Why do you believe Craig was caught?

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set up a Dem, not a loyal Repug who votes the RW party line every time. And one who's in a safe seat. Getting rid of Craig gives no advantage to the Repugs at all. They don't benefit from this.

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But that doesn't matter to the DUers who have to blemish the site with their knee jerk tinfoil raving about every single thing that happens.

The phrase "Rovian" may soon become akin to "Machiavellian", although Machiavelli was a whole lot smarter than Rover.

He believed politics was a means to an end, not the end in and of itself.

He wasn't really proposing his ideas in there as the best and most moral things to do, just what one must do to survive in power.

He also had some good warnings to would-be conquerers. That dumbshit in the White House would've benefited greatly from reading that book before his little Iraq adventure.

I haven't read all of the Prince but have a copy of the Art of War, and there's LOTS of stuff in there about not going into cities and avoiding long, expensive campaigns as well as having a clear, established plan from start to finish if you intend to go off to war.

...yet another idiot who just doesn't get it.

On edit to add: if you think I am talking about Craig, then think again.

that some GOP senators are idiots and not every single thing that happens is part of some huge tinfoil covered conspiracy?

...you give two options only. One for some stupid conspiracy shit, and the other calling him a pervert.

I am not defending him for what he did, but I don't see someone like that as being a pervert. By the way, straight people solicit sex in public places quite often as well. I have been mistaken for a straight chick many times, and had idiot blokes follow me to female bathrooms to try and win a little time with me. Should I be calling them perverts now?

Anyone who has sex in a public bathroom, gay, straight, female, male, whatever is a pervert as far as I'm concerned. If you want a quick hookup, go look in the classifieds of some alternative newspaper and rent a motel room.

...I won't retort to being an idiot and calling people what they aren't. Obviously people who do this have some serious problems. Ridicule isn't going to fix it.

This one is rigged :P

Is it because he's a guy? When those two cheerleader chicks were getting it on in the ladies room, they weren't called perverts.

weren't married to anyone. That's where I see the real wrongdoing. He was breaking a vow he made to someone.

...if you are young, dumb, drunk, not married, and female, you get a pass, but if you are older, wiser, richer, and male, you become a pervert who is also into bestiality (which has been stated here on DU today) because there is an ick factor in male on male action, but not with female on female action?

If Craig was drunk and just making passes at guys in the bathroom he probably would've gotten off with only a small charge of public intoxication and it would've just been an embarassing story in the news for a day if even that. But that's not what he was doing.

but they were not, as far as I know, committing adultery.

...this sure gives the networks a chance to look fair and balanced. ...Come October/November, it will be back to bashing dems.

I think the guy's a pervert, but I also think BushCo is using this incident as a diversion.

The Gonzales resignation? That doesn't mean shit as far as media coverage goes. He's gone and that doesn't change if it gets 1 hour of news coverage or a thousand.

Iraq? One week with one story getting a bit more coverage isn't going to make people instantly forget that.

What's gained for the GOP from this very bad news?

It's that simple. He had it coming.

but some DUers apparently believe that absolutely nothing happens in the world without Karl Rove's approval.

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who "leaked" this to the Congressional Dishrag or wherever it got started. This is so obviously an orchestrated take-down I'm surprised you even have to ask.

I don't see anything obvious that there'd be some right wing conspiracy to take down a GOP rubber stamp senator. Nor do I see how you orchestrate a take down by getting someone to solicit sex in a bathroom. This isn't the type of thing being framed.

BTW, 41 DUers and 95% of people who have seen this don't see it as so obvious.

suddenly got blasted all over the media, and was endorsed by the usual GOP marionettes.

Sometimes being a mostly willing rubberstamp just isn't enough.

It happened - explanation: Craig is an idiot
It got blasted all over the media - explanation: the media loves sex scandals
Was endorsed by GOP hacks - explanation: What are they going to do, defend Craig? That sure would've made some interesting ads when election day came around. These people didn't defend Foley either, so was he set up?

So what did he do that would cause the right wing to want to get rid of him if being a rubber stamp "isn't enough"? There's plenty of GOP senators who aren't quite rubber stamps (like Olympia Snowe) who haven't been touched.

The timing is very convenient for the Republicans. If it came out within a day or two of the Petraeus report, the GOP would not have had time to firewall off the propaganda from the perversion.

A conspiracy that involves an anonymous tip doesn't violate the laws of thermodynamics the way, say, LIHOP does. Cheney leaked Iraq WMD propaganda to the NYT and then cited the NYT in support of the propaganda. It is far from impossible that Rove found out about the arrest and hustled up the leak to avoid swamping the Petraeus report and sideshow.

I don't think "pervert" is fair. But I don't think he was set up.

How often did he fly through that terminal? Video archives??

Trolling for sex in the public bathroom? I can't imagine anyone setting him up for that. I am curious as to who you think would do that to him? Certainly not our side, at least imo. Why would Rove and Co want to destroy and ally and create another scandal? I refuse to believe that we Dems would do this to the guy so that leaves it in the Perv column. Its hard for me to call the man and idiot. He is a smart man who did an idiotic thing I guess. I refuse to believe a 25 year US Senator and attorney is an outright idiot.

Even though I never liked this guy and his far right bent I feel sorry for him. He is a husband and a father and this must be terribly humiliating to have your whole career destroyed all in the blink of an eye. It must feel even worse for him to be abandoned so fast by his "so called" friends of 25+ years in politics.

What I don't get is that he pleaded guilty, claims he had no lawyer but he IS a lawyer and now says he is innocent. Its such an odd political event.

allowed him to have the time to formulate some kind of story they could support. I don't believe that the initial tip off was necessarily a Rovian plot, not at all. The lack of support after the fact was calculated and the people that came forward to condemn was calculated as well. I see this as opportunistic rather than plotted. Larry Craig was an idiot who took a huge risk in a public restroom and got caught. No one had any trouble keeping their mouths shut about Vitter and no one had any trouble letting him have the time to come up with some lame brain response. To the best of my knowledge that Vitter "sex scandal" the the medial purportedly loves so much has gone completely silent because there is no oxygen. Just my two cents, your mileage may vary. And by the way, I do not believe that it has as much to do with hetero vs homosexual issues. Didn't stop them from blasting Bill Clinton 24/7/

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