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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 03:07 AM
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U.S. to leave Cheyenne MOUNTAIN, Colo. even as Russia flexes muscle


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070822/pl_nm/usa_military_cheyenne_dc;_ylt=Auk975gaFZappkERkP.Rzz1h24cA


U.S. to leave Cheyenne even as Russia flexes muscle

By Kristin Roberts Wed Aug 22, 1:17 PM ET

CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN, Colo. (Reuters) - The U.S. military will move its secure command center from deep inside Cheyenne Mountain even as Russia revives military maneuvers that led America to burrow under the rock almost 50 years ago.


Construction on a new command center 12 miles away at Peterson Air Force Base is well under way despite security concerns that have driven some lawmakers to consider halting funding for the transition.

The move will shift more than 100 people responsible for detecting attacks on North America from a facility that sits under 2,000 feet of granite to a basement in an office building on the base that officials concede offers lower protection.

Air Force Gen. Gene Renuart, the U.S. commander responsible for homeland defense and protecting North American air space, says the switch is worth the risk of leaving a facility built to withstand the indirect effects of a multi-megaton nuclear blast.

It will combine operations now divided between Cheyenne and Peterson, helping the commander to receive information and respond to crises or attacks more quickly, Renuart said. It will not, however, save money as the military promised, congressional investigators have shown.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 03:13 AM
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1. Meanwhile...America rots from the inside out.
Edited on Thu Aug-23-07 03:13 AM by BeHereNow
It's obscene how much money they spend on war mongering
while Katrina victims STILL languish in deplorable conditions.
(Have I mentioned how disgusted I am with the state of our nation?
We have NO say in anything anymore...)
BHN
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133724 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 03:45 AM
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2. You mean the Stargate is shutting down?????
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kedrys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 07:34 AM
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17. That's the first thing I thought too!!
SG-C is getting laid off! :rofl:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 01:10 PM
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22. Oh no. It just moved to Area 51 and Atlantis.
:rofl:
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 04:05 AM
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3. "Construction on a new command center 12 miles away at Peterson Air Force Base
is well under way despite security concerns that have driven some lawmakers to consider halting funding for the transition."

If they *really* wanted it to be secure.... why the F**K did they give away the location?????
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 04:10 AM
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4. !
:tinfoilhat:
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 04:20 AM
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5. What are they going to move INTO the mountain?
Or is that a tinfoil question?
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 05:09 AM
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9. Nukular waste?
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 05:24 AM
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10. ..Cheney.....?
:rofl:
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 07:24 AM
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15. Robert Murray. And he'll be given a lamp, a pickaxe, and six hours of water. (NT)
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 04:20 AM
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6. General Renuart wants the operation close by where he can stroll through every day.
Makes people like him feel big and important. That's what's going on. It's just that simple.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 04:23 AM
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7. I suspect you're right, and it is just that simple. nm
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 07:26 AM
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16. Amazingly, I know Gen Renuart personally
He was my Wing Commander in Germany

He wasn't a bad guy back then
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 12:05 PM
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20. Small world, Mr Scorpio
Pleasedtameetcha. Thanks for your service.

Lasher
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clixtox Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 04:52 AM
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8. WOW! Finally a perfect, already made repository for...

All of our accumulating nuclear waste!

It's an ill wind indeed that blows no good...

Nice central location!

I would imagine that all of the Cheyenne Mountain neighbors in that part of Colorado are patriotic enough to "take one for the team"?
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 06:51 AM
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11. Russians flexing muscle?
Considering that we spend vastly greater sums on military stuff than the Russians (we spend as much as the rest of the world combined). I really don't think a few long range flights by Russian bombers are much to be concerned about. This is at best a poke with a stick by our Russian Allies.

:boring:



Now wasting money on yet another miliatry project is an issue....


:spank:
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 07:00 AM
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12. New facility less secure
It can't be protected from nuclear, chemical or biological attack, so what's the point in moving?

from the linked article in OP...

"Speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of harm to their careers, they say the new command center at Peterson cannot be protected from nuclear, chemical or biological attack and its systems will not be sufficiently hardened against an electromagnetic pulse from a nuclear blast overhead.

A former senior defense official who led Pentagon efforts to close unneeded military bases said Cheyenne is one of just three facilities the United States should never close."
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 07:20 AM
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14. What would be the POINT of surviving a nuclear attack inside Cheyene Mountain, anyway?
Eventually, you will stil have to crawl to the surface into what will probably be the most radioactive crater on the entire planet.

That's assuming you could even get the door open to get out.

On the slim chance you survived the attack.

What would be the point?

"Yay! We survived! Now let's walk through the crater until the flesh falls off our bones!"


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BadgerLaw2010 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 08:34 AM
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18. Cheyenne Mountain can't survive a direct nuclear hit either.
It was designed when ICBM accuracy was poor and warheads were smaller.

The Soviets were planning on dropping a few 26 *megaton* warheads on it in the event of war. There wouldn't have been much left, put it that way.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 07:14 AM
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13. That's because they already have the secret Moonraker space station...
where Bush and all those GOP officials who have "resigned to spend more time with their families" will go to ride-out The Apocalypse.






Yes, I'm kidding.

I think.
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 11:52 AM
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19. You're kidding?
Your thoughts were the ones I was going to post, but you already posted them. Professor Hawking even proposed seeding humanity on a new planet elsewhere as a survival tactic.

How many years have there been classified space shuttle missions? Wasn't that flying brick built in the late 70s?

Why wouldn't the Military Industrial Complex have a battle star in space? Because the ETs with their superior technology won't allow it?
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 12:59 PM
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21. I guess Cheney needs a new "undisclosed location," huh?
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 01:30 PM
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23. Cheyenne Mountain is not secure now anyway
When it was built, it was reasonable to expect that it could survive a poorly directed nuclear attack by fifties/sixties nuclear weapons. These days with pinpoint nuclear strikes and warheads which are far, far more destructive, Pike's Peak probably couldn't even survive, let alone Cheyenne Mountain. If they think they can save money by moving down the road to Peterson, that's their prerogative. In nuclear armageddon, both sites are equally doomed.
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