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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 06:58 PM
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I have never seen a METAR wind velocity like this....(current METAR from Kingston)
METAR: MKJP 192300Z E11099OO180KT 0KM BKN008 BKN010CB OVC080 24/24 Q0998

If I read this correctly, Kingston is reporting windspeeds of 180 knots. If someone knows ICAO or JAA format please tell me I'm wrong.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 07:02 PM
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1. where is METAR?
:shrug:
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 07:03 PM
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2. Just a weather observation
(METAR - an abbreviation for "Routine Aviation Weather Observation" in French) in an encoded format.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 07:05 PM
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5. thank you for the explanation
They said on the Weather channel that on the other side of the island from Kingston they have measured winds at 138 mph, I would think the winds that OP reference are not sustained but gusts.
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 07:07 PM
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6. Gusts would be reported like this....
180G200 (and I'm not sure if it can report wind speeds in excess of 199 knots). That's why I'm hoping this is an incorrect reading.
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 07:04 PM
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3. METAR
Edited on Sun Aug-19-07 07:05 PM by Aviation Pro
Is the format used in aviation to report weather, it stands for Meteorologic Aviation Report after translating it from the French.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 07:04 PM
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4. That's what it looks like to me. And that is over 207mph.
That is gonna tear up some stuff.

Tornado-force winds.
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BadgerLaw2010 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 07:08 PM
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7. Tornado cell inside the hurricane arm?
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 07:11 PM
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12. That could account for it....
....Kingston is in the southeast quadrant now looking at overhead.
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Wilber_Stool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 07:44 PM
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24. Do you have a link for that page?
I was trying to find it at NOAA yesterday and found everything but.
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 07:46 PM
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25. Ask and you'll receive
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/satellite.shtml
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Wilber_Stool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 07:50 PM
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27. Thanks.......n/t
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 07:18 PM
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14. That is possible.
When winds that hard start wrapping around mountainous islands, all kinds of crap can happen.

I was in a typhoon off Fiji about 40 years ago and that thing was spinning off some unreal 'spouts. I saw one of them pick up a pretty good-sized trawler and throw it like a child's toy. And I was scared witless.
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lazer47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 07:09 PM
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8. If you know what a NOTAM is, currently, Emergency NOTAM
out of Kingston Ja. Winds in excess of 160, Gusting to 180, w,nw
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 07:10 PM
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10. Ahhh... you answered my question as I was typing it.
Kingston, Jamaica, I assume.
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 07:14 PM
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13. That NOTAM doesn't make sense....
...those winds would be in the northwest quadrant, which are out at sea.
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lazer47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 07:34 PM
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19. I didn't write the Damn NOTAM,,, winds WEST AND NORTH WEST
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 07:38 PM
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22. I'm not questioning your reporting....
...I'm questioning the NOTAM.
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lazer47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:02 PM
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34. If all NOTAMS made sense, they wouldn't let the Gov. write them
you should see some of the NOTAMS for Rotor Wing aircraft, you would think you were flying "starchwing aircraft",,,,
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:20 PM
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41. As a starchwing, dynamic airflow....
Edited on Sun Aug-19-07 08:21 PM by Aviation Pro
...kind of a guy, I take umbrage at that comment. (I didn't say anything about angry palm trees did I)? :-)
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lazer47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:26 PM
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43. I kiss thy hand O Great one, I have been duly chastized, and awarded the
new job of tuning the ADF.
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:31 PM
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44. ADF? What's that?
No such animal anymore in the new glass environment. (And yes, I did have to prove myself at one time with that God-foresaken signal that was constantly getting screwed up over the shoreline).
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lazer47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:35 PM
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45. We used to listen to AFVN on it, that was all it was good for
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:38 PM
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46. I didn't know AFVN was on an AM frequency....
...I was two wars later.
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lazer47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:48 PM
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47. Armed Forces Radio Network in Vietnam was 580 am,, 0500
till 2400,,
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 10:10 PM
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52. I wouldn't want to be without one. They're not needed a lot but damn good to have
when they are...remember, minimums are often higher without 'em. Most ILS runways have compass locators at the outer marker...or where it would be if they put 75 MHZ beacons on the back course.
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 10:41 PM
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54. GMA 340....


The ADF button is on the right, it does not collect the signal but rather fixes the position for the GNS on the ILS approach. Unfortunately, the rush to all glass has degraded traditional instrument skills, which is why we need parachutes for planes I reckon. By the way, have any luck trying to get ahold of AFSS lately? Ever since they switched to LM the system has been all jacked up.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 07:09 PM
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9. Kingston where?
We have a Kingston, TN, which is about 45 minutes from where I live. There is little wind today. A good breeze, but not 180 knots.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 07:10 PM
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11. I believe they are talking about hurricane Dean - Jamaica
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lazer47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 07:36 PM
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20. I am not sure but I think it is Jamacia, Don't quote me though.
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Mutineer Donating Member (659 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:15 PM
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38. Yes, it is Jamaica. Big hurricane there in case you haven't heard.
Big bad hurricane.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 09:05 PM
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48. I don't think it's Tennessee.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 07:21 PM
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15. It's passing south - worse than a direct hit
That means Jamaica is completely on the wet side of the storm.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/storm_graphics/AT04/refresh/AL0407W5+gif/204526W_sm.gif
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 07:21 PM
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16. I have never watched a hurricane this closely, but now my sis is in Belize and w/sward trend
I am starting to get a little worried....

I hope you guys that are the weather experts will be posting tomorrow and Tuesday when it is scheduled to hit Belize. Already there is a hurrican watch along the coast. Luckily she is inland, but that only means she is about 60 miles from the coast...not much when the hurricane is hundreds of miles wide....
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 07:27 PM
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17. And the winds didn't abate because the eye stayed in the water...
...this is a monster.

On another note, Gov. Rick "Good Hair" Perry has activated his emergency plan to evacuate the elderly out of Brownsville should Dean veer north and FEMA is taking Dean "very seriously" according to current political hack David Paulison. Nice of you McGruffs to finally govern.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 07:30 PM
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18. on CNN.com, there is a link to track the hurricane
Edited on Sun Aug-19-07 07:33 PM by DemReadingDU
by satellite. It appears to be in real-time.

The link is under the developing story about the hurricane.

LIVE: Track Hurricane Dean by satellite



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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 07:38 PM
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21. I've read thousands but never saw one like that!
No idea what the 2 zeroes before the 180 mean. :eyes:
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 07:44 PM
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23. The raw METAR now seems to be garbled (on wunderground anyway)
They are reporting 173 mph s/se
:scared:
http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/78397.html?&theprefset=SHOWMETAR&theprefvalue=METAR
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 07:49 PM
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26. I wonder if they're taking observations....
...from heights rather than surface readings. The WFO in Miami reported 137 knots as Wilma passed through but that was an 850 mb reading. Anyway you look at it, Dean will be retired at the end of the season.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 07:55 PM
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29. Maybe there's a buoy offshore??? I don't think I believe these figures.
Not for Kingston anyway...
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:00 PM
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32. The two buoys in the array that are closest....
...are both out of commission due to lack of funds. Thanks Bush!

http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:10 PM
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37. They probably need a few $450,000 washers.
:eyes:
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 07:54 PM
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28. Picture of Kingston's current weather page, wind 173 mph
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 07:59 PM
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31. I'm sure either the instruments or the encoding software is out of range.
Look at the ceiling...100000 meters, 100000 feet. Impossible either way...
:eyes:
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:04 PM
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35. Straight up through the eye, high ceiling but pretty small.
It is pretty wild anyways, will be watching.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:16 PM
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39. What I mean is 100000 meters is a bit more than 300000 feet
and there are not clouds that high anyway...it's way in the stratosphere.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:18 PM
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40. Rockets only then. I agree, something isn't right about the numbers
it will be wild to see the numbers when they get in accurately. Wild any way around.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 07:57 PM
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30. Could Dean Reform in the Pacific?
http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/at200704_v5d.html?extraprod=v5d#a_topad
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:01 PM
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33. Possible....
...but the remnant low would have to get through the mountains so not likely.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 09:22 PM
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50. Unlikely.. Those mountains in the middle of Mexico will tear it apart
It will bring flooding & mudslides to mexico, but i think once it hits those mountains, it's done for.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 10:06 PM
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51. I forgot about the mountains. This could be a very deadly
situation.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 10:24 PM
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53. Warm moist air hits cold mountain air and ..rain rain rain
and more rain.. The Sierra Madres are pretty imposing..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierra_Madre_Occidental
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 10:23 AM
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57. It seems to be going to head south over the narrow part
of the range. It's kind of a bow shape and that will concentrate the runoff to a smaller area on the east side of the range.
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:08 PM
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36. There is not a hint of dry air between Dean and Mexico....
Edited on Sun Aug-19-07 08:09 PM by Aviation Pro
...which means it will pick up even more moisture in the bands.



And here are the sea surface temperatures:



Dean will pass through water that is 86 - 88 F. With it tracking with an upper-level high there is great potential for it to strengthen to a Category 5 before landfall in Mexico.
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 08:23 PM
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42. Hurricane Gilbert (1988)...
...which had a path through the Caribbean almost identical to Dean's, had winds of 185 mph but didn't reach that strength until it left Jamaica.

Hurricane Camille (1969) reached sustained winds of 190 mph as did Hurricane Allen (1980), which also had a path similar to Dean and Gilbert. Of these, only Camille was at full strength when making landfall.

Hurricane Wilma (2005) also boasted 185 mph winds but her strength subsided well before making landfall.

Rita (2005) had winds of 180 mph at one point.

Janet (1955) had 175 mph winds.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-19-07 09:16 PM
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49. The storm is passing to the south of the island
meaning the island is experiencing the most intense winds in the storm. The most intense quadrant is always the northeast quadrant.

They just won't get the storm surge, not with the eye remaining well offshore.

I wouldn't be surprised by gusts to 180. The thing had sustained winds of 150.
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WritersBlock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 12:26 AM
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55. Interesting.


The two characters after the 99 are the letter O, not the digit 0 (zero) - wonder if that's something to do with automated stations?
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 12:36 AM
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56. Anybody seen the animated NOAA site?
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t1/loop-vis.html

I've been watching it all day. Their projections show it just missing Yucatan and going into the Gulf.
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