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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 08:14 PM
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Some DEM are changing their minds and now support staying in Iraq:
Edited on Tue Aug-21-07 08:18 PM by rodeodance
Forum Name Latest Breaking News
Topic subject Senator Calls for Maliki's Ouster
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2962192#2962192
2962192, Senator Calls for Maliki's Ouster
Posted by rodeodance on Tue Aug-21-07 08:12 PM

Source: Washington Post

Senator Calls for Maliki's Ouster
Levin Urges Iraqis To Replace Leaders

By Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, August 21, 2007; A01
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"I hope the parliament will vote the Maliki government out of office and will have the wisdom to replace it with a less sectarian and more unifying prime minister and government," Sen. Carl M. Levin (D-Mich.) said after a three-day trip to Iraq and Jordan.
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Not every Democrat has come back from Iraq supporting a drawdown of U.S. forces in the coming months, as party leaders have advocated. Staking out positions that could complicate efforts to achieve party unity in September, a few Democratic lawmakers have returned expressing support for a continued troop presence. One of them, Rep. Brian Baird (Wash.), said yesterday that he will no longer vote for binding troop withdrawal timelines.


Republican leaders have seized upon any positive statements from lawmakers returning from Iraq to portray Democratic leaders as wedded to failure there while the Democratic Party grows increasingly divided over the war's progress.

Last Friday, Baird told the Olympian, a newspaper in his district, that he now believes the United States should stay in the country as long as necessary to ensure stability.

That followed comments by Rep. Jerry McNerney (D-Calif.) suggesting that his trip to Iraq made him more flexible in his search for a bipartisan accord on the future U.S. role in the conflict. "If anything, I'm more willing to work to find a way forward," he told reporters late last month.

Rep. Tim Mahoney (D-Fla.), who was with McNerney, told his local paper that the troop increase "has really made a difference and really has gotten al-Qaeda on their heels."

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/20/AR2007082000871_pf.html
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 08:21 PM
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1. I hate to say this, but aren't billions in cash "missing" in Iraq?
Is this why people are more "flexible" after their visits?
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dragonlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 08:24 PM
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2. They're given a guided tour of only the most successful places
Some will believe what they are spoon-fed.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 08:26 PM
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4. I have been saying this for many months.
The majority of Dems support the US Occupation of Iraq for an indefinite time frame. There are various reasons for this. You can speculate as to those reasons. The US Occupation will continue & the Dems will keep funding it. There will be a draw down but at least 60K US Troops & 140K Mercs will remain in Iraq. US presence in Iraq will continue for decades.
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 08:26 PM
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3. In the immortal words of Gomer Pile...
Surprise, Surprise, Surprise!

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PghTiny Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 08:27 PM
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5. If these jive crazy fools are so hot on staying in Iraq
Grab a uniform, grab a rifle, and get on the next plane to Baghdad!
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 08:28 PM
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6. The Bushies and the Pentagon have waged a huge campaign selling the success of the surge.
You would be hard pressed finding anybody right now to say that the military aspects of the surge aren't working. Iraq is hardly tranquil, but changes have been noticed.

Needless to say, the point of the surge was to give the Iraqis breathing room to establish political stability and a chance to rebuild their own forces. That hasn't happened quite yet, particularly on the political front.

I suggest we be patient for just a little while longer. In 6 to 8 months, draw-down of US forces in Iraq will be forced upon the Bush administration. It will be gradual, but it will be gradual no matter when it begins.

I think the strategy among the politicians is to buy into the current strategy knowing that it will eventually merge with what we want.

If we buy into it now, the GOP cannot claim full credit for the withdrawal.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 08:35 PM
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7. Disgusted ....beyond ....words.
FURTHER APPEASEMENT & BACKSLIDING ON IRAQ IS UNACCEPTABLE - TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 08:36 PM
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8. Screw him and any others.
:puke:


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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 09:04 PM
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9. Eyes on the prize...
time to ratchet up that rhetoric before next months dance around the oil law...or the meeting of benchmark #1..which will of course, provide stability to the region and enable the 're-deployment' of U.S. troops.

Earthtimes.org
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/94429.html
Iraq oil law up in Sept., official says
Posted on : 2007-08-16 | Author : General News Editor
News Category : World

WASHINGTON, Aug. 16 (UPI) A top official in the Iraqi Embassy in Washington expects the oil law to top Parliament's agenda when lawmakers return to session at the start of next month.

Ghaleb El-Anbaki, third secretary and head of the Iraqi Embassy's political affairs department, told UPI the oil debate is "a sensitive issue," one related to history and entwined with the country's future.

"This will come up on the first item on the agenda of the next session of Parliament," he said, adding the Kurdistan Regional Government and Iraq's central government have compromises on "technical" issues, such as sharing power.

There has been no announcement on any deal, however, as Parliament is on recess this month. The oil law has been negotiated for more than a year but is stuck on issues such as the extent of federalism in controlling the exploration, development and production of the third-largest reserves in the world. Also unresolved is the extent foreign and private companies will be allowed into the sector.
Ben Lando, UPI Energy Editor
Copyright 2007 by United Press International



http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/AD19F8CA-E314-4901-8DDE-450A31ED2255.htm
WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 15, 2007
16:01 MECCA TIME, 13:01 GMT
Prominent Iraqis criticise oil law
By Ahmed Janabi

Al-Chalabi says Iraqi oil experts must be consulted
A statement, signed by 419 Iraqi oil experts, economists and intellectuals, expresses grave concern that the newly proposed law would deprive Iraq from its most vital natural resource, oil, and give foreign oil companies ultimate domination over Iraq's oil wealth.
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Al Jazeera spoke to Kamal al-Kaisi, a former oil ministry official and Iraq's representative to Opec 1979-1985. He said: "The question is: Do we really need that oil law? Is it really that urgent, and cannot wait until Iraq is better off?

"Iraq has achieved the nationalisation of oil in 1973, we ran our oil industry effectively for decades, before and after the nationalisation, and our experience has become a model for the region's countries.

Production-sharing agreements, which would allow foreign oil companies to invest in oil, and pay a profit margin to the government have been widely criticised by Iraqi oil experts.

Al-Kaisi said: "If we want to increase oil production, then we do not need to risk our necks by surrendering our oil to foreign companies, it could be done internally. Iraq is full of high-quality oil engineers. All we need is to borrow some money, may be, but we definitely do not need the production share agreements (PSA).

"The nation is in ruins, people are afraid to stay in their own homeland, foreign troops are occupying the country, the government alliance is falling apart - among many other problems. Is the oil law a priority in such circumstances?


The proposed oil law licenses PSA for the first time in decades. The law states that foreign oil companies would pay 12% profit margin to the Iraqi government. Oil experts say this is an unjustifiably small figure in the light of the current high oil prices.
Source: AlJazeera

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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-21-07 09:15 PM
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10. I would take a close look at the campaign
contributions of these politicians, who is giving them money.
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