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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:16 AM
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Edwards takes: "Huge Political Gamble"?
Edited on Fri Aug-31-07 10:19 AM by Flabbergasted
The Age
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/edwards-big-call-on-big-cars/2007/08/31/1188067366025.html
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Edwards' big call on big cars
Anne Davies, Washington
September 1, 2007

THIS week the US Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards took a huge political gamble: he told an audience of unionists in Florida that they needed to give up their sports utility vehicles in the interests of combating greenhouse gas emissions.

"I think Americans are actually willing to sacrifice," Mr Edwards said during a forum held by the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers. "One of the things they should be asked to do is drive more fuel-efficient vehicles."

Asked specifically whether he meant Americans should give up their sports utility vehicles, or SUVs, the forthright North Carolina senator replied: "Yes."

Mr Edwards had better hope he has read the American psyche correctly. The statistics suggest he is dead wrong.

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RufusEarl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:26 AM
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1. Well he may be wrong as far as gaging the pulse of american
drivers, they do loves them some SUV's. But he's not wrong in saying it, it needs to be said over and over again by all of our Democratic candidates.

Peace!
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:26 AM
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2. That was surprising to me
Edited on Fri Aug-31-07 10:27 AM by Strawman
I think he has a real shot in Michigan because of his ties to Bonior and Bonior's strength in Macomb County and with the unions, but I don't know how he is going to be able to sell that message in auto plants where workers who actually make these SUV's are already anxious about their future.

I'm not saying he is wrong on the merits, just that it was surprising coming from a guy who I think really needs to carry Michigan.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:32 AM
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5. No one makes SUV's anymore.
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:58 AM
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8. That's not true
Edited on Fri Aug-31-07 11:00 AM by Strawman
http://www.uaw.org/uawmade/cartruck2007.cfm

I don't know for how much longer they will or should make SUV's. But right now they do.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 11:02 AM
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10. Don't take me literally. Although you are correct.
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:33 AM
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6. If you give up your SUV, you have to buy something to replace it, don't you?
Why wouldn't that just tickle automakers pink?
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 11:00 AM
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9. Good question
I don't know why it doesn't.
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beberocks Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:28 AM
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3. Reframe the debate to give up your SUV or give up your son or daughter to the military
Blood for oil is the sign of a corrupt, selfish, stupid population. Make them enlist, and those hybrids will look mighty nice to 'em!
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greenman3610 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:32 AM
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4. he needs to be discussing the emerging plug in technology
Edited on Fri Aug-31-07 10:36 AM by greenman3610
In about 3 to 5 years, we will be looking at a new
set of options for powering vehicles, led by GMs
Chevy volt initiative.
Guilt has not historically worked well to get
Americans to change their lifestyles.
It didn't work for Jimmy Carter - even tho he was
right. The rise in energy prices in the late
70s is what actually pushed usage down, and in
our time, the continued rise in the price of gas is what
is driving the change in technology.


Worth asking whether we would have been able
to get rid of slavery if not for the cotton gin.
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Tanuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 11:29 AM
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11. ? The invention of the cotton gin actually led to an increase in slavery,
http://www.eliwhitney.org/cotton.htm
"However, like many inventors, Whitney (who died in 1825) could not have foreseen the ways in which his invention would change society for the worse. The most significant of these was the growth of slavery. While it was true that the cotton gin reduced the labor of removing seeds, it did not reduce the need for slaves to grow and pick the cotton. In fact, the opposite occurred. Cotton growing became so profitable for the planters that it greatly increased their demand for both land and slave labor. In 1790 there were six slave states; in 1860 there were 15. From 1790 until Congress banned the importation of slaves from Africa in 1808, Southerners imported 80,000 Africans. By 1860 approximately one in three Southerners was a slave.

Because of the cotton gin, slaves now labored on ever-larger plantations where work was more regimented and relentless. "

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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:36 AM
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7. I don't think this is any kind of gamble. Everybody knows that already.
It would have been a big deal if he had been saying this same thing 8-10 years ago...when giving up SUV's would have seemed radical and would have done some good. Now, everybody already knows that SUV's are an endangered species. I live in SC and even here we see more and more Minis and VW's on the roads every day.
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 03:02 PM
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13. Renie you are right, this is something I thought George Bush should have done immediately after
taking office
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 02:57 PM
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12. You want some that tell the truth, and tell you what you need to do
We don't need those big things, they are a danger to people driving smaller cars, we existed with out them for hundreds of years, we can do it now, if we don't have enough energy to suffice
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