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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-02-07 07:52 AM Original message |
"The President’s surge has failed and there is no end in sight for the war in Iraq." |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-02-07 07:58 AM Response to Original message |
1. one of the best statements I've seen |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-02-07 08:10 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. It's unlikely that these men who will advise us on Iraq have any idea |
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bananarepublican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-03-07 06:22 AM Response to Reply #1 |
39. Why doesn't she mention that over 650,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed since '03? n/t |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-03-07 01:00 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. my guess is that she doesn't think that would help her cause |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-02-07 08:04 AM Response to Original message |
2. K&R |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-02-07 08:04 AM Response to Original message |
3. I have one giant quibble with this... |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-02-07 08:12 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. I don't see anything wrong with pointing out Bush's 'goal' or rationale |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-02-07 08:18 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. She should state is as Bush's goal... |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-02-07 08:20 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. I don't think she did state it as a fact. She stated the rationale as Bush presented it. |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-02-07 08:22 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Ok... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-02-07 08:05 AM Response to Original message |
4. She needs to urge her fellow Dems to end the war |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-02-07 08:15 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. It's not her fellow Dems who are standing in the way of that. |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-02-07 08:20 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Oh yes it is.. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-02-07 08:24 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. The majority of Democrats have voted for legislation with an end date |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-02-07 08:26 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. MAJORITY .. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-02-07 08:36 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. They are as 'effective' in their Iraq legislation as the balance of power in this Congress allows |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-02-07 08:46 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Well... |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-02-07 09:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
31. The Republicans get what they want because their leadership |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-03-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #31 |
44. Anyone who allows themselves to be blackmailed.. |
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Poiuyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-03-07 12:46 PM Response to Reply #14 |
45. Democrats in Congress are VERY united |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-02-07 08:38 AM Response to Reply #7 |
16. Oh good grief; take your blinders off |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-02-07 08:48 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. I agree and wtf does "a new directon in Iraq" mean? |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-02-07 08:54 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. She said: "The best way to protect our troops is to end this war in Iraq." |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-02-07 09:02 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. She wants to leave troops in Iraq |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-02-07 09:16 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Now I see, I thought leftchick was talking about the congresswoman, you thought Hillary |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-02-07 11:18 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Oh sorry for the confusion |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-02-07 08:51 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. I don't have any blinders on. How incredibly condescending |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-02-07 09:07 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Oh is that why they gave bush FISA?? |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-02-07 09:22 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. A MINORITY of Democrats joined with republicans to allow that to pass |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-02-07 11:16 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. The leadership sucks |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-03-07 04:33 AM Response to Reply #16 |
34. I have already taken my blinders off. |
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brer cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-02-07 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
8. Recommended. n/t |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-02-07 08:47 AM Response to Original message |
18. Only Impeachment Can "End The War" (or accomplish anything else) |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-02-07 08:57 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. bullshit. There's no possible way you can guarantee Bush wouldn't escalate his militarism |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-03-07 12:16 AM Response to Reply #22 |
32. No, what you are saying is bullshit. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-03-07 05:55 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. I still maintain that without some outside prosecution, republicans would acquit in an impeachment |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-03-07 03:05 PM Response to Reply #36 |
47. No one is going to side with Bush in any impeachment proceeding. |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-03-07 03:56 AM Response to Reply #22 |
33. I'm not "guaranteeing" anything beyond the reality that "objecting"... |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-03-07 06:01 AM Response to Reply #33 |
37. the binding ones were blocked as expected, so it's crap to harp on the non-binding efforts |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-03-07 06:57 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. "blocked as expected" ?!? |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-03-07 07:15 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. yeah, they were blocked by filibusters and vetoes as was predicted |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-03-07 08:51 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. yeah, as will everything except Impeachment |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-03-07 12:24 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. there is no perfect way to confront the WH crimes and abuses |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-03-07 07:06 PM Response to Reply #43 |
51. Impeachment is perfect |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-03-07 08:56 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. those investigations provided the pretext and outside prosecution |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 04:18 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. With outright admission, you don't need "pretext"... |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 07:53 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. there is no possible way that I can account for your parsing of my words |
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Senator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 09:22 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. well, you could try |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-03-07 03:17 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. You are just wrong about this! |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-03-07 08:52 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. they love the Bush doctrine? and you think I'M kidding myself? |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-03-07 11:39 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. It's just a total fantasy that you have about the evil republicans. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 08:10 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Lieberman is not a Democrat, no matter what he says. |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 11:45 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Six years ago Lieberman was our party's candidate for VP. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 03:37 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. the overwhelming majority of our Democratic legislators do what we sent them there to do |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 06:39 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Keep telling yourself that. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 09:30 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Hillary only gave support to Lieberman in the primary |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-04-07 11:45 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. The results of their actions are the opposite of what you say. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 06:30 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. you sound like you're supporting some other party |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-05-07 12:49 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Yes! |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-02-07 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
29. That disappointing September Report won't matter at all--if we are engaged in Iran. n/t |
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Imagevision (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-02-07 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
30. ->Patreaus has already stated to Couric he plans to ask Bush to extend the surge time-frame |
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Disturbed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-03-07 05:08 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. 15 Years of US Occupation in Iraq? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-03-07 06:03 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. I fear that our Occupation of Iraq will be longer than that |
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NewJeffCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-03-07 03:07 PM Response to Reply #35 |
48. 15 years? Try 50 |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-03-07 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
50. I wish I could give it a rec. |
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