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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 04:34 PM
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Listening to NPR on the way home...I had NO idea how GREAT the surge was going.
Edited on Tue Aug-21-07 04:40 PM by spanone
they had 2 generals and O'hanlon (whom they called a moderate democrat) talking about how well the surge was going then featured
Democratic Congressman Brian Baird who thought the invasion was a terrible thing but then went on to talk about how well the surge was working and we can't pull out and blah blah blah. Not ONE SINGLE FUCKING QUESTION ABOUT A POLITICAL SOLUTION. Not one voice of opposition.

THE FIX IS IN.

No more money to NPR. EVER
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 04:34 PM
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1. NPR (Neocon Public Relations)
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 04:37 PM
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2. Good one Stranger!
:rofl: :rofl:
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 04:42 PM
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3. Kudos!!
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:45 PM
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19. They are irrevocably TAINTED, unfortunately! nt
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 04:43 PM
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4. The surge
A PR solution to a real world problem.

Considering the study, report, and language is all crafted from within the Bush administration all of these absurd news blurbs, no matter where they appear should be suspect.

This explains why Hillary appears to be getting out ahead of this by claiming publically that the surge is working. Of course this will make her look stupid when the violence and bloodshed drags on for the continuing months. Pennywise and pound foolish Hill,' you should probably fire some of you DLC and union busting advisors. They do you far more harm than good.

Would it have hurt to say 'It's too early to tell'?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:47 PM
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20. Well, she didn't claim that, and it's disingenuous of you to say she did.
Unless you've bought the bullshit spread by DRUDGE and the NY POST. They're the ones touting that lie, so if you are gonna 'consider the NPR source,' you should consider where that piece of shit lie came from, too....
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 06:18 AM
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34. Right Hairsplitting convention here
She did actually say "the tactics are working"

I do know and appreciate that she mentioned that it was too late and we should pull out. But concessions to Bushite propeganda only feed that beast and water down any contrasts that exist between her and some of the moderate republican candidates. I have the impression that she is about as anti-war as Mitt Romeny or Ghoul-iani is anti-abortion.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 12:52 PM
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44. She didn't say surge and she didn't say across Iraq. She's on the doggone ASC. She's briefed more
than BUSH is, fachrissake.

It's really a bit more than hairsplitting, IMO. Ya know, you can go look at a house you might want to buy, and say, gee--great landscaping--close to schools, and wow, what a price!!! But further review reveals that the termites and the shitty plumbing make it a bad bargain, so you don't want to buy it.

That's what she did, here, to an audience that appreciates a FULL review of the situation, good, bad, and ugly-- but a bunch of assholes who have no interest in facts are saying "Gee, she liked the landscaping and the price--ergo, she's SOLD on the house!!" It's an absurd argument, and I notice that it comes from a specific supbset of agenda-driven folks. Like so many other unfair, nitpicking gripes do.

I take notice of who supports who, and who goes out of their way to trash candidates--I'm still keeping my options open, and so far, the major players especially, they're all not bad. I won't lose sleep no matter who gets the nom. But the more unfair trashing goes on, the more I'm inclined to speak up in support--be it Edwards, Obama or Clinton. It just doesn't advance discussion of the REAL issues--to include the REAL differences, not made-up, 'gotcha' BS--to pull this kind of stuff. IMO.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 04:45 PM
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5. Good for the Kicked in Door repairman
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 04:50 PM
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6. I hope you have/will write to npr
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:01 PM
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11. join me
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 06:45 PM
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29. i heard the same thing, and I was seething
and thanks for the contact info, I just wrote them
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 04:54 PM
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7. I was worried about this
Bush got to send more troops for the surge, and now they'll want more...which the dems will give him.

More money
More troops
More "laws" that expand "wartime powers"

Please tell me the Dems are going to stop this!

...oh s***. I don't see anyone stepping in front of this train. I do see a goodly number getting behind to push, though. :cry:
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 04:55 PM
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8. Unbelievable. I haven't listened to NPR for some time now.....and
I guess I won't be listening soon if this is the sort of coverage they're putting out. Thanks for the heads up. K&R
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 04:58 PM
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9. National Prop-prop-propaganda Radio! This morning they explained how global warming is keen!
Not kidding -- their series on global warming is supported by the Cato (Neocon, Libertarian) Institute and today their EXPERT on climate change was a mayor of a small French town who said that global warming will only increase temperatures by 1 degree, and that he knows this because there wasn't a deadly heatwave in France this year. It is okay with him that the nuclear power plant in his town has gotten a special permit to release hot water into the local stream even though it might kill fish. Yes, there are fewer fish this year - but he doesn't think it is due to the nuclear power plant.

WHAT IS NOT TO LOVE about National Prop-prop-propaganda Radio!

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

I gave up donating money to them after the theft of the 2004 election -- they couldn't be bothered to investigate then and I can't be bothered to donate since.

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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:01 PM
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10. No! It can't be! NPR is toooooo libural!
Did they at least present the viewpoint that the surge is a failure?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:02 PM
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12. tucker has this asswipe baird on his show. sounds like a RAVING REPUBLICAN
Edited on Tue Aug-21-07 05:03 PM by spanone
this guy is a fucking neocon. a fucking neocon. nancy pelosi should grab this fucker by the balls.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:51 PM
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23. shhhhh! He is a DLC/BLUEDOG! or Bush Dog!
also known as a neocon....

http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2007/08/brian-baird-contemptuously-dares-real.html


<snip>

A few weeks ago I only knew vaguely who Brian Baird was. I found out because I was shocked to find his name on the very short list of Democratic congressmen who hate our troops. Baird, a Blue Dog hack from southwest Washington, joined 3 of the worst reactionaries in the House Democratic caucus-- Chris Carney (PA), Jim Marshall (GA) and Charlie Melancon (LA)-- to oppose mandatory rest times for troops in Iraq. Fortunately, the troop haters like Baird were defeated in the House.

Back to Baird, currently in his 5th term. His district spreads out on both sides of the 5 Freeway between Olympia and Vancouver (Washington). He's a Blue Dog and a member of the anti-worker/anti-consumer New Democratic Coalition (think Ellen Tauscher). He has a middle-of-the-road voting record over all, but he has been fairly supportive of the Bush Regime agenda in Iraq, voting for example, with the Republicans and against the Democrats on HR 2206, May 24's bill to fund the war without withdrawal deadlines; with the Republicans and against the Democrats on HR 6061 (the so-called "Secure Fence Act"); with the Republicans and against the Democrats on the circus known as the Flag Desecration Amendment; and with the Republicans and against the Democrats in making the Terri Schiavo dispute a federal case. In other words, he isn't exactly a Democrat you want to support or trust-- unless you're the right-wing propaganda rag, National Review. The stay the course crowd over there loves Brian Baird.

U.S. Rep. Brian Baird said Thursday that his recent trip to Iraq convinced him the military needs more time in the region, and that a hasty pullout would cause chaos that helps Iran and harms U.S. security...
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:53 PM
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24. he's also an asshole.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:55 PM
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25. well
that goes without saying.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:56 PM
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26. i know, i just HAD to say it.
:hi:
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 06:05 PM
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27. he is an ASSHOLE, ASSHOLE, ASSHOLE!!!!!!
me too!

:)
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:10 PM
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13. Gee then our military will ALL be home for Thanksgiving correct.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:21 PM
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14. no, they wish to extend the surge......
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Nictuku Donating Member (907 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:23 PM
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15. I don't think this O'hanlon
... is either a General, or a moderate democrat. (that is if it is the same Michael E. O'hanlon who recently wrote an article in the NY Times saying the surge was working). He works for the Brookings Institute, and the pentagon paid for their trip to Iraq (at the same time Bill Kristol was there, coincidence???)

From Glenn Greenwald:
http://tinyurl.com/2s44xx
Quote:
As you rightly reported -- I was not a critic of this war. In the final analysis, I was a supporter.

<snip>

In February, 2003, O'Hanlon wrote -- in a column entitled "Time for War" -- that the "president was still convincing on his central point that the time for war is near" and decreed that "it is now time for multilateralists to support the president." Not a single one of the television interviews Pollack and O'Hanlon gave about their Op-Ed included any reference to the fact that they were both supporters of the war and of the Surge.


EndQuote

If this is a different O'Hanlon, then in my Rosanna Dana voice: (nevermind)
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:24 PM
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16. glad I found this post - I was going to do one on this myself.
Was driving home from work and nearly crashed into me listening to the bullshit - yet another WTF moment in a slew of them. What's the story with this DINO? Where did he come from? You just hope for a glimmer of hope, for reason to break through, for the worm to turn...but no, things just get worse and worse (and I am an optimist!)
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:50 PM
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22. what appalled me, was there was no questioning of any of their bullshit
not a hint that a HUGE majority of Americans want this war gone. not a whisper of another thought or opinion....appalling
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beltanefauve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 08:31 PM
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30. In fact,
Mara Liasson and other RW shills on NPR frequently refer to the war as being "bitterly divisive", when the polls numbers suggest otherwise.
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:35 PM
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17. NPR
Caught this report on my commute home. I was overwhelmed with a feeling that "everything I know is wrong" from this report.

Gee, sounds great! We should be pulling out of there in about 10 years and 20,000 American lives later!


-85% jimmy
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petersjo02 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:44 PM
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18. I gave up on public radio a long time ago
Maybe 10 years or so. I don't know why NPR has gone down the sewer and yet PBS still seems to do a good job. I no longer give a dime to public radio in our state.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:48 PM
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21. Look, if you give them money, then you too can feel you're part of the system...
Edited on Tue Aug-21-07 05:58 PM by Junkdrawer
and then, you just might believe what they say...

Oh, you may need to supplement that a bit with a full-frontal lobotomy, but you can get with it and be happy.

Remember, you are the Public in Public Radio.
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trekbiker Donating Member (724 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 06:06 PM
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28. F*** NPR.. no mo money ever...!
I was a regular NPR contributor for years until about 4 years ago. I was listening to an interview on the war and couldnt believe what I was hearing... nothing but softball questions and NO FOLLOW UP questions. That was the last straw as I had been getting fed up with thier increasing corporate dependence for some time. Sometimes they'll throw in a penetrating question but they just dont go after it with follow-ups. Car talk and music is the only thing I listen to on NPR anymore. but no more money from me. if the music dissappears I'll go satellite
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 09:29 PM
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31. Woohoo! Nice job of lighting the fires of hysteria, spanone. Let's review what was REALLY said:
First, here's the link. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=13833632 Lots of text as well as the audio.

Here's the first few seconds of the report, which gives anyone paying attention a clear heads-up:


"General David Patraeus will deliver his progress report on Iraq next month. It has become one of the most highly anticipated assessments of the war. But over the past few weeks, the White House and the Pentagon have carefully started laying the foundation for the theme of the report, and the theme is based on a familiar word: progress."

In other words, the bullshit has started early, and they gave plenty of examples from Bush, O'Hanlon, and a Lt General as they talked glowingly of results, good news, and progress, progress, progress.

And if that was not clear enough, they delivered one more caveat:

"The message is part of a concerted White House and Pentagon effort to preempt any serious political opposition to the idea of extending the troop surge."

That's your basic brick through the windshield: Anything that we report coming from the mouths of any politician or military person is part of this propaganda campaign. And they then let them go.

Now, if your idea of reporting is to deny the microphone to anyone with an opposing point of view, then HELL YES! Turn off NPR and never turn it on again. Personally, I don't like being spoon fed the news and its interpretation. Give me the facts, a bit of background, and let me think about it.

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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 09:42 PM
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33. thank you for your reasonable post. n/t
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 07:59 AM
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37. i don't think the folks at npr are that clever. imo
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 08:55 AM
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38. I don't consider it clever at all.
This quote puts it out for all to see:

"The message is part of a concerted White House and Pentagon effort to preempt any serious political opposition to the idea of extending the troop surge."


During that piece, they also made it clear that the Pentagon was dragging members of Congress to Iraq and presenting them information about the surge.

NPR didn't leave much to the imagination -- the notion of "progress" is one that the Pentagon and the * administration is shoving down our throats.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 09:09 AM
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41. Agree. Looks pretty objective to me.
"Whose Conclusions Will They Be?

Meanwhile, the White House has indicated that it will write the report which Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker deliver to Congress — even though, just a few weeks ago, the president had suggested that he himself was awaiting its conclusions.

<>

Paul Hughes, a retired Army colonel now at the U.S. Institute of Peace, argues that a report penned by the White House will only undermine its credibility.

"For them to be writing this report is going to diminish whatever ground truth that Gen. Petraeus or Ambassador Crocker have put into the reports," he says."

:shrug:

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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 09:43 AM
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42. looks are decieving. if you heard the report it was entirely one-sided
and had no pretense of cynism or finger pointing at the bu$h* administration. it was a war commercial.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 09:49 AM
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43. Some perspective
That poster has a ridiculous bias. According to him, NPR can do no wrong, and anyone who has anything bad to say about NPR are all misguided, and angry spleen-venting children.
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 09:33 PM
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32. The surge is going so great that...
50,000 leave Iraq for neighboring countries each month. I have never been a fan of NPR. It has too much of a flying monkey right slant. Listen to BBC. Not perfect, but much more objective.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 06:33 AM
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35. Like living in Soviet Russia, the propaganda blitz is on
Edited on Wed Aug-22-07 06:40 AM by tom_paine
and it is working. It ALWAYS works until the people have been lied to so much about so many things they have no choice but to get wise.

Considering how trusted and diligent the American media was in the 60s and 70s (everything is relative, I am speaking of compared to now), at which time they built the credit they are now squandering by acting as trumpets for the Mighty Wurlitzer of Lying Bushies and little more.

So people and society are not yet ready to see what is, the massive flip by the American Media towards being the Soviet Media (with much prettier anchors, better sets, and celebrity news) that we used to laugh at as children.

Now we are seeing it here. My god how well it WORKS and keeps on WORKING, throwing up enough squid ink to make a muddle of everything and disarming the opposition, feeble as it is already.

Unbelievable. I watch in disbelief.

Yes, Comrades the glorious surge in Eurasia is working and that means all criticism of The Leader and The Party was WRONG. ALL of IT, WRONG. Since the very beginning. End message.

The same shit is happening all over again as it always has.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 07:01 AM
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36. Amazingly, you'll hear the same thing this morning too
On the way to work I got to hear an in-depth explanation of why Syria and Iran are the best of friends. Which surprised me - I wasn't aware that they were.

You can't trust a damn thing they say anymore.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 09:04 AM
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39. You think it was just a massive coincidence that Syria and Iran were involved in Lebanon?
They just happened to be supporting the same side of Lebanon's conflict with Israel? You thought they were just in the neighborhood?

And your "best of friends" hyperbole is just that.

For those who give a shit about the actual reporting, he's a snippet and link:

Iran and Syria: An Alliance Shaped by Mutual Foes

Over the last quarter-century, Iran and Syria have sustained a strong partnership, which many experts see as an odd coupling.

Syria is a secular regime and, in the 1980s, its army gunned down thousands of Islamist revolutionaries and jailed many more. Iran, on the other hand, touts revolution under the banner of Islam, according to Robert Malley of the International Crisis Group.

"It's unlikely at one level," Malley says. "I mean, there's one very secular and one very religious regime. One is Arab, one is Persian. One has negotiated with Israel, the other one has had no dealings with Israel. And, yet, they have found common interests and enemies, and that's what's made this relationship both intriguing and extremely solid."

Common Enemies

Officials in Damascus offer a list of reasons for the partnership, but they say that what it boils down to are common enemies.

"We believe that the American agenda in the Middle East — it's so dangerous for the people in the Middle East. Iran believes same. We believe that Israel is our enemy — this is exactly what Iran believes," says Mohammed Habash, head of the Iranian Syrian Friendship Committee in Parliament.

Common enemies have led to common economic interests, according to Abdullah Dardan, Syria's deputy prime minister for economic affairs.

"It's political and economics. Can you separate the two? Naturally, we have good political relations. Most of the businessmen who come from Iran are telling us they see a virgin land for investment," Dardan says.

Iran has poured about $3 billion into Syria for an oil refinery, a car factory and cooperation agreements for telecommunications, housing and agricultural projects.

Syrians, however, have never quite warmed to the alliance.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=12635901


$3 billion dollar Iranian investment in Syria, and you didn't know they had alliances. Rather than taking the NPR story as pure bullshit, you might consider it to be a learning experience.

I have found that NPR detractors don't want objective reporting; they want overt right-wing-hating spew. Thank God NPR isn't like that.

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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 09:08 AM
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40. Like Broken Clockwork
You are on every thread denying all bias on NPR. It's the GREATEST!! NO PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER!! NPR IS THE BEST!
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