In 4-6 Weeks, Hillary Clinton Becomes The 2008 Presidential Election Victor

Unless Al Gore enters the race between now and the end of September, Hillary Clinton will be our next President.

She'll be the First Female President.

The U.S. history will read as follows:

Reagan - 8 Years
* Sr. - 4 Years
Clinton- 8 Years
* Jr. - 8 Years
Clinton- 4(8) Years

The media will get the CLOSE RACE they're seeking in '08, because there is ZERO chance that Clinton will either lose or run away with the election. It will be much more of a horse race, and in the end, it will be the complete and utter disgust for anything repub that will result in her victory.

The Democrats will be happy, because AOTS (Anything Other Than Shrub) is better than any potential alternative. Repubs will be pissed, but they'll be content in the fact they'll spend at least 4 years Bashing Ms. Clinton at Every Chance they get, as opposed to playing defense, as they will for the coming 18 months. It will energize the base in the Congressional elections to come, and continue to obstruct our government as much as they can until '10-'12.

Al Gore will do his thing as a private citizen. Although I could not imagine it, perhaps he already has an agreement with Bill & Hillary, so that he'll be given a position in the administration relating to the environment/global warming. Perhaps the Global Warming Czar. Or head of the Department Of Global Warming Homeland Security.

Otherwise, he'll try and get listened by anyone who is concerned and interested about global warming. I somehow doubt a Hillary administration is going to be overtly concerned about this issue, so as a private citizen, Mr. Gore will be on his own, so to speak, and will have to make his own noise, to those who are interested in listening.

So, in comparison, AOTS will look quite nice. I guess it could be worse. I guess my only concern is that another Clinton presidency, while not making things worse, won't do enough to change them dramatically for the better. But she is a Clinton, so in the end, that's what we'll have for hope.

But "Hope Is A Dangerous Thing."-Shawshank Redemption

I hope Obama will accept her offer for running mate....

I'm getting very weary of having to hold my nose when I vote.

Can we write in Kucinich?I think that is still "allowed" isn't it?

A lot can change.

From the same movie.

I can see I'm going to have to leave the country. There WILL be another Republican president.

I think not.

I think we're operating in a different world these days.

And Hillary is not LIEberman or Gephardt. Unless she stumbles significantly, it's hers to lose.

And she's married to a fairly powerful and respected ex-President, which in the end, will be the trump card.

Hopefully Al will enter, and do so soon, otherwise it will be too late anyways.

Hillary's hand is a bluff.

I still hold out hope that a true Democratic candidate will emerge as our candidate. And much though I love Bill, I believe in her heart HRC is still a Goldwater Gal. She is part of the Bible study group with the rightwing neo-con repubs. She doesn't believe in equal rights for all Americans. She is a SPONSOR of the misnamed "Defense of Marriage Act". She is a vocal hawk for the Iraq war (whilst quibbling with its execution).

If I wanted Republican Lite I would vote for Romney or Ghouliani.

I want a Democratic President, preferably a progressive liberal one. HRC is NOT that person.

but are willing to vote based solely on prejudice. Why don't you read up and FIND OUT.

So...done deal .....let's gather around. And...sad thing...I didn't even get to give my 50 Bucks to Hillary so she would support "MY AGENDA." But, then, isn't that what "Politics" is all about?

You gotta have the BIG BUCKS to PLAY VEGAS! and with Poppy's GANG it was MEGA BUCKS...but I wonder if Poppy isn't playing that game to get his little "pocket change who went BAD" a BIG PARDON for all those BIG BUCKS that Hillary/OBAMA might be sporting. :shrug: Who knows? I might just be "UBER CYNICAL."

the LAST thing we need is another dlc "repug-lite" clinton as potus.

That the Democratic wing of the Democratic party will be all that happy.

The DINO's on the other hand will be overjoyed..

Just some anti Hil vibes to counteract the thread title. Peace. NO! Hillary NO!!! DK ALL THE WAY!

But how will the Nader agenda progress without a crazy right-winger puppet?

Run Ralph, Run!

We feel as if the people have some sort of say in the matter. I'm not so sure that's the case.

What really makes Hillary Clinton the BEST choice to lead us, following the disaster that has been the past 7 years?

I appreciate all those who throw their support behind folks like Kucinich, or Edwards, or even Obama. I plan to support and vote for Edwards in the primary. I just think there is ZERO chance he's going to get the nomination. And that's a better chance than Dennis has. Hope is fine, but let's face reality. And this might be 2007, but Obama is not going to get the nomination. Reality, not hope. Sorry.

I have believed, and still believe, that Al Gore was the only one who stood a chance. Who knows, perhaps I'm a bit naive in my support for him, and Hillary would have knocked him cold also. Perhaps she has been "Given" the Presidency as much as I have feared. You know, more or less like "*" was given the previous 2 elections.

I guess outcomes are not fun when they're known in advance. We'll see what happens, but I feel like tuning out, and saying wake me in November '08, AFTER Hillary has won the election. I'm going to spend the year figuring out if there is any viable alternative to the country formerly known as America.

Nothing is inevitable... and Hillary doesn't have it in the bag yet.

I think she does have it in the bag. Al is just the only one strong enough to tip the bag over, so she falls out.

It's anyone's game at this point.

I don't mind if she becomes the nominee (or president, for that matter),
but if she locks it up in 8 weeks, then it gives the Republicans* and their
friends at National Hate Radio a whole year of crap about the Democratic
Party to concentrate on, instead of the moving target their undecided race
is giving us now, and that ours SHOULD be giving them.

*I do not say "and Fox," as I see them as the media arm of the Republican Party.

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This is why the DLC is dangerous. For all their claims of supposedly wanting to help Democrats, they employ people like Marshall Wittman who specifically try to undermine the Democratic Party, even if it means he has to publicly defecate out the most rank and easily-debunkable lies. They reguarly give credence to the right wing's agenda and its worst, most unsupportable lies. They are the real force that tries to make sure this country is a one party state and that Democrats never really challenge the Republicans in a serious way.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/why-the-dlc-is-so-dangero_b_13640.html

Without a doubt, the DLC is the most fundamentalist organization within the caucus, the most ideologically rigid, and the most destructive to the progressive cause.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/5/24/1712/23448

Clinton-Obama!!!!!

n/t

Wow. Pass what you're smoking...er...nevermind....

if not she is an invisible candidate to me, Kucinich on the other hand believes in our right to Hand Count the Paper Ballots.

Tell me what is it that makes her or ANY other Candidate besides Kucinich the one I should vote for?

:eyes:

illegal invasion she supported. blaming the victims is always disgraceful, but when the victims have been subjected to US aggression and as a result of that aggression have suffered a loss of one million people... it goes way beyond that.

She should be cleaning out restrooms in greyhound stations, along with anyone else who voted for that Iraq War resolution, and especially someone who promises continued military occupation for years to come.

right? I saw you used it with Bush Sr, though it shouldn't have been.

Zero chance, huh.

I know several life-long Democrats, who have never voted for a Republican even in the 1984 Reagan landslide, who have sworn that they will not, under any circumstance, for her, because they do not trust her any more than they trust Bush. Not conservative Dems, not "dixiecrats." They've said they'll either stay home, not vote for President, or vote Green. There is a good reason why she has the highest unfavorable rating and why over 40% of the electorate would even vote for Newt Gingrich in a Newt vs. Hillary race. It's because the Democratic electorate also has strong misgivings about her.

This head-in-sand mentality about 2008 is seriously getting on my nerves. The Congressional Democrats' approval rating is just as bad as Bush's. 2006 wasn't an example of "utter disgust with anything repub," but rather, utter disgust with the 109th Congress. It was not a vote of confidence in Dems, but a vote of NO confidence in the 109th Congress. There was an opportunity for 2008 to be a blowout, but our brilliant "leadership" pissed it away quite gloriously, and now we'll have to fight to keep the status quo. If Hillary is at the top of the ticket, expect low Democratic voter turnout due to the large number of Dem voters who don't trust her, and record GOP turnout due to who she is.

For one, many just assume that because Bush has poor poll numbers, and many of us focus on Bush, that the general public shares our perception.

We should recognize that the reason why Bush's approval ratings as so low is that many REPUBLICANS now don't approve of his job performance. That doesn't mean they are not Republicans at all! Just that they don't think BUSH is doing well. And some of them don't think Bush is conservative enough! We would be deluding ourselves to assume that they are naturally going to vote for Hillary.

We also should recognize that Bush is not going to be running this time around, and that whomever is will distance himself from Bush as much as possible.

The head-in-sand was going on during Spring of 04 too. NONE of the charges the Swift Boaters later made, once he got the nomination, were unknown earlier. There were discussions about it in Spring on this board, for that matter. But they were all shrugged off because the only thing we wanted to believe was Kerry was "electable".

There are many more things that Hillary brings to the table to be Swift Boated. Even worse, she already has been painted with these memes so they will be even more believable. Yet, we have people-in-denial actually making the case that all the negatives Hillary has aroused actually are a good thing, because, I guess things are so bad they can't get worse.

They can get worse. It is probably going to be a close race for President no matter who is nominated. It is not going to be a blow out for us. So we need to nominate the one who has the best policies and the best chance of winning. Hillary comes up short on both measures.

is what I've come to expect of Hillary supporters to the point they remind me of Bushies.

Better work for another candidate or we will end up with Hillary.

It's obvious now that she's the candidate the right wing manipulators would most like to kick around. The Repugs could either win against her outright, or "lose" the election and gain a triangulator who'll give them a big break. Yadda yadda...insert list of all the things we are disappointed in Hillary about. And there are many.

Rove calling her a "flawed candidate" is the call to arms for the rightwing opposition. It also cements the moderates of both parties who want distance from the BFEE, who will rally around Hillary. The left is expected to go for the other candidates. Liberals are smart enough to realize that all the candidates are "flawed" in some way and won't have a knee-jerk reaction to the rhetoric.

Meanwhile the media will keep the public distracted by spectacle. Confronting the scary Billary monster. It's hard to imagine the media frenzy to be inflicted on us. Tweety's rotor will fall off. Mops and towels will be needed on the set. And all that "first woman president" hoopla to suffer through. The stomach churns. Great distraction for the masses. But we don't need that at all right now. Far from giving me hope, it would be seriously depressing.

The depressive effect of a Hillary candidacy on the Democratic wing of the Democratic party is a nice dividend for them.

In a better time and situation, I wouldn't consider a Hillary presidency to be so terrible. We could get that (yawn) "first woman president" crap out of the way and move on.

But it is all wrong right now.

Oh yes, doing all he can to save this planet for future generations and light a fire under the butts of people to see what they are doing to this planet isn't important at all. It's just his "thing." What hogwash. Remember, you get the government you DESERVE.

And you know what they say about ass u me?

In four to six weeks, Hillary will be no closer to winning that she is now, and quite possibly much further away. Despite what you say, the voters in each primary will be the ones who decide this matter, no some anonymous poster on a chat board, such as yourself.

You are also downplaying how many people will vote for ABH, anyone but Hillary. There are many Dems, and many, many more 'Pugs who will vote for anybody but her.

And frankly, it is attitudes like yours that is increasingly turning people away from Hillary. That smug air of inevitablity, that Hillary somehow deserves our vote. This is the kind of attitude that 'Pugs, and the Bush campaign have exhibited. A real shame to see so many Dems copping that same attitude.

Look, why don't you just keep it in your pocket until after the primary. Then we'll see who's won what, and what their chances are. Anything else on your part is nothing more than arrogant assumptions.

And talk about arrogance...they are the haughty ones who call others "naive". What....Ever.....

He will work as a free agent. I recall that his statement was unequivocal.

And there is a rumor afoot that he will enter the race if Clinton appears to be the front runner.

He would know the Clintons quite well, I should think. Perhaps he is no longer a fan of triangulation.

..because if she IS the nominee then the republicans will win.

Posted by Dr_eldritch in General Discussion: Politics
Mon Jul 30th 2007, 02:54 PM

In my home, the television is on all day. Like a techno-twisted version of Frank Lloyd Wright’s philosophy, it is the heart and the hearth of my home. As such, it is almost entirely ignored by nearly everyone in my family even as taught, well-trained baritones roll out and lay the latest news of wildfires, killer cats, and Paris Hilton all over the rug by the coffee table. All the various enticing product ads seem to slither into our ears, bounce thwarted off our subconscious, and out the other side. The children, whose excited entreaties over the colorful kinetic wonders they see are in turn thwarted by their parents with measured tones of de-hypnosis and back they go to their reading or coloring or antagonizing the cat. “You wouldn’t do that if you knew what cats were up to lately…”. They are blissfully oblivious of the rambling picture-box once more.

Every once in a while I hold my finger up to that gregarious radioactive wind beckoning from the corner… and I can feel a certain ‘current’. Now who hasn’t felt those soft, almost indiscernible breezes of intent issuing from all around them? We all do.

But there is a very definite wind, with a very definite direction, blowing all of us now.

When we see their figured faces, our candidates on the screen, they are invariably adorned with cosmetic commentary from careful commentators. The commentators are artists in the makeup of makeup. They employ subtle tease to train the eyes, ears, and minds to see, hear, and think what is wanted by wont by the wanters. They play masking games when they tape and paint all the right phrases in all the right places so we get the picture we don’t really see.

What do they say?

They say different things, but they say them the same. They denigrate our candidates… the ones with a shot at the nomination that is. They serve up a pu-pu plate of balanced fare with equal helpings of derision and praise. But like single-serving portions, the spice is right for only one dish.

When we hear, “What’s great about this candidate?” The wind picks up and forms little eddies around the words; “Well, this candidate has youth and energy” (inexperience)

“Their campaign is trying new things” (uncertainty)

“They’ve been proven successful in the private sector” (indulgent)

“They’re passionate” (prejudiced)

-And we find ourselves thinking, “Gosh… I’d really love to see that fresh, passionate person in office…*But*…”

But you don’t hear the ‘but’. Not out loud in your mind… but whispered in your mind’s mind. We know it’s there. Sometimes it ‘buts’ out and butts around where it’s not attached to our pseudo-certainty deep in our thoughts… but it’s still there.

When we hear, “What are this candidate’s drawbacks?” The powder-puffer pulls out an ugly rouge; “Well, the people see this campaign as a juggernaut.”

“Unstoppable” (strong)

“Methodical” (meticulous)

“Cold” (objective)

“Ugh… I don’t trust someone who’s not like me… *But*”

But this ‘but’ is a ‘but’ of a different color. This is the but that knows you don’t want to be President, or have anyone like you be President because you know you’re too ‘passionate’ or ‘uncertain’ or ‘can’t play ball’. But that’s another ‘but’ altogether.

So you know who you want to vote for, but you know who you should (are supposed to) vote for.

And make no mistake… the MSM has told many of us who that will be. And what will be will be.

No ‘buts’ about it.

:bounce: Or we can get busy living or get busy dying