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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 09:45 AM
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No Welcome Back Sign For Condi At Stanford
As Her Star Wanes, Rice Tries to Reshape Legacy


By HELENE COOPER
Published: September 1, 2007

WASHINGTON, Aug. 31 — On May 25, Stanford University’s student newspaper, The Stanford Daily, devoted the bulk of its front page to the university’s former provost, who is on leave while she serves out her term as secretary of state. “Condi Eyes Return,” read the headline, “but in What Role?”

Within hours, the letters to the editor started coming in. “Condoleezza Rice serves an administration that has trashed the basic values of academia: reason, science, expertise, and honesty. Stanford should not welcome her back,” wrote Don Ornstein, identified by the newspaper as an emeritus professor of mathematics in a letter published May 31.

Online comments on the newspaper’s Web site were even harsher, a veritable stream of vitriol. One of the milder posts came from Jon Wu, who did not give an affiliation: “Please go away, Rice. We don’t want someone who is responsible for the slaughter of an entire nation teaching at our school.”

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more at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/01/washington/01rice.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 09:48 AM
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1. oh, the Adm. will give her a nice welcome. good article.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 09:48 AM
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2. I wouldn't blame the Stanford folks one iota if they were resistant to Dr. Rice's
possible return.

Stanford is a class act. A top-drawer applicant pool is available at the snap of their fingers. I don't think Rice is a top-drawer applicant.

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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 09:50 AM
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3. And she is a war criminal.
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Fierce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 09:56 AM
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4. And she can't speak Russian for crap.
I know that's small on top of everything else, but it's always cracked me up that she's touted as this huge Sovietology expert -- AND she speaks Russian!
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 09:04 PM
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16. Condi Rice doesn't like me one bit
She came to Berlin to teach the American intelligence community there about the Evil Soviet Threat. Because, you know, we didn't have fifteen thousand authentic members of the Evil Soviet Threat prowling the streets of Berlin day and night spying on the American, British and French forces stationed therein. Oh, and the three or four thousand troops in the 6th Guards Independent Motorized Rifle Brigade over in Karlshorst, plus the five ground armies, plus the air army...oh, we had commies like you wouldn't believe, son, and here's little Condi Rice coming to fucking Berlin to tell us all about them. We're pretty sure she just needed an excuse to come to Berlin to go shopping at KaDeWe, the biggest department store on the Continent at the time.

They reserved Berlin Command's big secure conference room so about a hundred of us could listen to Ms. Rice's little speech. She gets up there and starts telling us things that are completely contrary to what actual Soviets did. Small example: the Sovs had perfected the art of crossing deep water in battle tanks. In Condi's world, the Soviets could cross any river in Germany with no loss of combat effectiveness (all the tanks that entered the river would emerge in conbat-ready condition), which would allow the Soviets to drive all the way to Paris in just a few days time. In the real world, the Soviets had such a problem with losing tanks during river crossing operations that they paved the bottom of the Elbe River in six different places to reduce the casualty rate during training exercises and still lost at least one tank per month. (And when you lose a tank in the Elbe, it stays there.) Now, I don't know HOW you pave the bottom of a river but someone at the Soviet Bureau of Combat Engineering figured it out. She's up there telling us this shit and the chief of US Military Liaison Mission turned to me: "Jim, MY Soviets don't do any of this. How about yours?" My Soviets didn't do it either--MY Soviets got lost on road marches, fired five-bag variable-time artillery missions with one bag of powder (which gives you a very short round--sometimes so short it doesn't emerge from the tube, and that's really bad because Soviets loved variable-time fuzing, which goes off a certain interval after the gun fires...if the shell is still in the tube when the fuze detonates it, you're screwn.), and held division runs where 20,000 troops started the run and 200 ended it.

Condi opened the floor for questions. I stood up and asked her if she was always that full of shit.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 09:24 PM
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17. what happened to you after that? I'd love to hear lots more stories like the above.
and what were you doing over there, that you were one of the select few recipients of such valuable "wisdon"

PM me if you'd like......
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 09:44 PM
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19. The US overt intel community in West Berlin wasn't all that large
I know the State Department had an office in East Berlin. The worst mistake of my entire life: I was actually asked to go to East Berlin and be a plainclothes officer in the State Department's office. And I said no. There's an upside-down size 9 dent in my buttcheeks from me kicking myself in the ass over that shit. That woulda been FUN, man! But me being a total dumbass sometimes...

Anyway, back to your question: anyone involved in any sort of analysis in Berlin was asked to go to this briefing, plus my battalion commander, plus the US Commander Berlin, plus the Berlin Brigade commander.

What happened to me? Well...after the briefing, the USCOB--a two-star general--walked over to me with tears in his eyes from laughing so hard (he was even more aware of the real nature of the threat than I was) and told me I shouldn't tell people they're full of shit even though they are.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 09:55 PM
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20. *snort* lol
Good story!!!

:thumbsup:
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 10:04 AM
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5. K & R for the good people of Stanford. Resist the monstrous Loyal Bushie. Deny a war criminal
admittance to your hallowed halls.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 07:02 PM
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14. A late afternoon K&R
for the same reasons you stated.
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Middle finga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 10:04 AM
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6. I hope she gets the message that what she participated in was
reprehensible. So that's how it works, you help lie us into an unjust war that cost the nation our prestige, hundreds of billions of dollars and the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people and you get to walk away and return to your old job. She should be in an orange jump suit facing a judge.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 10:12 AM
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7. Additional validation of Stanford as a world-class university.
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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 10:13 AM
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8. there should be a national outcry on this if Stanford takes her back....
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 10:31 AM
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9. "Bush whore resumes duties as Stanford provost"
Nice headline, eh?
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 10:42 AM
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10. K & R
Stanford :thumbsup:
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 10:57 AM
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11. God, we hated her the first time she was there
The woman can't run a lemonade stand, let alone one of our premier universities. She was hopeless in the job. The only bright spot of *'s stolen election is that we finally got rid of the incompetent piece of trash.
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partylessinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 11:10 AM
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12. Wonderful news! I hope Condoho is confined to her "own" room at the ranch
where she can continue to share * with Pickles, Karen, and the little press chick for the rest of her days.

:rofl:



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disndat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 11:58 AM
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13. Condi back in academia?
With her ill begotten gains she will probably get a villa in Dubai and a penthouse on 5th Avenue overlooking Central Park, a solid gold piano in the living room and close to her favorite Ferragamo shoe store and the Grand Central Tennis courts to play her favorite sport with Monica Seles as partner, to prove that crime pays and pays.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 07:40 PM
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15. K&R.
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Golden Raisin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 09:39 PM
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18. Upon leaving the government Condi
will be immediately hired by the Republican CEO's of every major corporation to serve, at a hefty annual stipend from each company, on corporate boards of directors. Its a sweet gig that benefits both parties. She just has to attend a few meetings a year, all expenses paid, and the corporation gets a token African-American woman. Looks great in the group photographs in the glossy annual reports. Never mind all that blood of innocent Iraqi children and brave American soldiers that have stained her fucking Ferrogamos.
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pimpbot Donating Member (770 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 10:00 PM
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21. Maybe she can cruise around on her oil tanker
That Chevron or whoever named after her. Too bad we cant dunk her in one of the tanks :)
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 03:29 PM
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23. maybe she can make herself useful by scraping the barnacles off it!
(yeah, right!)
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 10:01 PM
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22. How did she get the gig the first time?
:shrug:
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 03:53 PM
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24. One of my daughters is a PHD Scholarship Student there.
One day when she was visiting with the family, Condi appeared on TV. My daughter said that when Condi was at Stanford most people there couldn't stand her. When her name is brought up, people make frownie faces. :evilfrown:
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