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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 03:54 PM
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Department of Defense Cancels 'Talon' Citizen Protest Database Program
DOD 'Talon' Database Declawed

DOD 'Talon' Database Declawed
By Spencer Ackerman - August 21, 2007, 2:18 PM

The Quakers can sleep easier. This morning, the Pentagon http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/release.aspx?releaseid=11251">announced that it's canceling a database created to monitor threats to Defense Department installations in the U.S. that ended up compiling lists of citizens engaged in peaceful, constitutionally-protected protest speech. For good measure, the Talon database was run by an intelligence office that doled out millions to crooked defense contractor MZM.

Talon, which compiled unverified threat information related to domestic Pentagon-run facilities, will go out of business on September 17. That's a long-planned obsolescence: in April, Defense intelligence chief http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/24/AR2007042402540.html">James Clapper stated that the Pentagon needed to "lay to rest the distrust and concern about the department's commitment to civil rights."

And for good reason. Internal DOD memoranda obtained and disclosed by the ACLU revealed that Talon had ensnared information on over 2,000 American citizens, some for posing http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002021.php">little more of a threat than "the possibility" of "some type of vandalism."

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003964.php


*** - Yeah, right. Cancelled. It's hard to believe anything coming out of Washington now. I'm not convinced....
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 04:14 PM
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1. And just yesterday I saw a bit about how the government was
moving to outsource intelligence to private contractors.

And it's so efficient, too. There was a pie chart showing that private contractors were now providing 50% of the intelligence, at 70% of the cost. The CIA is being turned into a farm team for the high-paying private intelligence industry.

Wish I could remember where I saw it. TV?

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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:12 PM
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3. I know the report you're talking about....
And it is effective in the sense that it allows Repukes to grant huge contracts to their supporters, while giving them cover and "plausible deniability" when taking illegal covert actions that would subject them to criminal charges.

"For all practical purposes, effective control of the NSA is with private corporations, which run its support and management functions. As the Washington Post's Walter Pincus reported last year, more than 70 percent of the staff of the Pentagon's newest intelligence unit, CIFA (Counterintelligence Field Activity), is made up of corporate contractors. Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) lawyers revealed at a conference in May that contractors make up 51 percent of the staff in DIA offices. At the CIA, the situation is similar. Between 50 and 60 percent of the workforce of the CIA's most important directorate, the National Clandestine Service (NCS), responsible for the gathering of human intelligence, is composed of employees of for-profit corporations.

Read more: http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=11&ItemID=13410
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 04:33 PM
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2. "Cancels"?
Meaning "hide" or "repackage under a different name"
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:16 PM
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4. Yeah, that's my point. Exactly.
On further in the article:

"Notably, DOD announced today that the agency overseeing Talon, known as the Counterintelligence Field Activity (CIFA), will "maintain a record copy of the collected data in accordance with intelligence oversight requirements." In other words, CIFA will keep records both of what Talon possesses and what information it deleted, in order to demonstrate that it wasn't covering up for improper or illegal intelligence collection.

CIFA has a reputation as a hive of corruption. Thanks to corrupt congressman Duke Cunningham, CIFA channeled millions of dollars in contracts to MZM, whose chief, Mitchell Wade, bribed Cunningham and larded CIFA with his cronies.

According to the Pentagon, the assistant secretary of defense for homeland defense, Pete Verga, will come up with an alternative program "to document and assess potential threats to DoD resources." It remains to be seen whether Talon will essentially live on under a different name."


- See what I mean?

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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 06:05 PM
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5. none of this ever goes away,
never, ever. It just gets merged with something else worse.
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