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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:03 AM
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Sen. Graham: "I'm confident that the Iraqi people have turned a corner"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/27/AR2007082701919.html

After serving two weeks of reserve duty in Iraq, Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) yesterday called for continuation of the "surge" of U.S. troops in Iraq and warned that any decision to mandate a withdrawal this year would undercut critical gains made in recent months.

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"With all due respect to Senator Warner, the model he is suggesting -- to put pressure (on the Iraqi government) by mandating troop withdrawal -- is exactly the opposite of what we should do," Graham said in an interview after returning from Iraq this past weekend. "I believe the pressure that will lead to reconciliation will not be from what an American politician thinks but what the Iraqi people think. And I'm confident that the Iraqi people have turned a corner."

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But the boost in U.S. forces has produced more progress than Graham had anticipated, he said yesterday.

"The surge has produced better security. And if you mandated withdrawal now, it would undercut the progress we've made and embolden people who are on the ropes. Be patient. Continue to supply strongly economic, political and military support, and I believe . . . we'll have a breakthrough in Baghdad," he said.
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:08 AM
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1. Lindsey, Lindsey, Lindsey. . . .

Why are you such a lying sack of shit?

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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:08 AM
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2. The Iraqi people have turned a corner - cholera
See post.

Sure would hate to undercut all that progress we've made.
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beberocks Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:10 AM
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3. Gee--has Linsey gone shopping for more rugs yet?
Bet there are plenty of bargains in the Baghdad market Senator Graham! Why don't you just hang around there until your latest rug is finished.


In GOP propaganda more progress=more dead innocent Iraqis and more dead troops
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:10 AM
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4. Did you buy more rugs while you were there, Senator?
He's saving so much on Christmas this year.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:10 AM
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5. The vast majority of Iraqis want the US gone.
Graham has not yet realized this. He either refuses to face that fact, or he truly is ignorant of the fact.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:11 AM
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6. The surge has produced better security
Yah but what are we securing? Warner didn't dispute that, he disputes that we are losing lives to gain a little security for nothing, because there is no effort of the Iraqi government to take advantage of the situation.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:14 AM
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7. Just as a logistical matter
I do not think it fiduciarily sound to send reservists all the way to Iraq for just two weeks. I know that is their commitment but as a cost saving measure they should go for longer periods or do their reserve time closer to home (if not at home) where the travel costs are considerably less. I know, silly liberal notion, save money.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:16 AM
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8. So what, is Graham making a buttload of cash off this war, too?
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:19 AM
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9. I think it's Graham's attempt at a power play.

I think his strategy is to go up against Warner and he'll gain power within the party for having the balls to go against one of the "key" republicans. Since the DeLay debacle they are all looking to become the new "hammer" .

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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:20 AM
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10. Turned a corner, down a dark alley, where we shot their women and children.
Maybe that's what he meant.

:shrug:

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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:21 AM
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11. geez, Lindsey what a sick thing to say, and you believe your own
spewing? how sick, and how many more must die 3,732 is the count right now.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:23 AM
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12. Yup. The plan took a left, and another left, and another left, and another left and another left..
And should certain people have their way will continue to go round and round into perpetuity.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:25 AM
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13. WHAT gains? What have we done besides dig ourselves in deeper
and make the Iraqis dependent on us for security? We are delaying the inevitable. STFU, Goober Graham.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:28 AM
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14. And around the corner there's a semi-truck aimed right at them. nt
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:35 AM
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15. turning the corner into the grave?

Media Silence about the Carnage in Iraq
Killing 10,000 Iraqis Every Month
By Michael Schwartz
CounterPunch
July 5, 2007

A state-of-the-art research study published in October 12, 2006 issue of The Lancet (the most prestigious British medical journal) concluded that--as of a year ago--600,000 Iraqis had died violently due to the war in Iraq. That is, the Iraqi death rate for the first 39 months of the war was just about 15,000 per month. That wasn't the worst of it, because the death rate was increasing precipitously, and during the first half of 2006 the monthly rate was approximately 30,000 per month, a rate that no doubt has increased further during the ferocious fighting associated with the current American surge.
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COUNTING HOW MANY IRAQIS THE OCCUPATION HAS KILLED

These shocking statistics are made all the more horrific when we realize that among the 600,000 or so victims of Iraqi war violence, the largest portion have been killed by the American military, not by car bombings or death squads, or violent criminals--or even all these groups combined.

The Lancet interviewers asked their Iraqi respondents how their loved ones died and who was responsible. The families were very good at the cause of death, telling the reporters that over half (56%) were due to gunshots, with an eighth due each to car bombs(13%), air strikes (13%) and other ordinance (14%). Only 4% were due to unknown causes. The families were not as good at identifying who was responsible. Although they knew, for example, that air strike victims were killed by the occupation, and that car bomb victims were killed by insurgents, the gunshot and ordinance fatalities often occurred in firefights or in circumstances with no witnesses. Many times, therefore, they could not tell for sure who was responsible. Only were certain, and the interviewers did not record the responsible party if "households had any uncertainly" as to who fired the death shot.

The results are nevertheless staggering for those of us who read the American press: for the deaths that the victims families knew for sure who the perpetrator was, U.S. forces (or their "Coalition of the Willing" allies) were responsible for 56%. That is, we can be very confident that the Coalition had killed at least 180,000 Iraqis by the middle of 2006. Moreover, we have every reason to believe that the U.S. is responsible for its pro rata share (or more) of the unattributed deaths. That means that the U.S. and its allies may well have killed upwards of 330,000 Iraqis by the middle of 2006. The remainder can be attributed to the insurgents, criminals, and to Iraqi forces. And let's be very clear here: car bombs, the one source that was most easy for victims' families to identify, was responsible for 13% of the deaths, about 80,000 people, or about 2000 per month. This is horrendous, but it is far less than half of the confirmed American total, and less than a quarter of the probable American total.

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HOW COME WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THIS?

These figures sound impossible to most Americans. Certainly 300 Iraqis killed by Americans each day would be headline news, over and over again. And yet, the electronic and print media simply do not tell us that the U.S. is killing all these people. We hear plenty about car bombers and death squads, but little about Americans killing Iraqis, except the occasional terrorist, and the even more occasional atrocity story. How, then, is the US accomplishing this carnage, and why is it not newsworthy? The answer lies in another amazing statistic: this one released by the U.S. military and reported by the highly respectable Brookings Institution: for the past four years, the American military sends out something over 1000 patrols each day into hostile neighborhoods, looking to capture or kill insurgents and terrorists. (Since February, the number has increased to nearly 5,000 patrols a day, if we include the Iraqi troops participating in the American surge.)
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http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/media/2007/0705silence.htm
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:44 AM
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16. "..and will soon see light at the end of the tunnel."
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:47 AM
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17. Last night on Mike MAlloy, he said there are rumors that
Edited on Tue Aug-28-07 10:48 AM by Ilsa
al Maliki will be out by the weekend, by leaving or through a coup de etat, for a "strong-man" to be installed. Yeah, iraq is turning the corner, for sure.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:50 AM
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18. Here's a visual aid...



It's a tetracontakaidigon, a 42-sided polygon.

We started turning corners years ago, at the 'noon' position. And now the pro-invasion people can proudly say we're at the 4 o'clock position! Yay! Almost there!

Of course, when Iraq collapsed into anarchy and hot civil war sometime in the next year, the tetracontakaidigon will break, and we will no longer be able to turn any corners, but hey, that's defeatist talk, right? Right?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:52 AM
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19. I'm confident that lindsey graham is a partisan hack.
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