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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:54 AM
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Bush Threatens "Corrective Action" Against Families Who Receive CHIP (David Sirota)
Bush Threatens "Corrective Action" Against Families Who Receive CHIP
by davidsirota
Tue Aug 21, 2007

By now, everyone has probably read the New York Times story

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/20/washington/21cnd-health.html about the Bush administration's move to "make it much more difficult for New York, California and others to extend coverage to children in middle-income families." But as someone who has done extensive work in state politics and who serves on the board of the Progressive States Network (which is aggressively fighting to expand health care in America's states), I have to say that two nuggets really stick out to me.

The first is this passage:

If a state wants to set its income limit above 250 percent of the poverty level ($51,625 for a family of four), Mr. Smith said, 'the state must establish a minimum of a one-year period of uninsurance for individuals' before they can receive public coverage."


So basically, the pro-devolution and pro-"states rights" Republican Party is now on record saying that if a state legislature wants to extend coverage to a family of four making over $51,625, the legislature must insist that the family go without health insurance for a year. Wonderful.

The other nugget is this:

"In his letter, Mr. Smith said the new standards would apply to states that previously received federal approval to cover children with family incomes exceeding 250 percent of the poverty level. Such states should amend their state plans to meet federal expectations within 12 months, or the Bush administration 'may pursue corrective action,' Mr. Smith said.


This is threatening, deliberately intimidating Big Brother-style language. The federal government "may pursue corrective action?" Against who? In states that expand their CHIP programs, are federal agents going to swarm in and revoke publicly subsidized health insurance from working-class families and force those families to retroactively pay back the aid they received? Is that "corrective action?" If not, what is? I'm not even joking around here - these are very legitimate questions that we have to ask.

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more at:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/8/21/112523/749
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 10:57 AM
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1. At the very least, it is an attempt to prevent people from even trying to get help
Edited on Tue Aug-21-07 10:57 AM by havocmom
and prevent states from trying to give help.

Winning Through Intimidation is the one play-book of the cheney/bush American Oligarchy
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 11:15 AM
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4. Actually they have three playbooks:
Winning Through Intimidation
1984
Leviticus (they are holding this in reserve until they have consolidated their power sufficiently)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 11:07 AM
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2. And why the fuck
do they even care? :wtf: business is it of their's?
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 11:11 AM
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3. First, Shrub should stay the hell out of the State's business, but
why would a family making $51,625 not already have health insurance? Why would they even need CHIP?
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 11:16 AM
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5. $51,625/yr Is NOT Much For A Family To Live On
Edited on Tue Aug-21-07 11:17 AM by Beetwasher
Why would they NOT have health insurance? Maybe they're employers don't offer it and they can't afford it on their own.

Even w/ only one kid that yearly income is pretty minimal and would be quite tough to live on.
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jhain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 11:37 AM
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7. self employed here
that is about my net annually.
Insurance premiums are 800 bucks a month. Suffice it to say- there have been plenty of times I could not afford an office visit co-pay because the premium was due.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 11:53 AM
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10. Because They Want That Family to Turn Half of it Over to the Insurance Companies
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 11:58 AM
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11. ....
Rent/Morgage 800.00 month
Food 600.00 month
Taxes 600.00 month
Car/Insurance 300.00 month


Sub Total 2,300.00 month

and on and on and on

$51,625.00 after taxes equals maybe 3,200 a month.

So where is the money to pay for health insurance?



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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:41 PM
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15. The elitist bulies
Witholding funds from the states do not ,never had, to feel the slightest pinch on their lives financially. They are BORN into wealth and live in a different reality which is not real at all..They are INSULATED from reality by money.Insulated from having to care by psychopathy..

http://www.cix.co.uk/~klockstone/spath.htm




Nancy Levant
August 21, 2007
NewsWithViews.com

With all the “conspiracy” theories regarding the pyramid on the back of the dollar bill, that symbol is actually the perfect mascot for history’s aristocracy and elites. The pyramid’s apex, divided from the base and hovering above it, with the all-seeing eye as its emblem - all-knowing via databases and panoptical technologies - the “apex” believe they should rule over all life. They perceive themselves as so superior to 99% of mankind that their needs, desires, and whims come above and beyond all living things on Earth.

They believe that wealth = superior intelligence and pecking order. They believe in enforced power, elite bloodlines, bloodshed, and enslavements of any kind. Historically, they are interesting people because their agendas have been quite few. Supporting and maintaining wealth is key to who they have been, who they are, and why they do what they do. They have been so deranged by senses of superiority that their greatest fears are of the commoner. As their superiority has deadened their souls to Godliness, any and all crime becomes subservient to their desires. Many, if not most (and throughout all written history), become sociopaths without consciences to curb their desires and missions.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Levant/nancy103.htm
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 09:26 PM
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19. rent here for a two bedroom place would be $1500 to $2500 a month.
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RayOfHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 01:22 PM
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17. Because that isn't that much money?
I know many get by on less, but we are a family of 4 getting by on just under $50,000 per year. It is tough. To insure all 4 of us through my husbands employer is about $550/month. The kids and I are self insured on a lesser plan through Anthem, in order to save money.

Throw in some student loans, other health care costs, rent/mortgage, utilities, maybe a car payment, possible daycare costs, gas, groceries--it doesn't go far, especially with the cost of EVERYTHING going up.
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 11:29 AM
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6. $51,625 or $129,062.50?
"If a state wants to set its limit above 250 percent of the poverty level ($51,625 for a family of four)..."

Is that $51,625 the poverty level, or 250% of the poverty level? If $51,625 is the poverty level for a family of four, then the income limit stated in the article should be $129,062.50. I have some trouble understanding how a family making over $129,062.50 should qualify for state assistance in providing health insurance for their kids.

So, which is it? This is an article that could've used an editor.

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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 11:41 AM
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8. The article seemed clear to me
$51,625 is 250% of the FPL for a family of four.

CHIP should be available to all kids, with a sliding premium scale for high income families.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 11:48 AM
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9. They apparently used the 2007 guidelines.
2007 HHS Poverty Guidelines
Persons
in Family or Household 48 Contiguous
States and D.C. Alaska Hawaii
1 $10,210 $12,770 $11,750
2 13,690 17,120 15,750
3 17,170 21,470 19,750
4 20,650 25,820 23,750
5 24,130 30,170 27,750
6 27,610 34,520 31,750
7 31,090 38,870 35,750
8 34,570 43,220 39,750
For each additional
person, add 3,480 4,350 4,000

http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/07poverty.shtml

It's much easier to read at the link, but the poverty level for a family of 4 is $20,650 X 250% = $51,625.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 11:59 AM
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12. Off to greatest page
Edited on Tue Aug-21-07 12:15 PM by undergroundpanther
This vindictive anti working class and anti poverty crap is a MAINSTAY of the core republican ideology. Keep the workers over a barrel and barely able to tread water financially so they will sell their labor as cheap as possible and be desperate enough to work in ANY conditions. Basically it is financially ABUSIVE to do this to people.Republicans are ABUSERS,they abuse workers by forcing them to suffer by cutting benefits so they will become poor because republicans believe in orders and classes(a monetary caste system) and they want themselves only on top..

Has the narcissism of the market destroyed our sense of collective identity? Psychiatrist Trevor Turner argues that a preoccupation with self has spawned a new syndrome: malignant self-actualization.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0JQP/is_2003_April/ai_100462811

Unlike the rest of us, Bush doesn't have to worry about how he's going to pay for his health care. He doesn't have to haggle with greedy HMOs. He doesn't have to spend sleepless nights, worrying about what will happen if he or a member of his family has a catastrophic health-care crisis. He doesn't have to wait in line to get treatment.
In fact, Bush doesn't even need to lift a finger to see a doctor. All he's got to do is give the word, and a world-class physician will come to see him in the White House, any time he wants, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.

In other words, Bush is living in a different universe than the rest of us.

http://www.beggarscanbechoosers.com/labels/GOP%20hypocrisy.html

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0726-11.htm

Is privatized corporate hmo health care revenge for the liberation from domination young people sought in the 60's? Look at the dates things began to unravel..suspicious to me.


It is our hypothesis, backed by the work of Andrew Lobaczewski and our own research, that the people in power on our planet have plans to kill off a large portion of the world's population. The psychopaths, those human-looking predators without conscience, have no love for the rest of humanity. It is a life and death struggle between them and us because they know that if the true nature of their existence as humanity's natural predator ever come to light, they would lose everything. Every once in awhile, their real aims slip through the filters and appear in the media.

http://ponerology.blogspot.com/2006/09/pathocrat-speaks-his-mind.html
No shit..kill people,How else could these insane elitist policies on health care make sense otherwise?
http://sas.org/tcs/weeklyIssues_2006/2006-04-07/feature1p/
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 11:59 AM
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13. Wouldn't "corrective action" be withholding federal funds?
Is there some other component to this?
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:25 PM
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14. Yes
Edited on Tue Aug-21-07 12:30 PM by undergroundpanther
We have 'socialized'psychopaths running the government through corporate fiefdoms,who seek to rob, abuse, kill, lie,privatize, and pillage this nation's wealth, exploit and destroy people,and do this everywhere else they can get away with it until they own the world.They have a policy of "Full spectrum domination" what do you think that means?
States are made of people and the people who are scared and suffering can't fight same with the blackmailed and unethical,these people will do what the bully government says if the bully government has the power to withhold funds that would ease their suffering and save face of the corrupted who are closer and less insulated from the peoples wrath than say bush is. Withholding funds is a threat and a bribe in this case.No different than any schoolyard bully or abuser spouse would do in a violent home the abuser thinks that right to rule and be the gatekeeper of whom gets what help is a evilness inside some well off powerful political people that is used to abusing people who are not psychopathic , and I HATE it.

Withholding funds in this manner is no different than an asshole spouse controlling the bank accounts of the whole family .One effects of this withholding is so the battered spouse cannot escape the abusive spouses control so easy. This is what is going on described by the OP.It's financial abuse by the state to the people plain and simple. Republican policies are financially abusive to middle class,working class and poor people.
And it is DELIBERATE. Because conservatives believe in orders and classes and divine right of kings.They word it differently but it is the same old bully boy class-ism and elitism all over again.

And threats such as this is abuse of power.And it is wrong and evil.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:41 PM
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16. What this could mean to a child is devastating. Born with a chronic
illness and forced to wait for one year for medical care could mean death and it could also mean higher costs when the child is finally treated. As usual *ss is an idiot.
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The Blue Flower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 01:36 PM
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18. Eugenics by any other name
Is still eugenics. Just one more social experiment to thin the herd.
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