Are men capable of having sex with women without objectifying them?

And if they are, should this be a goal, i.e. a relationship, sexual and otherwise, with all objectification removed?

personal experience as proof, kpete

just kidding! Yes, but it is tough.

:crazy:

quit blathering to us and talk to whomever you're screwing

harumph!

:spray:

then it's just a function of nature.

:evilgrin:

should be fun and rewarding for all involved.

Are you asking if men can have sex with women without treating them like a dog? Absolutely.

I think this question frequently comes from someone who subconsciously views sex itself as demeaning to women.

Women "objectify" men, and men "objectify" women. Recent research has shown that men long for satisfying and meaningful relationships more than the popular perception and that women want pure sex more than the popular perception (which is not to say it is equal, as it is not per the theories of evolutionary psychology that have shown very good predictive power).

Ask what is really being asked.

Men is an idea, a category. Categories cannot have sex!

I really can't accept the notion of being a 'type' ... no matter whether others CHOOSE to regard themselves that way.

where such a question is even asked than anything else!

:popcorn:

(I think it's a good question, FWIW)

Tee hee :P

If she's hot, probably not.


What's the difference between a dog and a fox?

About a twelve pack.

If I get a male friend to lift and move heavy things for me, am I objectifying him?

Unless you are only friends with him so that you can get him to lift and move heavy things for you. Then, yes, you don't really relate to him as a person, only as a object to move and lift heavy things.

I'm not sure why the OP posted what he did, but to me, that is what objectification means. In the context of men having sex with a woman, it means that they really don't care if the woman feels pleasure or not, they only relate to that person as an object of their own pleasure (for what it's worth, women do this too, but my response is aimed at what the OP posted). At least that's what it means to me.

DISCLAIMER: This is only my opinion.

In my experience, most men do care about the woman's pleasure during a one-night stand, because it affects their sense of manliness, but that could be considered objectification as well.

So my answers to the OP would be yes (men are capable of noncasual sex) and no (don't tell adult human beings how to run their lives).

That it could be considered objectification as well when they do worry about a woman's pleasure because it makes them feel more like a man. That's what one person pointed out below; objectification mean different things to different people.

I didn't really get what his/her point was in the first place. I answered further down as if he/she was asking if that was the goal for me. I've been through two relationships where the men acted like I was a blow up doll. My husband doesn't do that, because he cares about me as a person. I'm not going into it too much more than that, but to me, objectification was the way the other two treated me.

I'm tired. I think I'm just going to stay off all these threads from now on. I'm not immune to anger (not at you) either, and it's all becoming counterproductive, anyway.

While it's nice to admire body parts, there should be a connection to the soul as well.

Should they not be attracted and simply have intercourse as a biological function?

Your post is extremely confusing.

And yes, that should be the goal. But we can't talk about this without being accused of wanting to censor something. :sarcasm:

Or I'll fuck THEM.

:evilgrin:

:rofl:

and...and you have no problem getting it up??? :evilgrin:

:rofl:

:rofl:

we used to joke about having a date with Fistina.

Now there was one popular girl!

Or something. :eyes:

(God, what a ridiculous question.)

All men are filthy, sexist pigs who are constantly searching for nothing more than a semen receptacle.


I thought you knew that.

I'm just not wired that way, for some reason. (In part, that's probably why celibacy is one of my 'hobbies.') Unless it's mutual - and with mutual ardor, respect, and passion - it just don't happen. I've NEVER been a 'slam, bam, thank-you-mam' person ... and I enjoy all the stages of lovemaking. So, I tend to rail at the stereotype ... and have no insecurity regading my masculinity, either.

:shrug:
(I also reject the notion that I'm some kind of 'exception' - but others can speak for themselves. I reject the notion that a man can speak for all men - or that a woman can speak for all women. I regard that as a degree of hubris coupled with fallacious categorization. I think we're all individuals, not 'types.')

Oh, wait, sorry. Men are the bad ones. I forgot for a minute. I'd better go brush up on my Dworkin readings.

Wait, I think that may actually be a chauvinistic remark... I take that back. This seems like a lose-lose situation. I'm shutting up.

:rofl:

(Talk about objectification!)

Nice hit and run post ya got there, by the way.

You other brothers can't deny
That when a girl walks in with an itty bitty waist
And a round thing in your face
You get sprung, wanna pull out your tough
'Cause you notice that butt was stuffed
Deep in the jeans she's wearing
I'm hooked and I can't stop staring
Oh baby, I wanna get wit'cha
And take your picture
My homeboys tried to warn me
But with that butt you got makes me feel so horny
Ooh, Rump-o'-smooth-skin
You say you wanna get in my Benz?
Well, use me, use me
'Cause you ain't that average groupy
I've seen them dancin'
The hell with romancin'
She's sweat, wet,
Got it goin' like a turbo 'Vette
I'm tired of magazines
Sayin' flat butts are the thing
Take the average black man and ask him that
She gotta pack much back
So, fellas! (Yeah!) Fellas! (Yeah!)
Has your girlfriend got the butt? (Hell yeah!)
Tell 'em to shake it! (Shake it!) Shake it! (Shake it!)
Shake that healthy butt!
Baby got back!

HAAAAAA HAHA HAH AH HAAAHAAAAAAAA!!!!

That post is about as useless as this flamebait is.

What is with "every man on earth, NO MATTER WHAT, is a pig deep down" threads lately? Did I miss an assignment somewhere along the way?

I was like, good gracious ass is bodacious
Uh, flirtatcious, tryin to show patience
Lookin for the right time to shoot my steam (you know)
Waitin for the right time to flash them keys
Then um I'm leavin, please believin
Oh, Me and the rest of my heathens
Check it, got it locked at the top of the four seasons
Penthouse, roof top, birds are feedin
No deceivin, nothin up my sleeve and, no teasin
I need you to get up up on the dance floor
Give that man what he askin for (oh)
Cuz I feel like bustin loose and I feel like touchin you (ah, ah)
And cant nobody stop the juice so baby tell me whats the use


(I said)
Its gettin hot in here (so hot)
So take off all your clothes


I am gettin So hot, I wanna take my clothes off

Oh

Let it hang all out

Why you at the bar if you aint poppin the bottles
What good is all the fame if you aint fuckin the models
I see you drivin, sportscar, aint hittin the throttle
And I be down, and do a hundred, top down and goggles
Get off the freeway, exit 106 and parked it
Ash tray, think its time to spark it,
Gucci collar for dollar, got out and walked it
I spit game cuz baby I cant talk it
Warm, sweatin its hot up in this joint
VOKAL tanktop, on at this point
Your with a winner so baby you cant loose
I got secrets cant leave Cancun
So take it off like your home alone
You know dance in front your mirror while your on the phone
Checkin your reflection and tellin your best friend,
like "girl I think my butt gettin big"



(nelly let it hang all out)
Mix a little bit a ah, ah
With a little bit a ah, ah
(nelly let it just fall out)
Give a little bit a ah, ah
With a little bit a ah, ah
(nelly let it hang all out)
With a little bit a ah, ah
And a sprinkle a that ah, ah
(nelly let it just fall out)
I like it when ya ah, ah
Girl, Baby make it ah, ah

Stop pacin, time wastin
I gotta a friend with a fold in the basement (What?)
I'm just kiddin like Jason (Oh)
Unless you gon' do it
Extra, extra eh, spread the news (check it)
Nelly took a trip from the Lou to Neptunes
Came back with somethin thicker than fittin in sasoons
Say she like to think about cuttin in restrooms


(nelly let it hang all out)
Mix a little bit of ah, ah
With a little bit of ah, ah
(nelly let it just fall all out)
Give a little bit of ah, ah
With a little bit of ah, ah
(nelly let it hang all out)
With a little bit of ah, ah
And a sprinkle of that ah, ah
(nelly let it just fall allout)
I like it when ya ah, ah
Girl, Baby make it ah, ah
Oh

:rofl:

:rofl:

A big fat LOCK! :dilemma:


















* - Posting While Topless . . .

LOL

:rofl:

Sure beats Cleveland booty.

NO MATTER WHAT, is a pig deep down" threads?"

Check out the feminist forum sometime. This is just the rated G version of those threads.

'Cause then it's kind of hard to tell one butt from the next.

being attracted to particular attributes of a partner is
at it's base objectifying.
The roots of what physical qualities a society chooses to
decide what is attractive or not, is objective-ism.
I guess the problem is if this is the only criteria
a person uses to see worth in a person.

All of them. Really.

Then we can point out how many holes there are in those definitions, etc.

I'm not trying to be facetious (well, much, anyway). But it's the only way to stop "talking past each other" on these subjects.

I've been enjoying sex for many years, though and I don't think I can put enough thought into it now to stop enjoying it.

Am I really supposed to THINK about it? YIKES!

If I am, I'm pretty certain I will manage to stop enjoying it... :shrug:

No thanks!

It's called being human.

Once I place an object in the women, should the object then be removed...??? :shrug:...

...only if she wanted it there in the first place, and only if and when she tells me she's done...??

What the fuck?

...or are your comprehension skills a little off :sarcasm: :rofl: :sarcasm: :wtf: :shrug: :sarcasm:

I mean, if she's got a fine frame, a J-Lo booty and some Salma Hayek knockers, Mandy Moore face and some Marilyn Monroe legs, I can hit it all nite long without objectifying her at all...:evilgrin:

There's no easy answer to this question.

Yes, men are mentally and physically *capable* of this.

It is, however, unlikely that any man is able to do this if he is raised in a patriarchal culture that has reminded him every minute of every day of his life that he has the privilege and women are just here for his pleasure and use.

So, in the end, most of the time, it probably won't happen.

It's all linguistic gymnastics. One cannot really tell what the term even means and not all people would agree with the definition anyway. We all are guilty of rigid thinking sometimes, of having preconceived notions or whatever. But this idea is so silly -to say that "objectification" is the boogeyman behind all gender disputes.

Look, you are never going to get men(or women either) to stop thinking about body parts that they like; tits, asses, biceps, etc. People LIKE them. They may also like the person possessing said body parts -or they may not. But I don't believe that liking individual body parts makes you into a bad person or means that you have less regard for the feelings of people.
It's. Just. Ridiculous. To. Think. That.

So everyone needs to grow up and take responsibility or themselves and their own motes before trying to MANAGE other people's behavior.

But we objectify each other all the time, not always based on sexuality.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

Objectify: to present as an object, esp. of sight, touch, or other physical sense; make objective; externalize.

If you really don't know what an OP is asking, which many here claim, either ask politely for clarification or stay the fuck out of the thread. What point is there in coming in and making snide remarks or talking about your masturbatory activities?

This is just another in a long line of obnoxious threads in which women's issues are laughed at, made to look unimportant, and generally derided.

Disgusting.

As usual.

this poster's alley...

...that has been jumped on by the feminists as an opportunity to bash men (again)....

you have it soooooo rough

I'd say the "snide" remarks are more the responses of people tired of seeing, on a daily basis, threads aimed at insulting men. I'm sure this will be met with a reply on how women suffer worse every day, and while that is likely true, it remains a two-way street. It's just as possible to insult and unfairly generalize about guys.

What did you expect with a thread title like this, exactly? It would've been better if it'd at least said something like 'do some people objectify others during sex,' but that wasn't the case. It's yet another blanket statement implying that men are all neanderthalic, stupid creatures who know no better than what "patriarchal society" tells them. Give me a break.

In the past few months, I've seen WAY more threads aimed specifically against men (on the basis of gender) than women. Methinks many of us aren't the boogey-creatures that some would like us to be.

This is more like a long line of obnoxious all-men-are-pigs threads that have been making DU somewhat unpleasant lately. And you are the number one offender.

"This is just another in a long line of obnoxious threads in which women's issues are laughed at, made to look unimportant, and generally derided."

No. This is just another in a long line of male hating threads that contain inherent tragic flaws in their logic, and are called out as such appropriately. In this case, it was also a flamebaiting hit and run mess. Not sure why you're so taken aback by the responses. The OP begged for them in a way.

with a woman, they are

presenting (her) as an object, esp. of sight, touch or other physical sense, they are making (her) objective, or they are externalizing (her)?

Please.

Really.

I mean, we're subjected to endless amounts of moaning and whining and gnashing of teeth about this from certain quarters.. yet god forbid anyone should ask, what, precisely, "objectification" means in this context, or what it means to say "men objectify women"... or what, precisely, all-or-most-men in our "patriarchal culture" are doing in their sexual activities that constitute "objectification" of their partners?

What, specifically, are all-or-most-men in our "patriarchal culture" doing wrong in their bodies or heads when they're having what most people* consider consensual sex with women that is universally doing this whatever-the-fuck-it-is to women? Can we get a specific answer about that?

*I realize that, among devotees of the Dworkin/Mackinnon School of thought, just like it is impossible (apparently) for a man to have sex with a woman without "objectifying" her, it is likewise apparently impossible for an adult woman to consent to have evil, oppressive, penetrative sex with a man. This is why Dworkin qualified her comments about "all heterosexual sex" being "rape" with "under patriarchy", which, given the paranoid definition, and near-universal and nebulous character of the concept of "patriarchy", is pretty much like saying "all heterosexual sex is rape when performed in the solar system."

in which someone posts flamebait that can only be seen as derogatory to men. Isn't there a Dworkin forum somewhere in which this would be better received?

Your Post Wins a Prize:

"Ability to Be THE Most Convoluted
With THE Least Words"


Lee

Mr Nice Guy will always get the shaft. Let me tell you from experience: women like nice guys, but they don't fall in love with them, and they don't marry them nearly as often as they do bad guys.

Go to any bar and observe. The bad guys get all the women. This is from a life-long nice guy. I have seen it first hand many many many times. Women are drawn to guys who are uhhh irreverent and uncouth.

I am speaking in general, of course. Not all women are the same.

"Go to any bar and observe...Women are drawn to guys who are uhhh irreverent and uncouth. "

Maybe you'd do better if you went somewhere else to meet women.

His comments are right on the money, and nice guys everywhere who have tons of women who "just want to be friends" will vouch for him. A hint for "nice guys", learn to play the guitar. You instantly get "bad boy" cred...

If you want to be more than "just friends," you step up to the plate and risk rejection, or forever hold your, um, piece.

That's about the most clueless thing I have read all day... "Nice guys" step up to the plate all the time, but the fact of the matter is women, especially when they are young, will choose the bad boy every day of the week. Now I'm not young anymore but when I was, after my hundreds of rejections I started dating older women because they seemed to be over the whole bad boy thing and want an actual relationship. Married a woman 10 years my senior. Oh and this is a generalization, not all women are like this but they are in the majority. One more thing.. maybe it's time the women stepped up to the plate to be rejected.

But hey, whatever works for you.

I just wish I had a nickel for every time I've been told I like guys who are mean and dumb. I'd have a mansion complete with a harem of cabana-boys.

that you must be one of the exceptions and I wish you had been around when I was a kid...

..., if you had said something extremely stupid like, "You will never know what women like, since you're not a guy."

:eyes: :wanker:

and I never said or would have said "You will never know what women like, since you're not a guy."
All I said was you don't know what you are talking about because you are assuming all women are exactly like you and unless you are gay you haven't had to deal with what "nice guys" have had to deal with. But don't let the fact that your assumptions are wrong get in the way of calling me a wanker, I've been called worse on DU.. Have a nice evening.

You said exactly that in post #112, right in the subject line.

I assume - correctly - that not all women conform to the stereotype invented to comfort bitter, self-pitying, so-called "nice guys" who think they are entitled to date them.

Poor dears! Here's a sad song for them: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity: :nopity:

That's some funny ass shit tho - thanks for the show, folks!


EDIT: And thanks for clearly showing men they have absolutely nothing to be afraid of.

And you're welcome.

I will grant you that it is harder being nice, because there are women that like the 'danger' aspect of a bad boy.

But it ain't all of them.

You picked an older woman because you think you have the advantage, that is, control. You can always hint to her that she could lose you any time.

And that's the essence of male insecurity. Having to convince the women that they are at a disadvantage. Whether it's the "man shortage" or the age thing, it's to convince the women that you can do without her because you can replace her more easily than she can replace you.

I wonder how often you hint to this "lucky" older woman just how lucky she is, and just how easily you could replace her, having your choice of all the older and younger women.

full of fucked up assumptions about someone you know virtually nil about.

to let them be realized in their general context.

You can't expect everyone to know you or retreat into "you don't know me."

Don't post personal information then, but if you do, other posters have no way to take it other than in general context.

In this culture, men want control back that they have lost economically. That's why the media trumpets the "man shortage" so constantly. It is based on the woman being younger than the man.

Being with a younger man never works out in the long term. You're even more at a disadvantage than you already were for just being the same age, or even a few years younger. Name one such relationship that lasted more than a few years. Even Demi More (sp?) isn't likely to see a 10th anniversary.

Just admit it to yourself. A whole lot of women like bad guys. Rebels.

"Bad guys" and "nice guys" are simple definitions, but what kind of people are we really talking about? "Bad boys"are often men who are very self confident because they are either very good looking or just egotistical jerks. They know how to put on the "nice guy" persona just long enough to catch a woman's attention. This usually includes some tale of tragedy or abuse during their youth, something that made them become a sensitive "artist" (such as the guy that plays the guitar, as noted above). The woman falls for the line and thinks that she can be the one to show him the better side of humanity. Oddly enough, my sister pulls the same crap with men and gets the same results! She's average as far as her looks go, but she's cocky and charismatic. She also makes up all kinds of tales of woe to tell to men. She even attended children of alcoholics support groups for years, even though neither of our parents were alcoholics! Once she lands them, she treats men like garbage, and they just keep coming back for more.

"Nice guys" who fail are often (but not always) those who are unattractive or who lack charisma and charm (women face this problem to a much greater degree because men are so visual).Believe me, we all really do want to find a nice guy! Some nice guys may be attractive and treat the opposite sex quite well, but are negative about life in general so the opposite sex doesn't feel good being around them. People are attracted to how another person makes them feel about themselves when they are with them, not simply to who the person is intrinsically. Thus the "bad boy" starts off making the woman feel valuable by making her feel as if she has an important role to play in his life. Later she discovers that it's all BS, and that's why the bad boy rarely stays with the same woman for a long time. The "Nice guy" wins when he also makes a woman feel valued. Unfortunately, often the self proclaimed "nice guys" are the overweight bald guys who expect their girlfriends to look like super models and hang on their every word. That expectation is unrealistic to begin with, and it doesn't make a woman feel good about herself at all, despite what all the sitcoms tell us. I think it was Johnathan Swift who said "Man cannot degrade a woman without also degrading himself. Man cannot elevate a woman without also elevating himself". Once a person feels "elevated' by another, an attraction begins.

"Unfortunately, often the self proclaimed "nice guys" are the overweight bald guys who expect their girlfriends to look like super models and hang on their every word."

God, that's the fucking truth.

"People are attracted to how another person makes them feel about themselves when they are with them, not simply to who the person is intrinsically."

Good point, that.


"Unfortunately, often the self proclaimed "nice guys" are the overweight bald guys who expect their girlfriends to look like super models and hang on their every word. That expectation is unrealistic to begin with..."

Amen to that!

Another thing to take into account is where a man is meeting such women. In bars? He might consider going somewhere else to meet women.


Here's another take on this from Usenet. I post this occasionally.


….many of the guys arguing for the "women don't date nice guys" are not
interested in dating any ole "nice girl." They want to date a hot babe. Now, the hot babe who has got herself all together really *can* land the guy who is "all that, and a bag of chips." (i.e., a hot guy who has it all together--mazel tov, you beautiful and together couple!) So, for the guy who is merely "all that" but not "the bag of chips" (or the "bag of chips," but not really "all that"), the best shot at getting a hot babe is to go for the hot-but-messed-up babe. Messed up women *do* often date jerks (that I will definitely conceed). So, in a nutshell, why do these guys get their undies all in a wad about the messed up women who date jerks? Because maybe their only chance with a hot babe is with such types of "damaged goods."

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.marriage/bro...

some guys ("hot" or not) do that because they suffer from some variety of White Knight Syndrome where nothing makes them feel better than being "needed" or being able to help someone out of distress.

Some awfully nice guys have ended up with some real whacked out women that way.

from a woman who is good looking and slim, when she's young. They want to keep that prize, so other men see they have it.

But be outside that teeny minority of women, and it's not so. Many women stay for years with men who have all sorts of problems. I think there is a statistic out there than men leave alcoholic wives much faster and more often than women leaving alcoholic husbands.

Once again, because of the perceived "man shortage" - the media has spent the past 30 years at least trying to convince us that our options are much more limited than a man's are.

it's not nice guys women don't like, it is BORING GUYS

The "bad guys" you refer to are actually more willing to relate to women.

You're probably also limiting yourself to the really good looking women, and because of that, they seem to be picking the "bad guys" when they are actually just picking the better looking guys.

You're into it for status and nothing less. You're just resentful that the best looking women aren't picking you.

You could probably have a really nice relationship with a really nice girl, but you're afraid she won't impress your male competitors, not being the youngest, and best looking, thinnest, etc.

I am not out shopping for women. Just making an observation from quite a few years of experience.

Not good in a relationship, but sometimes I just want hot impersonal sex.

....LOL!!! Just kidding...besides...Catwoman would kick my ass....:evilgrin:

:D

Women and men view sex differently for the most part... and all women are different... and all men are different...

What the hell was the question again?

:shrug:

The only time I've ever hated porn is when... oh, never mind... that's too personal:)

And, for what it's worth, I don't mind some objectification in my sex life.

Honestly classifying all men as chauvinistic pigs is just as bad as men being chauvinistic.

ignore list.

Just thought I'd post something more useful than the OP did.

... understand.


:rofl: :rofl:

:D

it could be interesting... :rofl:

:D

Watchoo gonna do?

:toast:

It's all about "the Other".

Men always view women as "The Other".

Men are quite incapable of having sex without objectifying women.

Or maybe they are.

Carry On.

OMG!

You said "silly" and "homosexuals".

In the same sentence!

OMG! OMG!

:evilgrin: :sarcasm:

Speaking as a woman, in my single and wild days, I've had sex with men purely because they are objects of my desire.

Come to think of it, I don't think they minded.

Now that I'm a settled down married woman, husband and I have sex because we enjoy the hell out of it. :smoke:

Once word of this gets out, people will think it's okay for homosexuals to marry...

(Psst--me and Mr. B love it too--shhhhh...)

exercise, as I now understand it, in which one must embrace the wholeness of the other, and by all means, never EVER think of the other as being physically arousing.

a way to work out my inner revulsion at being objectified, or his disgust as ebing thought of as sport?

Whatever--I can't buy that kind of therapy! :rofl:

- better just to swear it off altogether rather than risk objectimyfying someone.

that one's partner is a delicate, fragile being that must be treated with the utmost respect (even if they like it that other way) and god forbid that maybe you've only known them less than a lifetime--am I right so far?

And an additional god forbid--that they have a great chest, or butt, or nape of the neck, or pinkie finger. We must get past that if we are to do this "sex" thing correctly...

Mr. BAL, whom I've been married to for 11 years and known for 16, had better bring the condoms--the DU Sex Police are watching. :eyes:

What time is "American Idol" on again? :mad:

make a nice sackcloth frock, that is acceptable.

I'd venture to guess most of the men I've been with felt more objectified than I ever have. Then again, I tend to have stable relationships because I know how to enjoy sex for the sake of pleasure. I don't have an agenda other than it feels good and choose partners (for both long and short term relationships) wisely.

;rofl:

Beautiful men are beautiful men and I gave up on explaining why I wanted them at about 26 years old. I have had arm candy. Does that make me shallow? Maybe. But at least I am honest. Women are not victims in that sense. We can see a gorgeous man with the pretty blue eyes and the nice ass from a mile away. Is that all we want? No! I have had the flings. I have been in relationships that had nothing to do with that. I just hate it when women pretend to have never cared or have never seen the obvious in terms of wanting men as objects as well. We aren't sluts. Or loose women. I think its actually pretty powerful. Who cares? We all need to decide what means more and we all need to decide when we make the decision to do it. Women know what they want. We just express it in ways that aren't always expected.

This question is completely ridiculous.

ridiculous OP, including me.

I feel so... so... used! The shame... :eyes:

The horror--you shameful HUMAN you!

I'm starting to break into a sweat! :evilgrin:

you'll knock over the flower vase.

:evilgrin:

We must get to work on improving your focus and concentration at once!

without objectifying them to a degree.

So men, you are mostly off the hook!

:woohoo:

I think this terminology and phrasing needs to be scrapped. It's dated.

Or may I not ask that question?

Holy shit.

Just when I think I have seen some IGNORANT FUCKING MISOGYNY here on this allegedly progressive board, someone sets the bar at a new low.

They can claim it is "nature" till the cows come home, but they are only revealing their own emotional poverty.

instead of lecturing everyone else on how to live theirs?

Eh, probably not.

H.L. Mencken comes to mind:

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

I have had sex with lots of women whom I don't remember their names....I have had conversations with lots of women and still can't remember their names, So i assume I could try this objectification thing you are speaking of, but first I have to understand the meaning of objectification... (wheres that websters when I need it) .......blessings

I want to hump and bump and do the nasty. If I'm not being reduced to a mere sexual object, the chances are, I'm probably going to be bored.