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SayWhatYo (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 12:31 AM Original message |
Questions about "institutional racism" and the "only whites can be racist" thing... |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 12:34 AM Response to Original message |
1. My mother is from France and there was alot of racism towards people |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 12:38 AM Response to Original message |
2. Everyone has equal rights under the law in the US |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 09:11 AM Response to Reply #2 |
21. This is historically nonsensical. |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 12:39 AM Response to Original message |
3. Interesting question - and one with a difficult and nuanced answer. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 04:11 AM Response to Reply #3 |
11. No, that's not what racism means. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 08:51 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Many disagree with you. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 07:58 AM Response to Reply #17 |
48. Many? |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 08:32 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. incorrect. all my class, prof, books, use the "new" def. of racism. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Oh dear. |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-12-07 01:01 AM Response to Reply #52 |
57. well, jargon is what jargon is, y'know. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 08:39 AM Response to Reply #3 |
15. Correct |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 09:33 AM Response to Reply #3 |
24. China can't "call in it's debt" |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 03:20 PM Response to Reply #24 |
42. Yep |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 12:45 AM Response to Original message |
4. Institutional racism refers to a wide reaching set of traditions and customs that discriminate |
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silverojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 12:53 AM Response to Original message |
5. Asians are massively racist (in Asia, at least) |
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geardaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 02:39 PM Response to Reply #5 |
39. Yep. |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 01:33 AM Response to Original message |
6. the "only whites can be racist" bit is naive American BS. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 08:42 AM Response to Reply #6 |
16. Systemically |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #16 |
43. It is more than a stretch to say that white racism has more impact |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 03:36 PM Response to Reply #16 |
44. That is a myth, one example, India, has engaged in its brand of institutional racism. |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 02:33 AM Response to Original message |
7. I believe that would be "dominent" race. |
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IntravenousDemilo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 02:56 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Then perhaps we want "dominant". |
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patrice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 03:11 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Yes thanks, I should have looked it up first. n/t |
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rebel with a cause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 03:58 AM Response to Original message |
10. Wow oh wow! |
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IntravenousDemilo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 05:14 AM Response to Original message |
12. I understand there's even INTRAracial discrimination within the African American community |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 08:56 AM Response to Reply #12 |
19. due to internalized standards from white society |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
13. K&R |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
14. Racists that are not in power |
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laughingloudly (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 09:18 AM Response to Reply #14 |
22. If you have to have power to be racists...... |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 11:11 AM Response to Reply #22 |
31. So a barbecue is an institution? |
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laughingloudly (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 03:16 PM Response to Reply #31 |
41. Exactly!............. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 03:43 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Would you please show me where I said |
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JacksonWest (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 09:33 AM Response to Reply #14 |
25. Disagree. Racism isn't about power, its about belief. |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 09:35 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. If you have no power, your prejudice never gets the chance to effect others -- |
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JacksonWest (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 09:46 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. "discriminate in a meaningful way" |
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skypilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 12:25 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. hate in the heart |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 10:03 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Why not call it "personal racism" as opposed to "institutional |
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skypilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 11:39 AM Response to Reply #27 |
33. What about the men... |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 11:12 AM Response to Reply #25 |
32. Where did I make the argument that power is racism? |
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JacksonWest (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 02:07 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. You never said power is racism. No one said you did. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 02:13 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. No I didn't. |
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JacksonWest (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 02:46 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. I don't disagree with what you just posted. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. First off, I never made such a claim as in #1. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
18. its the dominant race in the country. dominance in terms of culture/political power &socioeconomic |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
20. Institutional racism ceases to become an issue when .... |
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Katherine Brengle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
23. I think in many ways, the United States present a unique case when it comes to racism -- |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
26. i'LL teLL you how it works in some countries |
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JacksonWest (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
29. I think there will always be racism, everywhere. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
37. The notion that it's only 'racism' if it's "successful" racism appalls me. |
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geardaddy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
38. Having lived in Taiwan (ROC) |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 07:57 PM Response to Reply #38 |
54. A white male |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-09-07 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
47. In reading through this thread, it seems to me that what we are really talking about |
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NuttyFluffers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 09:11 AM Response to Original message |
50. quite easy. think of the circles in a pond ripple... |
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Karenina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Now THAT |
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Dastard Stepchild (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
51. Postcolonial, anti-oppressive theorists argue yes... |
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Colobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 08:06 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Go to Latin America |
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Dastard Stepchild (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-10-07 08:27 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. That's for sure! |
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