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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 11:00 PM
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Thee was cross border shelling into Kurdistan -
Since Thursday -


Any reports of anything further??

Joe
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 11:04 PM
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1. Did you see this?
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 11:40 PM
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4. I saw it.
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ruiner4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 11:12 PM
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2. Yay!!!! You came back!!!!
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 11:35 PM
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3. I don't know about that - I am trying to figure this out -
Cause I don't think I am that liberal - but I am not that independent - I just cannot accept a candidate being shoved down my throat!!!

It probably doesn't matter anyway -

That shelling seems concentrated in areas that mean nothing - unless you intend to follow thru ( thirty mile swath thru farmland - what the hell is that??)- and that is true from the east and equally true from the north. And Turkey at least has sp ops over there now -

And those armies are massing on that border.

You know in the end - this can really all end in a territorial fight over tribal land disputes that date back 1500 years - you know that??? Well before Islam.

This is absolutely the most seriously fucked up thing I have ever seen this country even touching with a ten foot pole at this point.

And those kids are dead in the middle.

Joe









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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-20-07 11:45 PM
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5. Well Joe...
...we popped the cap off some ancient issues when we knocked Saddam off, as you well know.

I don't believe the military will allow it's army to be lost over there. I do believe that if push comes to shove they will pull their troops back, and the administration be damned. I am sure they have made contingency plans for it already, covering just about every scenario imagineable (the military, I mean). This isn't like Corregidor...

Welcome back...speak your mind...people who don't like it don't have to listen. You are a citizen of this community as much as anyone else.

End of transmission.
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:07 AM
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6. Well I sure hope you are right.
I think it was clearly stupid to knock off Saddam -he was a natural ally - no better or worse than Stalin. I still think - even today - we better deal with those bastard that did NYC - I do.

And you have a lot more faith in those commanders than I do right now.

I think they are incompetent.

The Phillipines - in 1942 - it was really a matter of logistics - there was no way in hell we could have supported that army in aftermath of that surprise attack.

This one - They ordered it- they controlled it -

Oh no - they have no excuse.

They were made to look a lot better by their Juniors then they had any right to.

I want them to resign - now.

You know in the civil war it was going pretty bad for our cavalry in 1863. That is how Custer got his one star -straight from Captain to Brigader -

It is funny - we think of him because of Little Big Horn -

But he was a very good cavalry commander in the war - really was.

These guys ain't that good - those Jrs are - I see no reason not to do as Sheridan did once.

Dump them.

It is probably too late to avoid this one - but not for the next one.

At least we can get it right. That would be something.

Joe







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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:27 AM
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7. Well Joe, what I believe is this...
I firmly believe that the officers on the ground in Iraq will have more loyalty to their soldiers than to the incompetants stateside if push comes to shove.

I sincerely believe they will contravene orders rather than lose an army. Seriously, I believe that. I think the bond between officers and men that has developed form being in-country so often will prove stronger than blind orders-following.
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 01:02 AM
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8. I used to think so - god I'd like to believe it too.
I have a good reason to believe it has changed now -

You know what I do? - I have degenerated to the level of writting letters to rear command that I know will stick in their 201 files. You know what I am saying??

I want them out - and I have a pretty good idea how to do it - and I do that. Every chance I get.

It is true my kid is just a little pawn over there -he is - but he is mine. A good little soldier boy that has no idea the games I am playing here. And they are games.

My dad was a Major - dually commissioned in the army and air force - truth is he taught me (if he knew it or not - just how to screw somebody that shouldn't be handling kids - he really did) you know I watched him do a captain at Ord - and I mean do him. Very enlightening and I was just a kid.

And he was a great fighter pilot - All that.

But my grand uncles - that was different. They were commanders in third army and whatever - way back when.

Uncle J - he was a general and uncle l he was a rear admiral.

I can absolutely light somebodys 201 file up

Really, Totally -

And you have no idea how much I want to believe those guys. I don't like this thing - but it is like - who you gonna believe - them or your lieing eyes at this point - you know?

Joe

And I never went into why I think they are incompetent either.










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sanskritwarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 02:06 AM
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9. And here we go again
Iran and Turkey have shelled Kurdistan for a number of years now, the Iranians latest problem is the Kurds more than likely shot down an Iranian heli inside Iran, the shelling is retalitory, just like last time and the time before and the time before that........

As for the Turks again if they want to have their Army stranded and crippled inside Kurdistan while the Kurds slice it to pieces, more power to them, but the Turkish military doesn't want to invade right now, they are way too busy giving Gul a hard time as he attempts to reattain the leadership role in Turkey, the Turkish military is secular and ethnically integrated with Kurds serving in it, they want no war with Kurdistan (in Iraq)

Again this is not news over there, this is a synchronized dance where all the dancers know all the moves..........It's not reported because the Western media rightfully understands this is Middle Eastern Kabuki Theater...........But rant away Joe.........
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