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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 07:29 AM
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The Key Piece Of Evidence Used To Implicate Libya In Bombing Is A Probable Fake
Vital Lockerbie evidence 'was tampered with'


Fragments of bomb timer that helped to convict a Libyan ex-agent were 'practically carbonised' before the trial, says bankrupt Swiss businessman

Alex Duval Smith, Europe correspondent
Sunday September 2, 2007
The Observer


The key piece of material evidence used by prosecutors to implicate Libya in the Lockerbie bombing has emerged as a probable fake.

Nearly two decades after Pan Am flight 103 exploded over Scotland on 21 December, 1988, allegations of international political intrigue and shoddy investigative work are being levelled at the British government, the FBI and the Scottish police as one of the crucial witnesses, Swiss engineer Ulrich Lumpert, has apparently confessed that he lied about the origins of a crucial 'timer' - evidence that helped tie the man convicted of the bombing to the crime.


The disaster killed 270 people when the London to New York Boeing 747 exploded in mid-air. Britain and the US blamed Libya, saying that its leader, Colonel Muammar Gadaffi, wanted revenge for the US bombing of Tripoli in 1986. At a trial in the Netherlands in 2001, former Libyan agent Abdulbaset al-Megrahi was jailed for life.

He is currently serving his sentence in Greenock prison, but later this month the Scottish Court of Appeal is expected to hear Megrahi's case, after the Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission ruled in June that there was enough evidence to suggest a miscarriage of justice. Lumpert's confession, which was given to police in his home city of Zurich last week, will strengthen Megrahi's appeal.

more at:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,2160655,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=networkfront
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 07:33 AM
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1. kayed and arred
:kick:
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 07:34 AM
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2. Christ! Have there been ANY terrorist incidents that we haven't been LIED TO about? nm
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 07:44 AM
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3. When fraud, fakes and fabrication become the standard for government business,........
it is time to get a new government. It has become difficult to distinguish the criminals from the criminals.
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 08:49 AM
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4. wasn't it obvious who gained from Lockerbie?
look at KAL 007 shootdown, ferchrissake! The 'public' is lied to with open gusto every day; yet it seems the entire house'o'cards demands each morning 'we' ie the public, are babes in cradle sucking on fresh bottle of goddam lies er delish milk! 'So the earth aint really flat?' the pigmedia marvels, every day, and 'we the public' nods our head is sincere satisfied curiousity- though we ALWAYS thot the earth round, like ann kkkoultrer's pretty asshole(?) but NOOOO!
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First, the South Korean liner was not shot down by Soviet fighters from Sakhalin but suffered an accident under mysterious circumstances in the area of the Sangarskij Straits over the coasts of Japan.

Second, a military battle really did take place in Soviet air space. There were several American military aircraft involved, three of which were destroyed, but the "Boeing" was not involved.
<snip

http://avia.russian.ee/air/747/kale_2.html

Get this: a modern radar tracked passenger liner flying through some of the most dangerous airspace on earth during reagan era heightened cold war, flies 300 miles OFF COURSE over several hours w/out being noticed by Alaska air traffic control, Japan atc or THE RUSSIANS THEMSELVES! And the soviets forced to shoot it down, dang them fellers, killing 269 innocents! AND that allowed reagan to increase military spending to dubia dubia 2 levels, and retool the US to the needs of corporate pig america (and silencing newsmedia who simply unable to counter the onslaught of pro gopig propaganda, even as the media became itself a tool of the lying bastards etc)
And there's folks here who think 911 etc was 'suspicious'(!)
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 09:47 AM
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5. I found this book to be "the final word": Incident at Sakhalin: The True Mission of KAL Flight 007
Edited on Sun Sep-02-07 09:47 AM by WinkyDink
Michel Brun.

Don't even get me started on TWA 800.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 11:54 AM
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7. I know you said don't get you started,
but I think it is always a good idea to wake people up to the continuous spin and outright lies that they are subjected to by the "authorities" with the cooperation and willing complicity of the corporate lapdogs and ass-kissers to power in the main stream media


Discovery Channel scoops CNN on TWA 800 story

Discovery Channel’s recent program examining the cause of the TWA 800 disaster not only scoops CNN’s previously aired ”No Survivors” program on the same subject, but is a far superior investigative report. Discovery’s ”Best Evidence” takes a critical look at the available hard evidence and the government’s conclusions pertaining to the jetliner’s demise. By contrast, CNN’s ”No Survivors” contained a number of factual inaccuracies, the result of CNN’s producers relying too heavily on official sources and failing to verify the information those sources provided.

For example, CNN based their crash sequence animation that showed Flight 800 climbing sharply after exploding on government simulation data. But the government admitted that the simulations were ”steered,” and outside experts have shown that they do not match the hard radar evidence.

The government used the climb scenario based on their steered simulation data to explain eyewitness accounts of a missile. At a major FBI press conference in 1997, the CIA released an animation showing TWA 800 climbing and said the aircraft ”may have looked like a missile”.

The producers of ”Best Evidence” looked closely at the data behind the government simulations and found that the CIA’s animation did not match the hard radar evidence. FAA radar sites that recorded what actually happened to Flight 800 show that the jetliner banked left and descended after exploding.

For the first time on national television, former FBI Assistant Director James Kallstrom admitted that he had reservations about the CIA’s animation. ”In retrospect,” he told Discovery’s producers, ”I shouldn’t have asked the CIA” to produce the animation of Flight 800’s final moments.

SNIP

CNN’s ”No Survivors” didn’t discuss any of the wreckage that went missing during the investigation, not even the wreckage FAA radar sites tracked exiting Flight 800 at apparent supersonic speeds.*

”Best Evidence” displayed the hard radar and debris field evidence confirming the existence of the high-speed wreckage. When Discovery’s producer asked how this wreckage vanished from the investigation, FBI chief TWA 800 investigator James Kallstrom said it may have been sent to Washington for further analysis. Kallstrom provided no further details on the whereabouts of this wreckage.

http://cnnexposed.com/story.php?story=32
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 01:15 PM
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10. the problem is:
if the super dooper tapeworm can pull off stunts like 911 and KAL007/TWA800 or...the JFK murder, then 'truth' no matter how qualified, cannot threaten 'it'....iow the 'great game' goes on with increasing reckless endangerment for any catastrophic reaction, which apparently is already happening. No one 'heard' about larry craig's actual arrest last month etc, even though it happened right in public record. We 'hear' about it cuz the tapeworm needs to distract us from george junyer raping that baby in oval office (and in few weeks, that story will distract us from the martian invasion, or 2nd coming(?) or whatever...)
that's the problem. the news isn't trustworthy- and so we must make up our own, every single one o us...it's like in a race car, w/out a steering wheel....
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 10:40 AM
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6. Anyone remeber who was on that plane? CIA?
What is being covered up? Who is really at fault?
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 12:10 PM
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8. Who was on the El Al flight?
There was an El Al flight whose departure was delayed.

The evening of the TWA 800 shoot-down there, were numerous eyewitness reports on NY television channels that clearly described a missile. These later disappeared into the memory hole.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 12:45 PM
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12. I've read various accounts...

involving the uncovering of a heroin drug ring run by the CIA, or having been setup by the Mossad; that the real target was a diplomat on board the plane who was carrying key evidence and about to blow the whistle. This is an interesting blog report, supposedly linking corrobative evidence:

http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2006/02/lockerbie-new-forensic-tests-suggest.html


...

The Pan Am report is believed to have concluded that the bomb was not aimed at the killing of Americans in general, but was targeted specifically to kill a small band of DIA operatives that had uncovered a drugs ring run by a CIA unit in Lebanon.

The drugs-ring is said to have been set up by Israeli Mossad agents.

~

McKie case linked to Lockerbie; Scottish justice controlled by the CIA? Reputation of Scottish justice in ruins?

"In 1998, Lindauer was making a deposition in the Lockerbie Trial that contradicted the official Libya did it! yarn, corroborating the accounts of others, such as former DIA operative Lester Coleman that it was instead all about Bekka Valley heroin and CIA drug dealing. (Coleman's book, Trail of the Octopus, can be read online with free registration here.)"
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 12:46 PM
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9. I read years ago that Libya didn't do it and that Israel probably did
but the source was not one I could vet. CAUTION: I am not tarring anybody, okay?!
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 07:10 AM
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11. There were so many people who wanted to kill other people on that flight
that if it weren't a tragedy, it would be comic. The South African delegation to the UN for the handover of Namibia from SA to the UN seemed to know what was going to happen and changed their flight at the last minute. The UN Commissioner for Namibia continued on the flight and was killed.
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