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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 04:47 PM
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How did it come to be that we have a Government that can not be trusted to tell the truth?
Subtitle: A short rant

It is the key question in our nation. How did we get to this point, a place in time during which no information provided to us by our Government can be accepted as true on its face? No fact or figure can be relied on, no map can be considered accurate, no spokesperson can be trusted. From national defense to support for the arts to the state of our health or our ability to help our fellows when disaster falls upon them its all hidden, subterfuge, lies.

This is more than an assault on reason. We have no firm point to reason from. Freedom of speech and the press have done nothing for us. How did that happen? What forces have been at play and how did it happen? When did we cease to value truth, demand information, make reasoned decisions? How did the Greatest-Generation morph into the Slave's-To-Debt-Generation, who dumbed us down and where did honesty go?
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 04:53 PM
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1. Not to say it hasn't gotten worse, but did we EVER have a Gov't
that told the truth?

I didn't pay a lot of attention to politics until the last several years, but I know Lyndon Johnson lied about 'Nam, Nixon lied about everything, GH Bush lied about Iran Contra, and the beat goes on.

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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 04:55 PM
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2. And poor ole Gipper didn't remember nuttin' about Iran Contra
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 04:56 PM
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4. Trust the Govt.?
Wow! Look up Gulf of Tonkin Resolution.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 04:56 PM
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5. Because the powers that be understand a vital point
Without accurate information, we are totally dependent upon them for everything, and are unable to distinguish what makes their policies not work when we do not have the facts.

Therefore, we don't know what they are doing, how or why they are doing it, and there is no remedy available other than their plans.
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iamahaingttta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 04:55 PM
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3. It began with the U2 spyplane incident...
...picked up steam with the JFK assassination, Vietnam, Watergate, & the Reagan/Bush era.

Now in the age of Global Corporate Fascism, truth and integrity only get in the way of profit-making, and must be stomped on in an entertaining fashion is order to keep the peasants from revolting.

Something like that?

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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 05:00 PM
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6. Well, it's been that way since 1776.
Has there ever been any government, past or present, that you'd take everything they said at face value?

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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 05:08 PM
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8. In all fairness, could we EVER believe what we were told?
Things were better when we had real investigative reporters. Remember, those guys weren't reporting on truth's being told...they were uncovering LIES!
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 05:06 PM
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7. We lost faith, and when we did, we stopped voting.
The only ones who were left voting were the fanatics and the ill-informed.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 05:08 PM
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9. Remember the "Maine"!
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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 05:10 PM
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10. When corporations and money became more important than upholding the Constitution. n/t
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 05:13 PM
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11. A combination of unreasonable fear and limitless apathy.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 05:21 PM
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12. this from one of Gore Vidals's books
"Lying is an accursed vice. It is only our words which bind us together and make us human. If we realized the horror and weight of lying, we would see that it is more worthy of the stake than other crimes...Once let the tongue acquire the habit of lying and it is astonishing how impossible it is to make it give it up" - Montaigne
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-22-07 05:59 PM
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13. Here's my take , I hope I don't offend the innocent
I truley believe we always had no true government , granted it was never this criminal in extent .

I do have to say this part . I does take the mindset of the population because the government alone could not do all of this without co-operation and willful decete .

There are many citizens who work and many who willfully take advantage of others , some of this is just the nature of the job , certainly this does not make it right but it is common practice .

I know millions or I would even go as far as to say everyone has been ripped off in one way or another when dealing with getting anything done that has to do with their personal possessions , whether their car , home , appliances , you name it .

This is the mindset that builds as the guilt for these bad dealings overcomes better judgement , a conscience , morals , whatever you call it , fades away and becomes acceptable practice .

I see the difference between now and 40 years ago . It may be a chain reaction of payback where one bad deal spawns the next victim whether or not the new victim had anything to do with the first mind crime .

On a larger scale corporations which lets face it are made up of people have gone out of control without regulations . It's all in the mindset that has fallen down to what were once unacceptable levels to acceptable levels , little white lies or what they don't know won't hurt them .

Well , you see what I'm leading to here .

I seems that honesty as taught will get you nowhere and in truth in the real world it doesn't , not anymore .

People on all levels feel if they can get away with it then why not .

Is this the evolution of man , it's always been here but has gotten worst ?

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