 2005 12:00 AM

In June 2000, a group of top government scientists and health officials gathered for a meeting at the isolated Simpsonwood conference center in Norcross, Georgia. Convened by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the meeting was held at this Methodist retreat center, nestled in wooded farmland next to the Chattahoochee River, to ensure complete secrecy. The agency had issued no public announcement of the session -- only private invitations to fifty-two attendees. There were high-level officials from the CDC and the Food and Drug Administration, the top vaccine specialist from the World Health Organization in Geneva and representatives of every major vaccine manufacturer, including GlaxoSmithKline, Merck, Wyeth and Aventis Pasteur. All of the scientific data under discussion, CDC officials repeatedly reminded the participants, was strictly "embargoed." There would be no making photocopies of documents, no taking papers with them when they left.

The federal officials and industry representatives had assembled to discuss a disturbing new study that raised alarming questions about the safety of a host of common childhood vaccines administered to infants and young children. According to a CDC epidemiologist named Tom Verstraeten, who had analyzed the agency's massive database containing the medical records of 100,000 children, a mercury-based preservative in the vaccines -- thimerosal -- appeared to be responsible for a dramatic increase in autism and a host of other neurological disorders among children. "I was actually stunned by what I saw," Verstraeten told those assembled at Simpsonwood, citing the staggering number of earlier studies that indicate a link between thimerosal and speech delays, attention-deficit disorder, hyperactivity and autism. Since 1991, when the CDC and the FDA had recommended that three additional vaccines laced with the preservative be given to extremely young infants -- in one case, within hours of birth -- the estimated number of cases of autism had increased fifteenfold, from one in every 2,500 children to one in 166 children.

Even for scientists and doctors accustomed to confronting issues of life and death, the findings were frightening. "You can play with this all you want," Dr. Bill Weil, a consultant for the American Academy of Pediatrics, told the group. The results "are statistically significant." Dr. Richard Johnston, an immunologist and pediatrician from the University of Colorado whose grandson had been born early on the morning of the meeting's first day, was even more alarmed. "My gut feeling?" he said. "Forgive this personal comment -- I do not want my grandson to get a thimerosal-containing vaccine until we know better what is going on."

But instead of taking immediate steps to alert the public and rid the vaccine supply of thimerosal, the officials and executives at Simpsonwood spent most of the next two days discussing how to cover up the damaging data. According to transcripts obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, many at the meeting were concerned about how the damaging revelations about thimerosal would affect the vaccine industry's bottom line. "We are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits," said Dr. Robert Brent, a pediatrician at the Alfred I. duPont Hospital for Children in Delaware. "This will be a resource to our very busy plaintiff attorneys in this country." Dr. Bob Chen, head of vaccine safety for the CDC, expressed relief that "given the sensitivity of the information, we have been able to keep it out of the hands of, let's say, less responsible hands." Dr. John Clements, vaccines advisor at the World Health Organization, declared that "perhaps this study should not have been done at all." He added that "the research results have to be handled," warning that the study "will be taken by others and will be used in other ways beyond the control of this group."

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/7395411/deadly_immunity/

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #4
10. That's it - thanks
I was looking for it but got sidetracked watching the Daily Show link.

I have two son's with autism spectrum disorder - one with NLD and the other has Asperger's. The one with the more severe case had three extra vaccines, with one being within hours of being born.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ellaydubya Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 10:15 PM
Response to Original message
3. Very interesting
The increase in autism has really concerned me and I have wondered why. American products are more expensive to make because of our regulations, and that is why manufacturing has moved out of the country. This is what we get for affordable (or cheap) merchandise.

I say do more with less and just maybe we would all be healthier.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 10:24 PM
Response to Original message
5. I'd Say That's A HUGE Stretch Of Imagination.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 10:28 PM
Response to Reply #5
8. Huge ?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #8
11. Yes. Huge.
American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source

huge (hyōōj) Pronunciation Key
adj. hug·er, hug·est

1. Of exceedingly great size, extent, or quantity. See Synonyms at enormous.
2. Of exceedingly great scope or nature: the huge influence of the Hellenic world.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 10:25 PM
Response to Original message
6. coal-fired power plants
and the mercury they spew are reasonable suspects too.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #6
9. I agree-a big cause of mine
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #6
12. Thanks again to the republican's
lifting the laws about air and water quality and putting pro-pollution jerks in charge of inspection.

Hidden in the Patriot Act is a protection for big Pharma - if any of their vaccines cause damage the companies will not be held liable.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. Espescially my rep-Smoky Joe Barton-he is totally in their pocket
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RayOfHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 10:25 PM
Response to Original message
7. As the mother of a mildly autistic son, I wondered this myself n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 10:39 PM
Response to Reply #7
16. the fact that we are assaulted daily by a myriad of toxins.. from all over
just makes it more impossible to ever arrive at a definitive "cause".. and that's just the way the manufacturing community likes it.. When someone steps forward to file a law suit, they must all go in a room and have a good laugh..

Was it the flame-proof jammies?
the plastic baby bottles?
the toys?
the carpet?
the food at preschool?
the fumes from the family car?
was it something in the milk?
grandpa's pipe?
the vaccinations?
the plant food?
the electrical wires?

who knows?

No way to pin any one thing down as causative..
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RayOfHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 07:25 AM
Response to Reply #16
27. Absolutely. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
spacelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 10:39 PM
Response to Original message
15. My opinion is that these disturbing upswings must be evaluated
in shades of grey - there is not one single source to point to - it is most likely a cumulative effect from various sources OR different sources cause exposures leading to the same condition.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Colorado Progressive Donating Member (980 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 10:50 PM
Response to Original message
18. holy shit batman, why didnt I figure this out myself???????
Seriously, I have always been ultra suspicious about the autism rates in the US. Off to investigate...

:hide:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 11:01 PM
Response to Original message
19. our gummint knew about the mercury and did nothing for years.
Edited on Sat Aug-18-07 11:02 PM by ellenfl
you can't blame the chinese for that. it's probably why china thought it could send any toxic junk wal-mart would pay for . . . they already knew they could get away with it.

ellen fl
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 11:22 PM
Response to Original message
22. No but the Bush Administration is certainly demonizing China these days.
Who owns the media?

Who creates the stories that are played by the media?

Cui bono?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 11:31 PM
Response to Original message
23. I have one son with Aperger's,
and two sons with alopecia areata. I have only two sons, so the one with Asperger's also has alopecia areata. Which is an auto-immune disorder that causes hair loss. I have two sons who are totally bald. No hair on their heads, no eyebrows, no eyelashes, no body hair whatsoever.

Personally, I'm inclined to think that the increase in auto-immune disorders (as well as other random things like various forms of autism) is at least as connected to the increase in electro-magnetic fields as to immunizations.

The problem with immunizations is NOT mercury in the vaccines, but the nature of vaccines themselves. Natural immunity, the kind you get from being exposed to a disease and surviving it, is far and away the best kind of immunity there is. Problem is, that a lot of diseases kill nearly as many as survive. Even influenza, which is actually in many ways a relatively benign disease, has this reputation of being a deadly killer, which is why flu vaccines are highly recommended. Truth is, you're vastly better off getting the flu and having a very good resistance to future flu epidemics than can last fifty years or more. But the human toll of such illnesses (flu, chicken pox, measles, smallpox) are considered to be far worse than the relatively trivial side effects of vaccines to prevent such diseases. So now kids are routinely vaccinated against smallpox, chicken pox, measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis, and I don't even know what more these days. And autism rates are sky-rocketing.

Our immune systems are designed to be challenged as we grow up by lots of diseases, and for those who survive those challenges the happy result is that we enter a fairly long period (from about age 10 to age 50 or so) of good health, resistance to much of what's out there. We mate, have children, raise them to adulthood. We then succumb to something or another, somewhere after age 50, secure in the knowledge that the species is perpetuated.

But current thinking says that all who make it to birth must, absolutely must live to grow up and reproduce. We achieve this in no small part through childhood immunizations. And then we wonder why incidence of such things as autism rises. Natural selection is a very sensible system, and when we circumvent it, we're playing with fire.

And I'm speaking as someone whose sons would never have been born living without modern obstetrical intervention.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 11:36 PM
Response to Original message
24. Quick, panic.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 12:02 AM
Response to Original message
25. I really don't believe there's an increase.
http://www.slate.com/id/2157496/

The arguments rage on and the 'epidemic' side seems to be forever shifting. Used to be mercury... now it's lead.

I teach high functioning autistic kids now who would have been labeled 'mild MR ' when I started teaching in the mid eighties.

Same kids... different label. It's not that complicated and not mysterious at all.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #25
26. I believe it's a combination of both
an actual increase and better diagnosis
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed May 08th 2024, 12:23 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC