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FourScore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 12:23 AM Original message |
I can't believe I'm defending this man... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 12:25 AM Response to Original message |
1. The problem is not Craig's resignation, but Vitter's failure to resign. |
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FourScore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 12:27 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Peeping Tom? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 12:39 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. You might want to read the full account before defending him. NT |
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FourScore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 12:42 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. I heard he peered throught the crack in a stall |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 12:46 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Peered - for 2 minutes, with his eye to the opening. |
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FourScore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 12:54 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. 2 minutes? Oh. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 12:55 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. There are numerous differences. |
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FourScore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 01:01 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. You're not getting my point. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 01:20 AM Response to Reply #18 |
25. I don't agree. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 08:46 AM Response to Reply #18 |
48. I think there are multipe differences. |
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Tulum_Moon (556 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 01:26 AM Response to Reply #12 |
28. Two Minutes! |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #28 |
73. Wow!. That's so....deliberately naive. |
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NNadir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 12:27 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I agree but... |
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FourScore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 12:29 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Exactly. n/t |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 04:05 AM Response to Reply #1 |
38. Exactly--if Craig has to resign, why not Vitter the Shitter? n/t |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 05:34 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Vitter could be replaced by a democrat, Craig will not. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 12:32 AM Response to Original message |
5. Craig was arrested and pled guilty to a crime, and then deliberately |
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CC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 12:32 AM Response to Original message |
6. Another big difference is that ID has |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 06:27 AM Response to Reply #6 |
45. agreed. This factor played a BIG role. |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 12:34 AM Response to Original message |
7. There's a lot of things at play. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 12:41 AM Response to Original message |
9. Craig's replacement is made by the Repo Gov. Vitter would be by a Dem Gov. |
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FourScore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 12:49 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. I'm not talking about the obvious political prudence of the republican party. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 10:20 AM Response to Reply #14 |
61. It's pure politics. If Craig held his seat, he would have been more vulnerable |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 12:41 AM Response to Original message |
10. to deflect this possibly... |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 12:48 AM Response to Original message |
13. Vitter came out and admitted his actions |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 05:05 AM Response to Reply #13 |
39. This does not compute. Cop said there were empty stalls. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 12:50 AM Response to Original message |
15. He wasn't set up. He ran into an honest cop. |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 10:26 AM Response to Reply #15 |
62. The Cop Was There For the Purpose Of Catching Homosexual Cruisers. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 10:39 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Undercover ops ALWAYS give "enough rope". It's still a justified arrest. NT |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 11:06 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Never Said it Wasn't. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 12:01 PM Response to Reply #62 |
71. YOU read the report. |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 12:14 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. That Is Not At All What I'm Saying. |
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pop goes the weasel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 01:02 AM Response to Original message |
19. take a look at the Slate re-enactment |
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FourScore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 01:19 AM Response to Reply #19 |
24. That was informative. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 01:08 AM Response to Original message |
20. I appreciate your points regarding the double standard for gay vs. hetero sex |
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FourScore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 01:15 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I think you are absolutely right about the bathroom setting. |
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EST (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 01:13 AM Response to Original message |
21. There are at least a hundred threads,explaining in vivid |
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FourScore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 01:19 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. I'm sure you're right about that. |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 01:20 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. As a lesbian, I appreciate your OP. |
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FourScore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 01:26 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Thanks, yardwork. |
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Laurier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 01:30 AM Response to Original message |
29. You are right to defend against the action, never mind the individual. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 05:50 AM Response to Reply #29 |
43. When I Go Into A Closed Bathroom Stall To Take A Dump I Expect Privacy |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 01:32 AM Response to Original message |
30. What I don't get is people keep insisting "he had sex in the bathroom" |
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XtraProudDem (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 03:07 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. This stuff is real |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 09:12 AM Response to Reply #35 |
50. So what? Maybe he just wanted to get off. That is not a crime, thinking of sex while in the bathro |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 09:13 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. No, but being a peeping tom and invading the privacy of other stalls is a crime. NT |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 09:18 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Yes, that is true - |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 01:55 AM Response to Original message |
31. Well said. My guess as to why |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 01:56 AM Response to Original message |
32. Why defend ANY of them? |
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EST (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 02:11 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Jeeezus! Swamp, |
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Bryn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 03:02 AM Response to Original message |
34. Oh, Pleeeezzzzeeeee |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 03:07 AM Response to Original message |
36. The police officer knew based on experience that Craig |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 04:03 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Some people don't get it |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 06:20 AM Response to Reply #36 |
44. Solicit sex from another willing adult. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 08:52 AM Response to Reply #44 |
49. The "screening process" itself is a violation of others' privacy. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 09:19 AM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Craig was not arrested for having sex in public. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 09:29 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. I never said he was. The "screening process" in public does not violate the |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 09:33 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. And you know for a fact that Craig violated somebody's |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 09:36 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. He peered into the stall, he put his foot and then his hand into the stall. |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 11:04 AM Response to Reply #57 |
65. "I know a fuck lot more about how the game works than you do." |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 11:11 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Craig Broke The Law The Second He Peeked Into A Closed Stall |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 11:14 AM Response to Reply #65 |
68. The "game" to which I refer is the "screening" for willing participants. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 11:22 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. That's The Point Some Folks Are Deliberately Ignoring |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 12:32 PM Response to Reply #68 |
76. I Don't Disagree With You. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 12:36 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Private Consensual Sex-No Biggie... |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 12:19 PM Response to Reply #65 |
75. Incredibly disingenuous. |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 12:34 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. What a Bold Statement You Make, Backed Up With a Well-Crafted Counter-Argument. |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 10:11 AM Response to Reply #53 |
59. When I Go To A Bar I Don't Get To Screen Men Or Women Without Their Clothes On |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 10:16 AM Response to Reply #44 |
60. I Have Been In Many Straight And Gay Bars |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 12:09 PM Response to Reply #44 |
72. Is a "stallophobic" |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 02:10 PM Response to Reply #72 |
85. No. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 07:32 PM Response to Reply #44 |
86. If a police officer sees you walk into a bank, pull out a gun, grab the guy next |
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chknltl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 05:24 AM Response to Original message |
40. I can go along with the "Craig was set up" part |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 05:39 AM Response to Original message |
42. HERE WE GO AGAIN |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 06:33 AM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Yes, we should all have the expectation that if we (familiy, kids) use public bathrooms, |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 06:56 AM Response to Original message |
47. I can't believe it either -- Stop it |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
55. So then you won't mind if someone watched you use a public bathroom then? |
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dansolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
58. They probably already knew he was gay |
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Jack Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
64. Well, if you think it's the right thing to do, good for you |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
70. If people would read 5 minutes, they'd stop asking which laws were broken |
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peacetheonlyway (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
79. Craig is a sex addict, has nothing to do with gay rights |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
80. To hell with Craig...he KNEW the nature of the dogs he chose to lie down with |
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bridgit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
81. It's control of message; republican leadership wanted him the hell out of the way... |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
82. WHY Do "DU'ers Need To Rise Above That Right Now"??? |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
83. Who appoints his successor, anybody know? |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-01-07 01:13 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Okay replacement: Jim Risch, GOP, according to this article: |
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