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Aviation Pro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 09:57 AM Original message |
Could Air Travel Inconvenience Drive Passengers Back To The Rails? |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
1. Rail travel is FAR more energy efficient. We should have a national rail program. |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:17 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. And FAR more expensive: |
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Aviation Pro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:27 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Not doubting your assertion here regarding price.... |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:28 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. But I don't think people are really advocating rail for transcon trips.... |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:40 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. The overnights: NYC-Chi, DC-Bost, DC-Atlanta, Atlanta-Houston work well. nt |
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Aviation Pro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:32 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Also.... |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:45 AM Response to Reply #11 |
20. That's why a number of airlines are opting for more regional jets |
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Aviation Pro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:55 AM Response to Reply #20 |
25. I know of no regional, Part 121 airline that goes into.... |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:06 AM Response to Reply #25 |
32. Sure... |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:57 AM Response to Reply #20 |
27. There are huge subsidies for small airports: JohnstownPA, Utica NY. nt |
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Aviation Pro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:59 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Yep, John Murtha Airport in Johnstown.... |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:39 AM Response to Reply #7 |
14. The airlines - and airports - receive far greater subsidies than Amtrak. nt |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:19 AM Response to Reply #14 |
34. I'm curious as to how much more...could you post some add'l info? |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 04:38 PM Response to Reply #34 |
46. I know at one point taxpayers subsidized EVERY ticket landing in Utica by $200. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:19 AM Response to Reply #7 |
35. WAS-SEA Roundtrip ... $308 (coach, without meals or sleeping accom) |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 03:54 PM Response to Reply #7 |
40. People travel or freight travel? A TV advert I saw a month ago is almost smug in how |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
2. We need to restore the full train system we had |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:03 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. No more overnight sleeper from DC to Boston! When I come to power, no more... |
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blues90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:09 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. I would love to see the old rail systems back in force |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
4. If we had rail transportation to be driven back to...... |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:42 AM Response to Reply #4 |
16. Only 3 trains a day? Insane! MARC btwn Balt & DC doesn't run on weekends. nt |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:44 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Yeah, I don't get the MARC weekends thing..... |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:45 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. At minimum they should run it when Balt plays DC in football/baseball. nt |
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CurtEastPoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
6. The national rail advocay group is... |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
8. Another thing rail could do |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:43 AM Response to Reply #8 |
17. YES! More autotrains! And give Starbucks/Krispy Kreme their own dining car. nt |
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AlCzervik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
12. when i fly anywhere now i set my expectations to low, if it's better than that |
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Parche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
13. Amtrak |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:44 AM Response to Reply #13 |
19. They got rid of individ sleeper compartments. The teensie ones btwn DC-Chi have been gone longer. |
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Parche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:48 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Superliners |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:55 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. The 'singles' on the East Coast have two beds in them. |
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Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
23. It's like abortion: you don't take away the right (of long distance travel); you just make it a |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
24. No |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
29. Why, I'd be more than happy to fly the airlines |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 03:52 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. In 1975, Air Jamaica had in-flight fashion shows |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
30. For passenger service, neither can really do the work of the other... |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
31. The only thing I got against trains is |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:07 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. and low clearances.. I drive an 18 wheeler.. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
36. Didn't the oil-auto tycoons kill passenger rail? nt |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 12:28 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Mass transit, not the railroads so much. They bought up streetcars, etc. nt |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 03:10 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. But mass transit used to be electric cars and the oil-auto kings killed that |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 04:24 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Yes, they did. They wanted to put people in cars. nt |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 04:25 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. So I was right. The oil-auto barons killed the rails not mass transit. nt |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 04:35 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. No, they killed mass transit. Oil and GM, etc. bought streetcar systems. |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 05:15 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. And they killed passenger rail to make way for autos and air travel. nt |
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AnnieBW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
41. We need those bullet trains |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 04:31 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. or the German ICE that can run on regular and high-speed rail segments... |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 04:40 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Yes and no. Current Amtrak trains can go over 100mph. The problem is pop density & track quality |
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Babsbrain (536 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
49. The infrastructure needs fixing. |
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Zech Marquis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
50. I prefer taking amtrak myself |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 05:56 PM Response to Original message |
51. It drove me to the roads. |
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