Michael Vick: Great column in the Washington Post - Sally Jenkins...

Some excerpts:



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/21/AR2007082102093.html?hpid%3Dsec-sports&sub=AR

(red dragon, perhaps?) where a really scummy guy gets left in the lurch with his killer hogs. Hogs can be extremely violent, when provoked.


I wonder if the surviving dogs would return the favor to Mr. Vick?

There's also a great,great sequence in the movie Snatch where the bad guy explains how long it takes for a pig to eat a human,and how that's where the term "greedy as a pig" came from. :)

Pete Rose was banned for life, and denied induction into the Baseball Hall of Fame for illegal gambling. And that was crime where he didn't kill anyone or anything. What do you think they should do to Vick. BAN THE INHUMAN FOR LIFE.

And have even eaten veal.

And I know how it is produced.

I have no leg to stand on to criticize Mr Vick.

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Do you have any idea how veal calves are raised these days?

This is how veal calves live their lives.

While far worse cruelty goes on every day on a vast, industrial scale.

Don't get me wrong, I'm an animal lover and I have a dog I love dearly.

But I'm not blind to the other cruelties that go on around me.

I think what Vick did was despicable but I myself benefit from despicable practices so I choose not to jump on the bandwagon against Vick.

And if you eat pork, chicken, turkey, eggs or beef you are benefiting from despicable cruel practices too.

The Humane Farming Association...

www.hfa.org

Every little bit helps. Unless you are a vegetarian, it is nearly impossible to avoid meat produce using factory farming methods...but aiding groups like this does help...

However, this is still a separate issue than what Vick did...and one does not have to be a vegetarian to criticize him

Cruelty to animals is cruelty to animals in my view.

If a foolish consistency is a hobgoblin of small minds then I guess I have a small mind.

Thanks for the link BTW, it looks interesting.

Is not to stop condemning the one because you don't condemn the other, but to educate people on the other...

:)

I do not have words to express how I feel about Vick. All I can say is that he is lucky he is not within my physical reach...the motherfucking son of a bitch should get the same punishment he gave those helpless dogs. Fuck him....and even that is too good for him.

"The dogs had faces and voices that would have eloquently expressed their agony, and Vick hurt them anyway, repeatedly."

This line brought me to tears. It's good to point out that the dogs themselves said stop but he didn't stop. Monstrous. I get so annoyed when people say it's racist to be outraged, or why are outraged at this when we should outraged at other things. You never run out of outrage unfortunately.

It wasn't a one time moment of passion thing. It was a deliberate choice over years. I really hope he never has another NFL game. It's not fair to football otherwise.

in cruelty to animals are often guilty of cruelty to humans.

Animal abuse is not just the result of a minor personality flaw in the abuser but rather a symptom of a deep mental disturbance. Research in psychology and criminology shows that people who commit acts of cruelty toward animals don’t stop there; many of them move on to their fellow humans.

The FBI has found that a history of cruelty to animals is one of the traits that regularly appear in its computer records of serial rapists and murderers, and the standard diagnostic and treatment manual for psychiatric and emotional disorders lists cruelty to animals as a diagnostic criterion for conduct disorders.

A study conducted by Northeastern University and the Massachusetts SPCA found that people who abuse animals are five times more likely to commit violent crimes against humans. The majority of inmates scheduled to be executed for murder at California’s San Quentin penitentiary “practiced” their crimes on animals, according to the warden.

http://helpinganimals.com/ga_humanAbuse.asp

Humans are genetically predisposed to eat meat...

However, it can be argued that turning a blind eye towards animal cruelty in the factory farming industry while condemning Vick is hypocritical. However, I think most people are not aware of what goes on factory farms. There is a great organization that I contribute to called the Humane Farming Association...take a look at their website to see what really goes on at these places...

Things the way they are it isn't always easy to act on one's convictions, but every little bit helps...

www.hfa.org

Side question: How do you know that humans are predisposed to eat meat? (I eat meat. As much as possible. Just wondering where you get that from.)

I used to be quite vocal about it, supporting folks breaking into labs to steal research animals and that kind of thing. Was kind of radical on the environment too...The "Monkey Wrench Gang" was one of my favorite books...I tried vegetarianism as well...with limited success

In any case, I came to realize that method was not really the way to make progress, and some of my views on it were over the top...though I am still an environmentalist and support efforts to end animal cruelty...but in my research I read a number of books that tried to make the claim that humans were not predisposed to eat meat, and came away with the opposite view...we are omnivores, with teeth evolved for both purposes for example, and the length of our colons are perfect for the digestion of both...among other things...

The types and quantities of proteins we need are not that easy to get simply as a vegetarian, one has to eat the right combination of food to get what is required...

Just everything argued against it...

Humans and our ancestors were omnivors. Anything short of granite was eatable. Homo whoever would not pass up anything that was edible, carrion was a suitable meal if found it.From the anthropology that I have read, since our ancestors lacked claws or large canines,the impetus to chip flints for cutting edge flakes was to make taking apart a carcus easier.

Vick is about to plead guilty...read the indictment...he is getting off easy

He is certainly getting a lighter sentence than if the government was allowed to convict him in a trial.

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is a lie.

I was watching commentary over the weekend during preseason games. Of course, the commentators were BREATHLESS in their willingness to cover, cover and re-cover this sordid and sickening story. It's especially funny to me that people like Bob Costas were floating the theory that Vick will play again when he's out of the pen. Right. Get serious.

I told my husband that Michael Vick will never play another down in the NFL, and I stand by that statement. He makes John Rocker's antics look tame by comparison. I also think any team stupid enough to pick up Vick on waivers or whatever Atlanta finally decides to do with his contract will be subject to a PR backlash that will be legendary. They should be.

Julie

will revel in having him back because of all the publictiy and ratings. Watching a cruel torturer is really big sport these days. Bad enough we have to watch Bushies but even now they get what they want for their own cruel torturing.

I'm so sick of these "sports heros." They aren't heros when many are on drugs, beat or kill their wives and children and in general are still applauded and payed as if they were royalty.

When will the Sports Fanatics demand better from the people they spend hours watching and whose merchandise they buy? What parent would want their kid to emulate these disgusting over-payed, over produced losers in life. :grr: