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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:48 PM
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Important update from Carl Levin's Committee hearing
Lori Perdue just called me from a hearing room in the Senate. She will call back with more info, but she said "SOMEONE JUST TESTIFIED THAT THE INFORMATION ON THE LEADUP TO THE WAR WAS COOKED."

This was Carl Levin's Committee hearing. Lori said she just burst into tears.

She said to me, "Look what we did." With all our work we made them tell the truth.

She is going to call me back with the name of the person who gave the testimony.


Posted by: karen at February 9, 2007 11:51 AM

http://www.democracycellproject.net/blog/archives/2007/02/i_have_reverted.html#comments

About Lori:

http://www.democracycellproject.net/blog/archives/2007/02/meet_lori_perdu.html

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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:50 PM
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1. The beginning of justice I hope.
*snif* Recommending.
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:51 PM
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2. Is this hearing broadcast anywhere? nt
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:59 PM
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9. Doesn't look like it
at least not that I can find including the Committee's website. :shrug:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:51 PM
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3. Kick
Edited on Fri Feb-09-07 12:52 PM by spanone
You'd think some honest soul would come fortha at some point with an inkling of truth.

Maybe there were no honest souls.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:52 PM
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4. Not faulting you
You're only passing this along, and many thanks. From Lori, it might be nice to get a few more details.
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:53 PM
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5. That someone is the Inspector General
Reporting on the OSP
http://armed-services.senate.gov/e_witnesslist.cfm?id=2538

UNITED STATES SENATE

COMMITTEE ON ARMED SERVICES

_________________________________________________

There will be a meeting of the Committee on

ARMED SERVICES

Friday, February 9, 2007

9:30 AM

Room SR-222, Russell Senate Office Building

OPEN/CLOSED*



To receive a briefing on the Department of Defense Inspector
General’s report on the activities of the Office of Special Plans prior
to the war in Iraq.


Mr. Thomas F. Gimble
Acting Inspector General
Department of Defense

* There will be a CLOSED session in SR-232A,
following the OPEN session.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:12 PM
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16. Thanks!
A closed hearing? Does that mean it won't be covered by the media?
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:15 PM
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18. maybe a closed hearing, but I understood the summary to be
unclassified. NO?
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:24 PM
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21. True
But...gee, some "reporter" might have to read something to cover that. If it's on the TeeVee, it's real. :sarcasm:

Still, I'm hoping. Charlie Gibson surprises me pleasantly sometimes. I hear NBC has done some good work lately. Never mind La Couric.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 02:50 PM
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45. I'm sad to say that I heard this first on T.V. But what they
said was that lies were told about the build up of this war, and they did nothing illigal in telling us the lies. How do you like that reporting?
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 02:58 PM
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46. To quote Barbara Jordan in the Bork hearings
"My eyes glaze over."
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 03:08 PM
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48. I heard that too
...still complicit after all these years...

That came to mind to the melody of Paul Simon's Still crazy after all these years

:argh:
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 04:07 PM
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53. Lying to Congress is a felony
even if you're not under oath.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 12:02 PM
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73. R's will call that 'misrepresenting' or 'a different viewpoint' of truth
And what is truth anyway ? Whatever Bushco and it's MSM tells you.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 12:57 PM
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74. well, remember Kay Bailey Hutchison?
When Libby was indicted for perjury, she called it a "technicality"

However, when Clinton was charged with the same thing, it was HUGH!!!!! I'm SERIES.

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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:26 PM
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24. It can't be that closed
The Federal Transcript service (or one of them) is releasing the hearing as fast as they can get it transcribed. I have been reading it as the parts get put up on the proprietary sites.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 12:00 PM
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72. Gimble recommended no action. And said OSP did nothing illegal
Gimble is providing COVER for these repukes if you haven't figured it out by now. Besides, Gimble himself was 'auditing' the DOD and doing a bunged up job of it since DoD can't find a missing $2.3 TRILLION (per CBS news War on Waste article at their website

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml

Don't try telling me this shill Gimble or his predecessor Joseph Schmitz are anything but shills for this administration. It's all just 'damage control' for them.
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hwmnbn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:57 PM
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6. Yep, the official report says the same thing......
It's in the WaPo article

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/08/AR2007020802387_pf.html

I imagine this live testimony goes into more detail. Great news!!

K&R
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:57 PM
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7. Had to be the Acting IG -- Link
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 12:57 PM
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8. Rec. 5 !! and we are off......
:kick:
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solara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:00 PM
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10. Wow.......just wow
Oh yeah..and it's about damn time! k&r

:applause:
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:01 PM
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11. It seems like there is a deliberate blackout on this hearing. CSpan 2 and 3 are playing
pre-recorded programming!!!!!!
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:01 PM
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12. Never take your eyes offa Carl
He may be slow and quiet. But he is persistent like no other. While I may be disappointed with a lot of Dem representatives, Carl has never truly let me down. I am proud to shake his hand every year.

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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:46 PM
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29. Absolutely true
I have a great deal of respect for the man.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:53 PM
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31. Is Leahy on this committee too, I think he has had enough also.
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Lowell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:01 PM
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13. It is great to have confirmed
what we all knew all along. Good news. Kick!
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No DUplicitous DUpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:02 PM
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14. Heads really need to roll. We are talking pre meditated murder.
I guess this is why the white house did not want to lose Congress.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 03:06 PM
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47. yea, but these thugs are lining up their lawyers aren't they?
what a bunch of war criminals I wish they the Congress would just say it.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:09 PM
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15. Holy Shit I Hope This Is For Real. I Can't Wait For More Details. Expose The Motherfuckers!!!!!
Details, details, details... need more details.. C'monnnnnn details.....
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:14 PM
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17. Meanwhile, WH does damage control by saying Bush "takes responsibility"
and has taken steps to see it doesn't happen again. :eyes: Like what? Planting WMD's in advance?
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:20 PM
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19. * "claims" he takes responsibility for the "mistake".... not "cooking up" prewar intel.
Huge difference.. I know YOU know, but I just had to say it anyway. I am on the edge of my seat here waiting for what will come next.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:25 PM
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22. The Steps
1. Cook intel in a private office to justify an illegal but profitable war.
2. Use cooked intel after it's revealed as such to justify consolidation of all intel efforts under a single Czar
3. Repeat, replacing Czar as necessary.

-Hoot
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:21 PM
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20. Where the hell is the media on this?
I just logged on and I'm seeing what we've all been waiting for for four and five years - and on TV I've got footage of microphones waiting for Anna Nichole andnow I've got pictures of friggin' snow.

AAAAARRRGGH!!!!

Are we mobilizing a media blitz? If we ever needed everyboy acting as one, it's RIGHT NOW.
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:25 PM
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23. Agreed...
Edited on Fri Feb-09-07 01:26 PM by halobeam
I thought it was just me jumping up and down screaming!


Need more recs! This ought to be on top.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:44 PM
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28. Hollywood FL has so much to offer though!
A Casino, nice hotel, and captivating scenery to boot!
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karendc Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 03:21 PM
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50. We are checking
in with the WaPo to see if anyone was even there today.

This is the spin the Repubs were giving it:

We've heard this before.
This is just a turf war between the intelligence agencies.
Nothing new here, keep on moving...

it won't play big unless we make it big--by telling folks the truth.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 04:15 PM
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54. Get ourTP's
Maybe we can create an outline, where people can take the data they need and fill in with their own words. Can Tela help? She seems the best at getting points that will get published. Then we can just keep making posts and sending letters to get this covered.

And what about this, United States Code, Fraud & False Statements

18 U.S.C. §§ 1001

(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully—
(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;
(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or
(3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry;
shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both.

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Giant Robot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:32 PM
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25. I was always pleased with him as my Senator
Go Carl! Please keep us updated as I am trapped at work and have occasional access to the internet.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:35 PM
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26. K&R fuck impeachment. File war crime charges against the
motherfuckers.
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:42 PM
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27. sent a chill down my spine. when you read it like that it turns the stomache.
:kick: ya bastards. :kick:
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:51 PM
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30. thanks for that information.
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:58 PM
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32. Ray - any updates? Why can't we watch the people's business on cspan.
dammitalltohell.
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 01:59 PM
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33. yep.. wondering that myself....
Edited on Fri Feb-09-07 02:02 PM by halobeam
and poster#24 above said transcripts are comint across the wire? Where would that be?
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 02:00 PM
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35. I don't know. LEt me see if I can find out.
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 02:03 PM
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37. I just edited... it was poster 24 I was referring to re: transcripts
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 02:03 PM
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38. there's this
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 02:00 PM
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34. Sorry about the lack of reply..but I was in transit. I hope people checked
the link
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 02:01 PM
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36. kick
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 02:05 PM
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39. closed door hearing now...hmmmm...
Then they went into closed session. So something's being discussed folks.

More as we know it...

Posted by: karen at February 9, 2007 12:53 PM

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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 02:16 PM
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41. ty... reposted it so others can see it better..
btw... the spin is nauseating.
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 02:15 PM
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40. re posting Ray of Light link to blogging on hearing......
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 02:16 PM
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42. MORE INFO
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 02:18 PM
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43. Thank you for this - - THIS should be the top story. Too bad we don't have a real newsmedia.
.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 02:29 PM
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44. if we did, imagine how many would demand Impeachment!
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 03:21 PM
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49. Nothing to update...they were kicked out of the area when they went
behind closed doors.

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karendc Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 04:01 PM
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51. Transcript from the end of the hearing
(Note Levin's conclusions)

LEVIN: We will put in the record the request, if it's not already in the record, of Chairman Roberts, of September 9, asking you, or your predecessor, to know whether -- to ascertain whether the personnel assigned to the Office of Special Plans, which was part of the Feith operation, at any time conducted inappropriate intelligence activities.

LEVIN: Your finding is clear that they did.

As to why they did not do what the process required them to do in making an intelligence assessment is something that we will find out, either with the Intelligence Committee or on our own. If they're looking into that aspect of it, we're not going to duplicate that aspect of it.

But the why these inappropriate activities were undertaken is an important question.

It was not the question you looked at because that gets into motive. You focused on whether or not the activities were inappropriate. You reached your conclusion. I think the evidence is overwhelming that your conclusion is correct.

We will now do the following: Any of us who have questions of you will put those questions in writing that can be answered in open. We're now going to go to a closed session, but we will have a period of, let's say, 48 hours to put together questions for you for the open record.

In addition, we will be talking to witnesses who presented that slide presentation to the Vice President's Office and to the National Security Council. So if you would supply us with the names of the people from the Feith office that did make this presentation, we will be interviewing those folks.

We will also seek interviews with Mr. Hadley, Mr. Libby, and see whether or not they will be willing to meet with us.

You said that Mr. Hadley declined to meet with you?

GIMBLE: The counsel over there declined to make him available.

LEVIN: All right.

Did you seek to talk to Mr. Libby as well?

GIMBLE: No, sir, we did not.

LEVIN: OK, since the presentation was to his staff, we will try to either talk to him or to his staff.

LEVIN: I believe he was, though, at the presentation, if I'm not -- is that correct, Mr. Libby was there?

GIMBLE: He was at the presentation.

LEVIN: So we will seek to talk to then, both Mr. Hadley, Mr. Libby. And we would appreciate your letting us know who it was, on behalf of the Feith office, that made this presentation.

We're now going to remove to the classified portion. It will not take long.
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maryallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 09:53 PM
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60. Gotta love the Pentagon: "Inappropriate intelligence activities??"
For crying out loud: it sounds like illicit sex, instead of treason.
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karendc Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 04:01 PM
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52. Transcript from the end of the hearing
(Note Levin's conclusions)

LEVIN: We will put in the record the request, if it's not already in the record, of Chairman Roberts, of September 9, asking you, or your predecessor, to know whether -- to ascertain whether the personnel assigned to the Office of Special Plans, which was part of the Feith operation, at any time conducted inappropriate intelligence activities.

LEVIN: Your finding is clear that they did.

As to why they did not do what the process required them to do in making an intelligence assessment is something that we will find out, either with the Intelligence Committee or on our own. If they're looking into that aspect of it, we're not going to duplicate that aspect of it.

But the why these inappropriate activities were undertaken is an important question.

It was not the question you looked at because that gets into motive. You focused on whether or not the activities were inappropriate. You reached your conclusion. I think the evidence is overwhelming that your conclusion is correct.

We will now do the following: Any of us who have questions of you will put those questions in writing that can be answered in open. We're now going to go to a closed session, but we will have a period of, let's say, 48 hours to put together questions for you for the open record.

In addition, we will be talking to witnesses who presented that slide presentation to the Vice President's Office and to the National Security Council. So if you would supply us with the names of the people from the Feith office that did make this presentation, we will be interviewing those folks.

We will also seek interviews with Mr. Hadley, Mr. Libby, and see whether or not they will be willing to meet with us.

You said that Mr. Hadley declined to meet with you?

GIMBLE: The counsel over there declined to make him available.

LEVIN: All right.

Did you seek to talk to Mr. Libby as well?

GIMBLE: No, sir, we did not.

LEVIN: OK, since the presentation was to his staff, we will try to either talk to him or to his staff.

LEVIN: I believe he was, though, at the presentation, if I'm not -- is that correct, Mr. Libby was there?

GIMBLE: He was at the presentation.

LEVIN: So we will seek to talk to then, both Mr. Hadley, Mr. Libby. And we would appreciate your letting us know who it was, on behalf of the Feith office, that made this presentation.

We're now going to remove to the classified portion. It will not take long.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 05:33 PM
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55. Very interesting - and thankyou for your vigilance.
.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 06:15 PM
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56. thanks for watching this for us.
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jannyk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 06:56 PM
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57. Thanks - K&R
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 09:15 PM
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58. Keith and Lehrer News Hour both had exerpts.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 09:18 PM
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59. that's GREAT news!
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 10:03 PM
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61. Yes, and.....
Edited on Fri Feb-09-07 10:03 PM by George Oilwellian
Wolf had Feith on earlier helping him spin the story silly. Isn't it amazing how quickly Wolf worked to get Feith on the air? :sarcasm:
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 10:31 PM
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62. Yes, but did you see Shields and Brooks after that?
That Moron, Brooks, tried to minimize the whole thing. Said, in substance, it wasn't important.

I thought Mark Shields was going to jump out of his chair. He said (paraphrasing) it sure was important. It was about taking the country to war on a lie.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 10:55 PM
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63. it's completely unimaginable that such ...
uncompassion, greed, and stupidy exists! that's why at least 50% who supported Bush in 02 did so. They couldn't imagine anyone so evil as to start a war on lies.
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 10:58 PM
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64. Apparently, that's the Repubs' .....
talking point. "Beating a dead horse." "Nothing new."

How about "Explosive." or "Impeachable."
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 11:50 AM
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71. yes, but the news hour presented it is a mistake, a blunder, never as a lie.
They spent more time showing the republican saying "why do we have to beat a dead horse?", than analyzing what this means.
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IWantAChange Donating Member (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-09-07 11:29 PM
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65. If this story gets serious coverge this weekend it will carry over to next week
and avoid the black hole of news coming to the fore late Fridday afternoon.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 12:23 AM
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66. ...
:kick:

dp
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 08:01 AM
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67. Hope something happens with this.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 09:47 AM
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68. connect the dots
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 10:38 AM
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69. Kicking for weekenders
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 11:06 AM
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70. thanks--gotta head out.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 01:49 PM
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75. k ick this all weakend.
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