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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 08:03 AM
Original message
Agent Mike a D.U. urban legend or a real person?
Edited on Sat Aug-25-07 08:06 AM by Botany
The junta that came to power after the coup of 2000 must have better things
to do than have somebody read D.U. to look for "threats" to those unelected
thugs in Washington D.C..

Questions:

Where did the name "Agent Mike" come from?

What branch of government does he work for?

Has anybody seen proof of "Agent Mike?"

Can we get FOIA suit going to find out if he is real or not?



SECRET AGENT MIKE


(P.F. Sloan / S. Barri)

There's a man who leads a life of danger
To everyone he meets he stays a stranger
With every move he makes another chance he takes
Odds are he won't live to see tomorrow

Secret agent MIke, secret agent MIke
They've given you a number and taken away your name

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 08:06 AM
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1. It's a name many agents are told to use
if they are questioned by a citizen as to their name (no joke).
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 10:17 AM
Response to Reply #1
36. I'm posting this high on the thread so everyone can see - AGENT MIKE LEVINE
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 10:32 AM
Response to Reply #36
39. Thanks, I did see it.
Also, take note of my post #12.
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 08:07 AM
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2. Didn't this originate from one of Bev Harris' rantings?
I think she tried to convince everyone that she was being monitored by the CIA, or FBI or something, and this kinda all morphed into "Agent Mike". But I could be wrong.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 08:15 AM
Response to Reply #2
11. I think you're correct! I remember it being somewhat tongue in cheek
but had forgotten the Bev Harris angle.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 09:58 AM
Response to Reply #11
30. the current version is tongue and cheek - the original
was borne out of BH paranoia.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #30
37. Are you sure of that, salin? Just because Bev was reprehensible (if she was)
does not necessarily invalidate 100% of what she asserted was true over the course of two years.

Check out my post #33 for more info.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #37
44. It's been well established that woman is a grifter. n/t
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 08:07 AM
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3. The true story might
be found in the introduction that Arlo Guthrie often used when dedicating his song about The Pause of Mr. Claus. Others believe it is found in the dedication that Arlo used when introducing the song.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 08:10 AM
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8. I used a phrase from "the Pause of Mr. Claus"
Edited on Sat Aug-25-07 08:29 AM by mmonk
in the other agent Mike thread today. It's the one where I said he couldn't reveal himself because he would have to be sent back to the factory.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 08:18 AM
Response to Reply #8
13. I will look
for it. That intro/song is one of the most hilarious things I've ever heard.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 08:19 AM
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14. I'll add I got it from a live recording of Arlo
in which he asked if there were any FBI agents in the audience.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 08:22 AM
Response to Reply #14
15. I used to
have a tape of him doing it live .... he asked the question, then noted that they couldn't answer, 'cause then their friends would know .... "their not really your friends, are they?"
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 08:23 AM
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16. Yep
Edited on Sat Aug-25-07 09:00 AM by mmonk
:rofl:

That's it.
Then he says you can't say nothing. Cause then you'd have to be sent back to the factory. And that's a drag for you, an expense for the government.....
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 08:25 AM
Response to Reply #16
17. The tape I had
also had the very best version of the pickle song that I've ever heard.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 08:38 AM
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19. The record I have
Edited on Sat Aug-25-07 08:38 AM by mmonk
(still have a lot of vinyl from the period and a record player) was a collection of different antiwar recordings. I like a song on it that has in it's refrain or beginning " I ride the leftwing airlines, stirring up peace creeps at nights". It's a wonder I can still remember lines since I haven't listened to it in years.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 08:43 AM
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21. I bought one
of the "old fashioned" turn-tables a year or so ago, because I have a heck of a record collection, but had no way to enjoy it. My children are amazed at the quantity and quality of music from the 1960s and early '70s.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 09:27 AM
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26. I have an audiophile cousin who convinced me years ago...
that CD/digital formats would always be inherently inferior. His sound systems features the best of all available systems for all the various formats and exceeds anything I'd pay (for a HOUSE, LOL). But, I'm convinced that investing in a good vinyl cleaning system and storing them appropriately, playing on a good turntable will render the sound that CD's can never achieve... Good on you, H20Man for holding on to them...:toast:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 09:45 AM
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27. Did you buy it from an individual or is there a company that sells them?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 09:50 AM
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29. A store.
I see them in a number of stores, and also in some catalogs. It's not anything fancy, just a standard little thing. But, it allows me to listen to a lot of good music! I have seen ones that allow you to record albums onto CDs, too.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 10:06 AM
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31. I'd like one that records my albums to CDs.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 08:44 AM
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22. Here's the Pause of Mr. Claus
The Pause of Mr. Claus
words and music by Arlo Guthrie

This next song we're going to dedicate to a great American
organization. Tonight I'd like to dedicate this to our boys
in the FBI.

Well, wait a minute. It's hard to be an FBI man. I mean, first
of all, being an FBI man, you have to be over 40 years old.
And the reason is that it takes at least 25 years with the
organization to be that much of a bastard. It's true. You just
can't join, you know. It needs an atmosphere where your
natural bastardness can grow and develop and take a
meaningful shape in today's complex society.

But that's not why I want to dedicate the song to the FBI. I
mean, the job that they have to do is a drag. I mean, they have
to follow people around, you know. That's part of their job.
Follow me around.

I'm out on the highway and I'm drivin' down the road and I
run out of gasoline. I pull over to the side of the road. They
gotta pull over too - make believe that they ran out, you
know.

I go to get some gasoline. They have to figure out whether
they should stick with the car or follow me. Suppose I don't
come back and they're stayin' with the car.

Or if I fly on the airplanes, I could fly half fare because I'm 12
to 22. And they gotta pay the full fare. But the thing is that
when you pay the full fare, you have to get on the airplane
first, so that they know how many seats are left over for the
half fare kids. Right? And sometimes there aren't any seats
left over, and sometimes there are, but that doesn't mean that
you have to go.

Suppose that he gets on and fills up the last seat, so you can't
get on. Then he gets off then you can get on. What's he gonna
do?

Well, it's a drag for him. But that's not why I want to dedicate
the song to the FBI.

During these hard days and hard weeks, everybody always
has it bad once in a while. You know, you have a bad time of
it, and you always have a friend who says "Hey man, you
ain't got it that bad. Look at that guy." And you at that
guy, and he's got it worse than you. And it makes you feel
better that there's somebody that's got it worse than you.

But think of the last guy. For one minute, think of the last
guy. Nobody's got it worse than that guy. Nobody in the
whole world. That guy...he's so alone in the world that he
doesn't even have a street to lay in for a truck to run him over.
He's out there with nothin'. Nothin's happenin' for that cat.

And all that he has to do to create a little excitement in his
own life is to bum a dime from somewhere, call up the FBI.
Say "FBl?", they say "Yes", say "I think Uncle Ho and Chair-
man Mao and their friends are comin' over for dinner" (click)
Hang up the phone.

And within two minutes, and not two minutes from when he
hangs up the phone, but two minutes from when he first put
the dime in, they got 30,000 feet of tape rollin'; files on tape;
pictures, movies, dramas, actions on tape. But then they send
out a half a million people all over the entire world, the globe,
they find out all they can about this guy.

'Cause there's a number of questions involved in the guy. I
mean, if he was the last guy in the world, how'd he get a dime
to call the FBI? There are plenty of people that aren't the last
guys that can't get dimes. He comes along and he gets a dime.

I mean, if he had to bum a dime to call the FBI, how was he
gonna serve dinner for all of those people? How could the
last guy make dinner for all those people. And if he could
make dinner, and was gonna make dinner, then why did he
call the FBI?

They find out all of those questions within two minutes. And
that's a great thing about America. I mean, this is the only
country in the world...l mean, well, it's not the only country
in the world that could find stuff out in two minutes, but it's
the only country in the world that would take two minutes
for that guy.

Other countries would say "Hey, he's the last guy...screw
him", you know? But in America, there is no discrimination,
and there is no hypocrisy,'cause they'll get anybody. And that's
a wonderful thing about America.

And that's why tonight I'd like to dedicate it to every FBI
man in the audience. I know you can't say nothin', you know,
you can't get up and say "Hi!" cause then everybody knows
that you're an FBI man and that's a drag for you and your
friends.

They're not really your friends, are they? I mean, so you can't
get up and say nothin' 'cause other wise, you gotta get sent
back to the factory and that's a drag for you and it's an
expense for the government, and that's a drag for you.

We're gonna sing you this Christmas carol. It's for all you
bastards out there in the audience tonight. It's called "The
Pause of Mr. Claus".

Why do you sit there so strange?
Is it because you are beautiful?
You must think you are deranged
Why do police guys beat on peace guys?

You must think Santa Clause weird
He has long hair and a beard
Giving his presents for free
Why do police guys mess with peace guys?

Let's get Santa Clause 'cause;
Santa Clause has a red suit
He's a communist
And a beard, and long hair
Must be a pacifist
What's in the pipe that he's smoking?

Mister Clause sneaks in your home at night.
He must be a dope fiend, to put you up tight
Why do police guys beat on peace guys?

©1968,1969 Appleseed Music Inc. (ASCAP)


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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 08:08 AM
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4. IIRC
The name Agent Mike came in when DU was involved with Bev Harris (don't ask, seriously).

He has come to stand for whoever monitors DU for the Federal Government. To think that no one does is remarkably naive and no proof is required..

Some of us with honest friends and family in the Federal workforce like to think that we are bringing him around to the side of Truth, Justice and the American Way!
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 08:08 AM
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5. Here's a story, about an agent, whose name was really really Mike (oh yeah!)
You can imagine where Agent Carol came from... :evilgrin:

Wait, is that the pic of both of them in your OP? :9 I'm glad Agent Alice isn't in there... she's too busy handling Sam's loins in his meat market. His prices really were competitive...

In seriousness, you're probably being a teensy bit paranoid.

But in double seriousness, beware of Agent Cindy. She's got a lisp and has a real problem with being a tattletale...

:evilgrin:

:hide:

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In_The_Wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 08:46 AM
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24. Oh My!

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 08:09 AM
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6. O he's real. For sure. He lives in a basement apartment with
Jim Morrison in Hamilton, Ohio.

They order a lot of pizzas.

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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 08:09 AM
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7. No fair, you're using a Paul Gulacy pic of Nick Fury
I refuse to believe that an Agent of Shield would spy on us.


They're the good guys!
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 08:12 AM
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9. Well, Agent Mike might be... ONE OF US AT THIS VERY TABLE RIGHT NOW!
"bum-bum-BUMMMMM!!!"

Let the paranoid hysteria begin!:D:D
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 08:13 AM
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10. Maybe his real name is Oliver...
Cousin Oliver...

:hide:
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 10:12 AM
Response to Reply #9
34. Maybe we are convincing him!
He'll become a Democrat!!!

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 08:17 AM
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12. In a speech I have on DVD
where Barbara Olshansky was talking to people about her office being swamped with calls from people whereby they had family members that disappeared after 9/11 (taken by authorities). In that speech, she said she asked the family members if they had names of any of the people that took their loved ones and she was repeatedly given "they said their name was Agent Mike".
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 09:47 AM
Response to Reply #12
28. I'll add Barbara works for the Center for Constitutional Rights.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 08:35 AM
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18. I found the link!!!! here's the thread that started it all....
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 08:39 AM
Response to Reply #18
20. Gracious.
I always made a point to avoid reading by or about her. I see that I made the right choice.
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 10:26 AM
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38. What I can't believe is
the number of prominent DUers names who replied to that post who are no longer here...and they were real active. Wow...
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 08:45 AM
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23. Face it, it's a damn certainty that they keep track of ALL boards like this
one. Daily Kos, Huffington Post, whatever. All they have to do is sign up. But what it means, how often they do it, what they keep track of, who knows?

Maybe they come here for the hilarity of the Hils/Barrie wars. I tell you, since they starting campaigning the comedy relief around this place has skyrocketed.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 09:23 AM
Response to Reply #23
25. Free Republic too, no doubts at all.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 10:11 AM
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32. It's a joke and a metaphor
Though I'm not sure I agree they have "better things to do" than to monitor DU. Not to arrest DUers, but to monitor what the "enemy" is saying. It would fit with the kind of mentality you generally find on the right.

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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 10:16 AM
Response to Reply #32
35. No joke, pal. See my link below.
And, thanks to Modern Data Mining Techniques coupled with exponential increases in computing power, it actually doesn't take that much "people-hours" to program something to scan DU forums and flag suspicious messages.

One only has to tweak the parameters and loosen or tighten them to search.

Be carfeul of using outmoded thinking that technology has superseded.

Computing power is 10X of what it was 5 years ago, 100X what it was 10 years ago, and 10,000,000,000X what it was 30 years ago.

Think about it.

THAT is the single biggest, and in my opinion fatal, flaw in your argument.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 10:37 AM
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41. what would they flag?
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 10:12 AM
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33. MUCH MORE INFO AND A LINK - AGENT MIKE LEVINE
http://www.seattleweekly.com/2004-05-19/news/www-bigbrother-gov.php

This gives MUCH more information.

Now, I do not wish to say I am either endorsing or condemning Bev Harris. I don't know all the facts about her falling out with DU.

But whatever one thinks of her personally, here is more concrete info on Agent Mike Levine, who probably IS a real person, whether he is assigned to watch DU or not currently (someone almost certainly is, as Hypno Toad pointed out).

I also understand that it's possible Seattle Weekly was tricked into printing false allegations, but could they get away with printing lies in a big city weekly that tens of thousands likely read ABOUT THE BUSHIE GOVERNMENT?

I do not know, but I believe this post adds something to the discussion.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 10:42 AM
Response to Reply #33
42. the single source for that article, per the incident, is BH
granted I only skimmed the article, but I was looking for a single confirmation of the story beyond BH, and didn't see it.

At the time this was written, BHs credibility was not yet being questioned, so there would have been no reason for the SW to be skeptical of only a single source for the story.

BH, to my reading, lost credibility a long time ago. If one finds an item with any outside confirmation, than I will certainly reconsider my opinion of the incident.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 12:05 PM
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43. But can one assume that a paper like Seattle Weekly failed to make a single call?
Edited on Sat Aug-25-07 12:06 PM by tom_paine
Esoecially when printing something so inflammatory as that?

Could they have gotten away with it if no such person as Mike Levine existed, which would have been easily confirmed with a single call.

Certainly I cannot say, ESPECIALLY IN THE CURRENT BUSHWORLD OF DISINFORMATION AND LIES, Maybe it happened just like people speculate, certainly Bev's credibility is far beyond damaged.

But I wonder, if any actuallytried to track down Cybercrimes and Agent Levine, if they would be successful in finding such?
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 10:36 AM
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40. So, curious minds need to know....what happened to Bev Harris?
Why is she no longer on DU?
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 06:56 PM
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45. Agent_Mike, Agent Mike, AgentMike
How do we know we have the correct Agent Mike?


Doing a search, there are several Agent profiles...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles



:eyes:
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