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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:14 AM
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82nd Airborne Soldiers Come Under Fire From MSNBC's Tucker
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/21/tucker-carlson-82nd-airborne

82nd Airborne Soldiers Come Under Fire From MSNBC’s Fucker Tucker

On MSNBC’s Tucker yesterday, host Tucker Carlson attempted to refute a recent New York Times op-ed, entitled “The War As We Saw It,” authored by members of the 82nd Airborne Division finishing up a 15 month deployment to Iraq. They wrote that “recent press coverage” of Iraq has “neglected the mounting civil, political and social unrest we see every day.”

Speaking with retired Col. Jack Jacobs, Carlson said he was “a little bit uncomfortable with” the op-ed because he says “weighing in on a political question such as this” may “squander the awesome moral authority that these guys have.” “I think there is some detriment to the moral authority,” agreed Jacobs.

While saying he “instinctively” respects “people who are serving in a war zone,” Carlson went on to attack the op-ed, saying that he also “instinctively distrust(s)” some of the assertions made by the soldiers, such as their argument that “a vast majority of Iraqis feel increasingly insecure and view us as an occupation force.”

Watch it:

VIDEO AT LINK

While Carlson claims to have respect for people serving in a war zone, he appears to have no hesitations in calling out the credibility of soldiers when they present a viewpoint that doesn’t confirm his own. On MSNBC’s Countdown last night, Paul Rieckhoff — executive director of the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA) — said soldiers are the “subject matter experts” when it comes to Iraq. “That’s why this op-ed is so important,” he explained. He added:

The soldiers who wrote this piece just completed a 15-month tour. One of them was actually shot in the head before this piece was published, and he’s recovering in the U.S. now. These guys know what they are talking about and they present a very nuanced understanding of the battlefield that the politicians and the policy wonks haven’t been able to provide.

Additionally, Carlson’s feigned skepticism of the soldier’s assertions about Iraqi views is contradicted by actual studies of Iraqi public opinion. A national survey of Iraq from June 2007 found an “ebbing hope in a landscape of loss“:

– 39 percent of Iraqis said they feel their lives are “going well,” compared to 71 percent in November 2005.”

– 26 percent of Iraqis said they feel “very safe” in their neighborhoods, compared to 63 percent in November 2005.

– 82 percent of Iraqis said they “lack confidence” in coalition forces.

– 69 percent of Iraqis said coalition forces make “the security situation worse.”

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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:17 AM
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1. Wait a minute
MSNBC can have people on their shows praising the war ( a lie). Praising the progress (a lie), but if someone in the military who was there in Iraq and fighting this war can't tell what is going on because it is immoral...damn what will they think of next. How about condemning the war bashes our religious beliefs because God loves war, after all according to bush the anointed one, God told him to attack Iraq.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:18 AM
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2. Wow, tucker carlson, military expert and strategist
Questioning the integrity of those who have been there and done that. Well tucky, join the army go to Iraq for 18 months and write your own report. But that is so un conservative chickenhawk isn't it.

Yeah, conservative "instinctively" support those they put in harms way! What a hoot. They also "instinctively" avoid doing anything for our country.

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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:19 AM
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3. Fucker goes after the 82nd?!?
:rofl: Not smart, guy. Not smart .... at all.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:19 AM
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4. The Assault on Reason
Carlson has absolutely no qualifications to question what these guys say, and there is no excuse for him having airtime.

All he has going for him is his "opinion" that the administration is correct when it says up is down, black is white.

That he has the audacity to assert he has any better view of the "big picture" than do these guys would immediately qualify him for a padded cell in any semblance of a real world. But here behind the looking glass he can say this and it is publicized as if it had any merit whatsoever.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:21 AM
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5. I am continually amazed
that little shit draws a regular mega paycheck and I struggle to stay employed as a contractor for big business. :eyes:
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:22 AM
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6. Tucker needs to shut up and support the troops.
That's the American way!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:23 AM
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7. Spell check
There is a T that needs to be replaced with an F in your subject line
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:24 AM
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8. Tucker Carlson in a word.
ASSHOLE.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:28 AM
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9. Everytime I read a post about this POS
I'm amazed that he is still on the air.
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:31 AM
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10. Tucker Carlson is just plain full of shit.
Edited on Tue Aug-21-07 10:31 AM by Jim__
He never fails to tell us he doesn't support the war, then claims that the only valid way forward is the way bush is going.

He also tells us he's not a republican. Right.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:32 AM
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11. I have a friend in the 82nd in Iraq ...
Edited on Tue Aug-21-07 10:35 AM by Botany
.... the troop know that they a stuck in an unwinnable civil war.

Tucker should keep his mouth shut.



My friend's squad would tear Tucker a new ass.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 02:04 PM
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19. what a candidate for a photoshop exercise! n/t
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:33 AM
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12. I'm sure their "awesome moral authority" would be intact if it were used to "weigh in" FOR the war.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:44 AM
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13. and what uniform did little fucker tucker wear in Iraq???????????
am i the only one sick and damn tired of that little pissant saying anything about Iraq..when his yellow bellied lilly livered ass sits in a tv studio???????????

fuck that little piece of shit!

fly

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Boo Boo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:47 AM
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14. What good is all this moral authority if you can't use it? And, furthermore...
what the hell is he talking about anyway?

:shrug:
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 11:03 AM
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16. Their "moral authority" to be a smart, uniformed backdrop to Bush's next speech pimping the war.
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Rob H. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 11:01 AM
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15. "...he also “instinctively distrust(s)” some of the assertions made by the soldiers..."
Yeah, 'cause it's not as if those guys were actually there or anything. :sarcasm:

What a tool.
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GoldenOldie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 11:06 AM
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17. Only things Tucker respects, is his purse and his personal comforts
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:01 PM
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18. Pretty ineffectual criticisms.
Tucker Carlson is my favorite conservative. He's not a good propagandist and is all over the place.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 02:21 PM
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20. This is what I'm reminded of from my days in the 82nd.
Edited on Tue Aug-21-07 02:23 PM by trumad


Yes--- there were times when we jumped with this much gear. It was brutal and not for the faint-hearted. Imagine Tucker doing this. LOL
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appal_jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 02:50 PM
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21. wow! are you guys standing with all that???
That looks like a hell of a load to just stand there with! Before reading your text, I had assumed that you were sitting amongst (or maybe standing behind) a big pile of gear. And y'all jumped out of PLANES with all that?!? That is HUGH!!1!1!

I would be very amused to see *ucker strap all that on and jump. But I think his oh-so-beautiful-and-enlightened mind means that he would not need a parachute.The splat of vulture food he leaves on the desert ground would be his finest contribution to the earth in his whole life.

-app

PS - trumad, you have my respect and gratitude for your service
:patriot: :yourock:
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 02:52 PM
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23. Plus--- strap on your M-16---and in my case a Dragon Anti-Tank missle...
They had to carry my ass to the C-130.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 02:52 PM
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22. Tucker "I almost shit myself on TV while in Iraq" Carlson is going to question them?
ever see footage of that dipshit while he was "live" in Iraq? In some broadcasts...he looked scared out of his mind...and he is going to lecture them on what they are reporting?

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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 02:58 PM
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24. Translation: our soldiers only have awesome moral authority until they use it"
Then they are just clueless grunts.

Gotcha Tucker, gotcha Jack. Gotcha loud and clear.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 03:28 PM
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25. .
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PsN2Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 03:56 PM
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26. I'd pay money to watch that smarmy pissant
stand there in his loafers and tell this to the face of one of those troops standing there in their jump boots. They'd probably just have to knock his dick in the dirt.
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