NYT: Two Senators Call for New Leader in Iraq [Levin, Warner]

BuyingThyme

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Mon Aug-20-07 09:51 PM
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NYT: Two Senators Call for New Leader in Iraq [Levin, Warner]

Two Senators Call for New Leader in Iraq

WASHINGTON, Aug. 20 � The chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, after completing a two-day tour of Iraq, said Monday that the government of Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki should be voted from office because it has proved incapable of reaching the political compromises required to end violence there.

The Democratic chairman, Senator Carl Levin of Michigan, and the committee�s ranking Republican, Senator John W. Warner of Virginia, who traveled to Iraq together, issued a joint statement that was only slightly more temperate than Mr. Levin�s remarks. They warned that in the view of politicians in Washington, and of the American people, �time has run out� on attempts to forge a political consensus in Baghdad.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/21/washington/21cong.html

No democracy for you!

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Kagemusha

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Mon Aug-20-07 09:53 PM
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1. So if the Iraq parliament votes out Iraq's prime minister, that's undemocratic.

I don't understand, and I don't think I ever will.

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BuyingThyme

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Mon Aug-20-07 09:56 PM
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3. No, you see, they're supposed to choose their own leaders.

Edited on Mon Aug-20-07 10:06 PM by BuyingThyme

That's how democracy works.

This thing where old, white, American men choose the leaders, or simply kill the ones they don't like, is something else altogether (not democracy). It's complicated, but that's the gist of it.

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Kagemusha

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Mon Aug-20-07 10:00 PM
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5. Is Levin specifying who he wants Maliki replaced with?

Edited on Mon Aug-20-07 10:02 PM by Kagemusha

Is he dispatching assassins to slay Maliki? Is he giving orders to the US military to have Maliki overthrown?

No?

Then he's asking "them" to choose a different leader. Asking.

And somehow it's tyranny.

Edit: And by the way, I think that Levin's call is a) useless, b) inappropriate. But you (and others) are reading it as things it's not, and I don't agree with that.

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BuyingThyme

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Mon Aug-20-07 10:03 PM
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6. You don't seem to understand the situation.

You see, this country they're talking about, the one in the article, is currently occupied by the government for which these two gentlemen speak (Levin, Warner).

Tyranny? No. Something much worse.

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Kagemusha

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Mon Aug-20-07 10:13 PM
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7. Have you read the constitution? The President is the "Commander in Chief".

That is, the President actually gives the orders to the actual, real military. And Senators... don't.

So I don't know with what military you think that Levin and Warner are threatening regime change in Iraq with. It sure as hell isn't America's.

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BuyingThyme

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Mon Aug-20-07 10:27 PM
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9. Well, you're mistaken. It is America's.

You see, Levin and Warner are silly little cowards. Instead of saying Bush has failed in Iraq, thus exposing themselves to false troop denigration arguments, they choose to blame the people of Iraq for what Bush has done to them. They choose to blame the people of Iraq for their lack of clean water, safe schools, adequate health services. They choose to blame the people of Iraq for their government's role in murdering one million innocent people.

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Kagemusha

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Mon Aug-20-07 10:29 PM
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10. And that has not one thing to do with the claim you made about threats.

I can agree with everything else you said - frankly, I *DO* agree with everything else you said - but that in no way proves that they're threatening to use America's military to overthrow the Maliki government. I don't know why you think that's necessary for your argument; it's strong enough on its own.

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BuyingThyme

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Mon Aug-20-07 10:33 PM
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12. I didn't actually say that.

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BlackHawk706867

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Mon Aug-20-07 09:54 PM
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2. Well now that's a bunch of bullshit for sure.... How the hell does this fly...

Edited on Mon Aug-20-07 09:56 PM by BlackHawk706867

as a democratically elected Govt. when we have Congress Critters in the US asking to change the elected official's? It's not bad enough that a Republican is calling for this, but we also have a Democrat involved... Duhhhhh This is just pure BS...

ww

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Robbien

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Mon Aug-20-07 10:00 PM
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4. The real leader of Iraq is the puppetmaster Cheney himself

Too bad these clueless Senators do not mean him.

These senators calling for a change in leadership of a sovereign country is so wrong in so many ways.

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saigon68

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Mon Aug-20-07 10:31 PM
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11. Soon another Puppet will bite the dust

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grytpype

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Mon Aug-20-07 10:15 PM
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8. How are they going to replace Maliki? And with who?

How is it going to be any better?

Anyone else remember how long it took to set up the Maliki government? It was the best we could do!

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Solly Mack

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Mon Aug-20-07 10:45 PM
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13. We don't have the votes

LMAO...I slay me..I swear, if I was in the Iraqi parliament, that's exactly the retort I'd give

Keep pretending, America

With great hypocrisy, go ahead and blame the Iraqis...pretend it isn't the Bush government that needs to be removed from power...keep pretending it wasn't the American government that brought ALL of this to Iraq and to America

Keep pushing that blame off on anyone and everyone but where it so rightfully belongs...

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