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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:28 PM
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sick Psychologists (or cowardly Psychologists) both

http://www.ktvu.com/news/13926716/detail.html

The nation's largest group of psychologists scrapped a measure Sunday that would have prohibited its members from assisting interrogators at Guantanamo Bay and other U.S. military detention centers.

The American Psychological Association's policy-making council voted against a proposal to ban psychologists from taking part in any interrogations at U.S. military prisons "in which detainees are deprived of adequate protection of their human rights."

Instead, the group approved a resolution that reaffirmed the association's opposition to torture and restricted members from taking part in interrogations that involved any of more than a dozen specific practices, including sleep deprivation and forced nakedness.

Critics of the proposed ban who spoke before the vote at the 148,000-member organization's annual meeting in San Francisco said the presence of psychologists would help insure interrogators did not abuse prisoners.

"If we remove psychologists from these facilities, people are going to die," said U.S. Army Col. Larry James, who serves as a psychologist at Guantanamo Bay.

Supporters argued that psychologists should not be working at detention centers where prisoners are detained indefinitely without being charged.
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america, a country that tortures
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:41 PM
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1. Way to show them, cowards!
I remember one of the APA representatives said he voted to scrap the original strong resolution because he was convinced that people would have died in interrogations if he wasn't there attending them. Oooh, he's the sole hero that kept the torturers from roughing them up that much. Bullshit.

By even being in the same building where prisoners are being tortured or being denied basic human rights, APA psychologists are helping enable the motherfuckers.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:52 PM
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3. true
nt
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:48 PM
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2. I can't understand how these people
would have any part of this. Are they part of the authoritarian mindset too.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 12:53 PM
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4. many of them are religiously insane
nt
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 01:22 PM
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5. This isn't new
If you're really interested, dig at the supposed grave of MK Ultra and Operation Paperclip. Psychologists were eager to get on board for unlimited funding and no protections for their lab rats.

What they did and what they learned are the stuff of nightmares. And here we see it still continues.
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 01:31 PM
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6. Anything for money
what do you want to bet that their hourly rates are grossly inflated for these contracts.

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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 01:31 PM
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7. Only thing missing for SOME of the APA members are.........
white lab coats with the nazi swastika emblem.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 01:36 PM
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8. I don't know what they voted down, but what they voted in looks good to me.

From the context it appears that "any involvement" was voted down, but that specific 'torture' behaviors were prohibited. A psychologist can be booted from the APA for violating the resolution.

I think this is the right move. Psychologists should be involved with interrogations, but not torture.


American Psychological Association calls on U.S. government to prohibit the use of unethical interrogation techniques

Association labels specific techniques as torture; bans such acts as water boarding, use of dogs to intimidate, and sexual humiliation

SAN FRANCISCO—The Council of Representatives of the American Psychological Association (APA) has approved a resolution prohibiting specific techniques sometimes used in interrogations and calling on the U.S. government to ban their use.

The resolution, passed at the APA's annual convention in San Francisco, unequivocally condemns and strictly prohibits psychologists from direct or indirect participation in a list of 19 unethical interrogation techniques including: mock execution; water-boarding or any other form of simulated drowning or suffocation; sexual humiliation; rape; cultural or religious humiliation; exploitation of phobias or psychopathology; induced hypothermia; and the use of psychotropic drugs or mind-altering substances for the purpose of eliciting information. In addition, the following acts were banned for the purpose of eliciting information in an interrogations process: hooding; forced nakedness; stress positions; the use of dogs to threaten or intimidate; physical assault including slapping or shaking; exposure to extreme heat or cold; threats of harm or death; and isolation and/or sleep deprivation used in a manner that represents significant pain or suffering or in a manner that a reasonable person would judge to cause lasting harm; or the threatened use of any of the above techniques to the individual or to members of the individual's family.

Yesterday's vote further articulates that the identified interrogation techniques are strictly out-of-bounds for psychologists, according to Stephen Behnke, JD, PhD, Director of the APA Ethics Office. “We have had a long-standing position that torture and other forms of inhuman and degrading treatment are unethical. The strength of this new resolution is that it adds specificity to that prohibition,” Behnke said.

The new resolution calls upon the United States Government, including the Congress, Department of Defense and Central Intelligence Agency, to prohibit the use of the identified techniques. The resolution additionally noted the likelihood that torture and other forms of cruel treatment lead to unreliable and/or inaccurate information. For that reason, it calls upon U.S. legal systems to reject testimony that results from torture or cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment.

This latest resolution builds on a 2006 Council of Representatives resolution reasserting the organization's absolute opposition to all forms of torture and abuse, regardless of circumstance and linking the Association's position to the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the Geneva Convention.

APA policy condemns and absolutely prohibits psychologists from planning, designing, assisting in or participating in any activities including interrogations which involve the use of torture or other forms of cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment.


Actual Resolution: http://www.apa.org/governance/resolutions/councilres0807.html
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:36 PM
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13. Yup...shrinks are there to make sure it doesn't get any worse
...but folks don't WANT to get that. Anything behind closed doors will be worse than anything in the open. This ISN'T nazi shrinks. This is modern APA shrinks with standards that they adhere to. They really will prevent the worst of the worst from happening.

Lee
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 12:03 PM
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18. why aren't they 'preventing' the torture instead of possible making it

less horrible.

lie down with torturers get up with a stain
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 02:52 PM
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19. ...and HOW exactly are they supposed to do that?!...n/t
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 01:37 PM
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9. What would you have them do?
Witnesses will be necessary for the trials, y'know.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 02:22 PM
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10. Trials?
:rofl:

This has been going on for more than 60 years. I don't see anyone holding them accounable now.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 03:47 PM
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11. The prisoners have been there for more than 60 years?
My, how time flies.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:30 PM
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12. That's this batch of prisoners
And may I remind you that most of Gitmo people are being released without charge, and no one is suggesting heads roll for arresting these non-terrorists?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mk_ultra

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Ewen_Cameron

Need I say more?
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 06:23 PM
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14. No, that's enough offtopic nonsense for now
My question was for the OP, but if you have anything relevant to say, feel free....
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 07:14 PM
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16. The Pentragram used psychologists to develop their torture
protocols. Nice, isn't it?

And they plan to defend themselves by saying, "But, there was a psychologist present!"

It's as disgusting as possible.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 08:45 PM
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17. You mean they didn't use accountants or janitors?
No shit. :eyes:

Psychologists are neither saints nor demons. Most of them are incompetent hacks, cultist creeps, and/or pushers for Big Pharma IMFO.

But none of this comes close to answering my question: What would you have them do?

If you'd rather just rant, that's cool, of course.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 06:37 PM
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15. F#ck you, Col James, Pentagon whore.
People do die and we never hear about it.

The Pentagram needs the APA as a fig leaf but having a figleaf still means you're NAKED.
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