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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 09:51 AM
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Joe Trippi: Rove is attacking Clinton, because he is scared of Edwards

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/08/23/is-john-edwards-karl-roves-worst-nightmare/

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Well, Joe Trippi, one of former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards' top strategists, thinks he knows the answer: Rove "doesn't want John Edwards to win the Democratic nomination."

"Rove knows that Democrats will rally around whomever he attacks—so he attacks the candidate he thinks Republicans can most easily defeat," Trippi wrote to supporters in a fundraising e-mail. "It may seem backwards, but Rove and his cronies did the same thing last time around. In 2004, they were scared of John Edwards, so they attacked John Kerry."

"Rove is using his sneaky, underhanded tactics to try and trick Democrats into rallying around a candidate who won't be as strong as John in the general election," Trippi added.

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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 09:52 AM
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1. Joe is a wise man.
NGU.


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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 10:04 AM
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11. Really? I'd call him just another one of the "Washington Insider-Typeps" DU'ers love to hate
Trippi is trying desperately to convince the Left Edwards is a Populist.

It's kind of sickening to watch DU'ers actually buying the phoney image Edwards tries to pull off.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 10:19 AM
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12. I guess you're right. Karl Rove is an honest man.
:rofl:

NGU.


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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 12:41 PM
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31. Because Trippi is a hack, Rove is an honest man? OK, whatever you say.
:eyes:
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 10:29 AM
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15. as opposed to the phoney image the two corporate-designated shills
are trying to portray?
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 10:52 AM
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18. Amen!!
One needs only to look at Johnny's voting records to confirm every bit of what you say.

Edwards can't win the general election. Even my very libral MIL says he's too wishy-washy.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 12:35 PM
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29. care to discuss Edwards legal background????
What type of lawyer was he exactly????

:shrug:
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 03:39 PM
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33. He was a trial lawyer
He supposedly took cases where he supported the underdog against corportaions. It is likely more complicated - He was good an dmade a huge fortune. He got money for many people who deserved it. His method in at least case disturbed me. He channeled the words at birth of a child born brain damaged. I really like cases to be won or lost on the merits.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 09:54 AM
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2. It's all spin to me.
Trippi did such a great job for Dean. :eyes:
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 09:55 AM
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4. I agree with you on that. why people would listen to his ass after he effed up Dean's
campaign is beyond me. He should go away quietly and start a worm farm. I'll never forgive him for messing with Dean.
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 09:55 AM
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3. I actually agree to a certain extent,
but since this comes *from the Edwards camp* a whoppin' big grain of salt is in order.

And in 2004, nobody went after Kerry to distract from Edwards. That's utter bullshit. They were afraid of Dean.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 10:54 AM
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20. he also quoted a piece with Dowd (a Rove lieutenant) admitting that in late
Edited on Thu Aug-23-07 10:55 AM by jsamuel
January that they attacked Kerry because they were afraid of Edwards. In late January, Dean was already out.

Plus, Rove denied it, so it must be true.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 03:42 PM
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34. Can people here remember this huge Republican attack?
Kerry was the front runner when this started, so it makes sense Bush would attack, but the biggest attack was the intern affair - with no intern or affair - that was spread by Democrats.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 09:57 AM
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5. I don't think that spin is going to work.
Edwards has been ignored because the media is not really interested about his campaign.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 11:01 AM
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22. And why would the *corporate* media not be "interested" in Edwards' campaign?
Maybe because they also want to keep Edwards at bay too... Doesn't serve their corporate agenda to allow it to grow.
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 11:48 PM
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39. You can't get any more "corporate" than being senior advisor to a global investment firm.
Maybe our corporate owned media doesn’t acknowledge Edwards because Edwards’ financial interests aren’t the same as the owners of FOX, NBC, ABC, CBS and CNN.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 11:07 AM
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24. Edwards has been leading in Iowa for a long time
And the corporate media continues to ignore him. They've been giving front-runner status to Hillary because of her national polls, which at this point mean dick. She's well-known and she'll get the early numbers.

Edwards speaks out about the deep divisions and double standards that exist between the rich and the poor in America. This scares corporate types shitless, since it is they who are working diligently to destroy the middle class and turn America into a plantation-state.

Make no mistake. There is a well-focused effort by the corporate right to undermine Edwards' campaign. The haircut bullshit, the "Breck Girl" meme, ignoring his good polling in early primary states, etc., is all part of the plan to marginalize a "dangerous" candidate who doesn't suck at the corporate teat.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 06:14 PM
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36. Bingo.
NGU.


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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 09:57 AM
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6. Political sleight of hand. Attention to the right hand to take your attention off the left one.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 09:57 AM
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7. I remember how disappointed I was when I was told Trippi was
Howard Dean's chief straategist when he ran for Prez. Trippi is not stupid, but his track record is sure NOT GOOD!

Check out his former clients!

Joe Trippi is a long-time American Democratic campaign worker and consultant. A mainstay in presidential politics, Trippi has worked on the presidential campaigns of Edward Kennedy, Walter Mondale, Gary Hart, and Dick Gephardt. Most notably, he served as campaign manager for presidential candidate and former Vermont governor Howard Dean.

He is currently working for the presidential campaign of former Senator John Edwards.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Trippi
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 09:59 AM
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8. I agree with Mr Trippi's assertion.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 10:00 AM
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9. Yeah, that's the ticket ... (not)
What a wacky, convoluted piece of drivel ... a conspiracy theory for the truly desperate.

But then, it's Joe Trippi.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 10:03 AM
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10. So glad Joe's back in the game, keeping issues at the forefront
...not.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 10:22 AM
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13. Worst spin of the day
C'mon. No one is attacking Edwards because he isn't a threat to anyone.

If his poll numbers were to go up, and if the candidates then started attacking him, what would Trippi say then???
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 10:23 AM
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14. FYI
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 10:30 AM
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16. Joe is a schmuck
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 10:51 AM
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17. I think joes trippin. i believe they try to take out whomever they fear most.
they took out dean early. i think because they were most afraid of him. then they moved on to attacking the next highest on the list.
rove doesnt play a circular game, he always goes for the throat.
whoever they are spending the most effort to take out is the one they most want to take down right then.

so the idea that they are attacking hillary to get to edwards to me seems like wishful thinking from someone who prefers john over clinton.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 10:53 AM
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19. Did it to Dean, too.
When Rove said he wasn't scared of Dean in the 2004 campaign, I knew he was the one we should've picked.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 03:47 PM
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35. Nonsense -
Dean imploded in January. They claim to have started this attack on Kerry in late January - by that time Kerry had Iowa and NH in the bag. Kerry already had momentum.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-24-07 09:15 AM
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45. Rove said that about Dean at the end of October.
I remember because I was canvassing houses at the time. This was long before the Dean Scream (that wasn't--I talked to someone who'd been there) or anything else.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 10:58 AM
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21. Another tactic the MSM will figure out far too late
Just like the "attack their strength" tactic, which was suddently obvious to them the day after the 2004 election.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 11:03 AM
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23. eggsactly.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 11:19 AM
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25. Nobody did as much as to destroy the Dean campaign as Trippi.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 11:30 AM
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26. I'm not sure about anything but
that's what the pukeheads did down in Florida when jeb's snout was running against Reno and McBride..they attacked McBride in the primary like they were :scared: of him and it turns out it was Reno they didn't want to run against. I can see why. McBride wasn't a fighter..he folded real easy.

Was rove's snout involved in jeeby's campaign? his tactics?
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 12:14 PM
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27. I agree with his analysis -- most of Rove's moves are pretty transparent and elementary. ...
...Giving an interview to one of the Sunday morning talking heads this last weekend, Karl butchered Patrick Fitzgerald's name again in a silly attempt to condescend, show disrespect, and somehow suggest that his unprecedented five trips to the Justice Department to testify didn't sweat him at all -- can't even remember the guys name? Yeah right. This demonstrates the opposite is likely true. Fitzgerald must've been weighing very heavily on Karl's mind and causing plenty of stressful nights, probably for months.
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Laurab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 12:24 PM
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28. I think Rove is attacking Clinton because he wants her to win the primary.
It has nothing to do with Edwards, or anyone else. Rove knows Hillary would be the best get-out-the-vote candidate the repugs ever had, it's as simple as that. It's probably the only way the repukes could possibly win the election - Obama, Edwards, hell, even Biden, Dodd, Richardson would probably win handily. Kucinich I think is doubtful, but you never know. The only real strategy the repukes need is to get Hillary the nomination, and that's all there is to it IMO.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 08:50 PM
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38.  I couple of weeks ago
DU was abuzz with the theory that Karl Rove WASN'T attacking Hillary because he wanted her to be the nominee.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 12:39 PM
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30. Conmen look smart
when the marks are so dumb and obtuse you can take ANY tack and make it work. Attack Clinotn and it rallies the GOp and weakens her on fact. In fact it contrarily strengthens her chance to solidify a doubting, tepid base support and create a story, a set game and drama. Each group hears what the conman WANTS them to hear and this "risky" sideplaying is adjudicated by a Rove pocket media giiiving this strategy full and extra support.

Anyone arguing that Rove considers Hillary a sure thing and is just launching the typical GOP attack already want Hillary to win no matter what the other implications are. It certainly doesn't mean that he deep down thinks she is the most formidable foe. He dares to throw in our faces the truth that she is not, goes fatther to say she is a disaster, which works both as a taunt and instiller of doubt. If this is a ruse they too are willing allies. The hard truth for Edwards' supporters might be that by this point Hillary IS a sure thing, but then he wouldn't bother to keep the pot boiling only for the benefit of messing with the Dem primary system. They don't really like risks unless they are necessary. they want Hillary, they want a GOP rally and they want her weak. Rove does not really have to try hard or smart for the win/win on this one.

Everything adds up to the whole set of motivations. Editing to interpret actual Rove fear of Hillary or real attempt to defeat her in the primaries is a fantastic stretch even if he were a complete idiot. He is only a partial idiot who knows his media support, polticians of both parties be damned about their worries.

EDwards is conspicuous in the editing out of his role in the media horse race. It is meant to be a invisible thing so it is frustrating to argue this is intentional out of fear. Just like hidden e-voting. But I believe this poster is correct. The past attempts were not always so clear or effective but mainly they intend to mcuk up our choice and manoeuver the most probable, calculated, predictable loser they can into the "winner's" circle. Such a "winner" never gets the idea how exactly Rove leant a helping hand which is the whole point of the manipulation.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 01:36 PM
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32. Makes sense. nt
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 06:20 PM
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37. No doubt about it. Edwards is the easy win. Rove wants us to pick Hillary.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 11:50 PM
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40. I read BS before and this is 100%BS
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 11:56 PM
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41. Edwards would just be another repeat of Kerry, an electoral failure
Edited on Thu Aug-23-07 11:57 PM by KingFlorez
I don't think Rove is worried about him, Clinton and Obama are the only two should the Republicans have to worry about. Clinton is a formidable candidate and Rove knows it, I don't think he has any hidden reasons behind attacking.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-23-07 11:57 PM
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42. So, let me see...
Edited on Thu Aug-23-07 11:58 PM by Canuckistanian
Rove says Clinton is a powerful candidate BUT she's "fatally flawed".

Hmm, we think. We hate Rove, so we must do the opposite of what Rove thinks! Yes! That's the ticket!

Then, keeping this valuable piece of information in our minds come primary time, we elect Hillary because we want to foil Rove at all costs!

It's brilliant!

What a genius that Rove is. It's no wonder he beat the Democrats time and time again.

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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-24-07 12:12 AM
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43. Just proves he's still um... . . . . . . . .not nearly worthy of the hype that once upon a time
surrounded him. Smelly drunk.
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-24-07 02:09 AM
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44. Hillary guarantees highest GOP voter turnout. n/t
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