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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:44 PM
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Another question about porn
Is there a difference between traditional porn consisting of written descriptions or drawings and more recent porn (since the invention of photography) that is a recording of people actually doing it?

I mean, aside from the fact that film is more realistic than a chalk drawing on a wall.

The question is whether modern porn which involves filming people engaging in sex for pay is different from historical porn which was a product of someone's imagination.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:45 PM
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1. no diference
they both dehumanize (or dehumanise) everyone.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:47 PM
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2. I Agree
To even discuss it is an abomination...
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:49 PM
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3. sex is a normal & natural human activity...
why is filming it dehumanizing? Is filming any other natural activity, like say eating, dehumanizing as well?
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:51 PM
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5. Isn't there a science fiction story out there somewhere about a
society in which eating is so private that eating in public was as titillating experience?

Speaking of titillating experiences, any of you out there old enough to remember the eating scene in Tom Jones?
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 06:45 PM
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13. yep. good one in tampopo too.
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The Vinyl Ripper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 08:06 PM
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15. Asimov went further than that..
_The Caves of Steel_ was partially about a society in which people became so phobic about being around other people that enough sex to propagate the species was a real problem.

The other human society in the same novel went in exactly the opposite direction, they were jammed into teeming underground cities, hence the name.

If you want to read an SF novel with a strange take on human sexuality try Norman Spinrad's _Journals of the Plague Years_ about a future where super aids has made all sexual contact into russian roulette.
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nostalgicaboutmyfutr Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 06:01 PM
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9. What is the difference then, Sniffa,....
....In "Porn" and documenting someone's parents have sex.....does it matter if it is written, in stills, or video?

by inference...you are saying that not documenting the act, it is not dehumaizing?

Could it be that your logic would make the act dehumanizing whether or not it was documented?

That is pretty sad...
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 07:34 PM
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14. there is no difference
except for anaL - that's just gross and dehumaz(s)ing.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:50 PM
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4. In A Court Here In Texas
I don't know why I am bringing this up since I can't remember the outcome. There was a man in Austin caught with child porn on his computer. However, when analyzed they realized there were NO real children involved. It was all computer animation and advanced graphics. I cannot remember if he was still charged. There isn't a lot on the planet more disgusting and ill than child porn. However, if there are not really any children involved????????????????? It's difficult to know what to do. He hurt no real children but it still DEPICTED something illegal and reprehensible. Odd eh?

Lee
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:53 PM
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6. The key phrase here is "hurt no real children"
So does modern porn hurt the adults involved? No fair claiming that it's all voluntary; the counter claim would be that only damaged people would volunteer.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:55 PM
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8. That's the problem that most concerns me
The law doesn't "know it when it sees it." If you censor realistic but totally imaginary kiddie porn (or written kiddie porn, which I believe was also an issue in the case you mention), you must also censor realistic accounts of child sexual abuse in memoirs, novels, psychology texts, and other works that may be of great value in the fight against abuse. The laws against child porn aren't really censorship--it's a matter not of content, but of being accessory after the fact to a real crime. This confuses a lot of people and makes them think the door is open for the govt. to suppress anything they don't like.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 06:01 PM
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10. Now That I Think About It
I think they did file charges against him because the thing itself is illegal...child pornography, whether real children are used or not. I don't know the outcome of the case but they did pursue charges...

Lee
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 06:22 PM
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12. I had an interesting conversion with--believe it or not--Steve Allen
about a similar thing. This involved "crushing" videos. If you don't know, that is a really out-there fetish with women smashing small animals--usually mice--with their high heels. Dreadful, horrible stuff and AFAIK illegal because of the animal cruelty. But the subject came up because of a "what-if" the depictions were CGI'd meaning no humans or animals involved. Allen maintained that it was the depiction itself that was bad and the fact that no animal was actually hurt was just a happy side effect.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 05:55 PM
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7. Maybe They're Artistically Different, But They're Both Still Harmless Overall And Enjoyed By Many.
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Snarkoleptic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 06:18 PM
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11. Especially this guy...
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