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spotbird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 09:02 PM
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Pentagon ‘three-day blitz’ plan for Iran
Source: Timesonline

THE Pentagon has drawn up plans for massive airstrikes against 1,200 targets in Iran, designed to annihilate the Iranians’ military capability in three days, according to a national security expert.

Alexis Debat, director of terrorism and national security at the Nixon Center, said last week that US military planners were not preparing for “pinprick strikes” against Iran’s nuclear facilities. “They’re about taking out the entire Iranian military,” he said.

Debat was speaking at a meeting organised by The National Interest, a conservative foreign policy journal. He told The Sunday Times that the US military had concluded: “Whether you go for pinprick strikes or all-out military action, the reaction from the Iranians will be the same.” It was, he added, a “very legitimate strategic calculus”.


Read more: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article2369001.ece



Let's just hope those Iranians don't read the Times. The whole surprise thing would be lost if that's true.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 09:06 PM
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1. It sounds like a cakewalk
:sarcasm:
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 09:07 PM
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2. Attention Iranians: Get your flowers and chocolates ready
Here we come! :grr:
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 11:11 PM
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13. And get ready to be greeted as liberators!
Woo-Hoo!!!:woohoo:
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bananarepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 07:02 AM
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41. Hitler bestowed freedom upon Poland in September '39. Why shouldn't Bush bestow...
... 'republican values' upon Iran in '09?

Why not have Mark Foley, Ted Haggard, Ken Mehlman, Denny Hastert, Larry Craig, Lindsay Graham, J. Edgar Hoover et tal head up the Christian Freedom Shock Troop Brigade? Can there be any doubt that these able bodied men would be unwilling to go into harm's way and physically 'fight them over there, so we don't have to fight them over here'?
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onewholaughsatfools Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 09:13 PM
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3. finally something interesting to read
Well, I am thinking why would American government want to destroy the economy, the world into a depression well just maybe to cover up all the screw ups in the last 7 years... Am I correct..........
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 10:14 PM
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8. It's Dr. Egon Spengler time....
Edited on Sat Sep-01-07 10:16 PM by Davis_X_Machina
.......if you remember Ghostbusters

I think 'doing' Iran will be an unprecedented disaster, and you thing it would be an unprecedented disaster, and there are maybe 5.9 billion other humans who think it would be an unprecedented disaster, but we're not in the bunker under the Cheneykanzlei.

To quote Harold Ramis in Ghostbusters, "Not necessarily. There's definitely a very slim chance we'll survive".

Look at this from the perspective of the people actually running the show.

A war in Iran will, as a perspicacious poster over at Ygleisas' noted, 'force the Democrats to go back to supporting the Republican foreign policy agenda', and it's not just the fopo agenda they will go back to supporting -- it'll be the most supine days of late '03 and early '04 again, without a Dean crying in the wilderness this time.

No risk too great, no shot too long, to forestall the epoch-making disaster that otherwise faces the Republic -- Democratic control of all three branches of government.

They have to cross the beams.

To prevent that, to the ones left in the Cheneybunker, no step is unwarranted.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 09:48 PM
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4. What in the hell have those innocent Iranians done to us.
Here we have bush and his group from hell yelling about protecting our country from terrorists. That the terrorist are going to get us. Isn't this the same thing he is thinking about doing to the Iranians.

We are innocent. We have a mad man with a group of mad men running this country. They feed on the blood of innocents. Now they want to tell us they should go out and kill the Iranians because they MIGHT want to attack us.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 10:50 PM
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11. The BushCo plan is to squat US military all across mid-East oil territories
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 10:02 PM
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5. "Operation Pearl Harbor"..........
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bigworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 10:06 PM
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6. This will backfire
There's a decent amount of student-led opposition to the government in Iran. This will do nothing but unite the dissenters and the government, and delay any change in the fundamentalist regime for years..
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MikeNearMcChord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 10:10 PM
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7. Here is an excellent article from the War Nerd
About an retired American General who kicked the Pentagon's ass in a war game exercise involving a scenario with Iran.

http://www.exile.ru/2002-December-11/war_nerd.html
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 02:36 AM
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19. wow, that was a hell of an article
I had no idea....

:scared:
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 10:32 PM
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9. It will solidify the world's disgust with the U.S.
This would be a blunder of historic proportions, which seems to be Bush's forte.
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 05:39 AM
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26. Darn! Too bad impeachment is off the table. /nt
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 10:38 PM
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10. All The Iranians Who OPPOSE Their Govt?
Edited on Sat Sep-01-07 10:39 PM by democrat2thecore
Will they unite and "rally around the leader" as our country always does? Probably. What does that mean for the United States? My opinion: another foreign policy disaster to make the Iraq war look like a minor skirmish. (And no disrespect to all the people who have lost their lives in Iraq.)

Edited for disclaimer at the end.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 11:14 PM
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14. I'd like to make the observation that this could touch off WWIII n/t
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 01:28 AM
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15. Bingo. The permanent state of war to be used to subjugate us while they loot the treasury of every
government possible. These NeoConvicts have no souls.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 02:34 AM
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18. Where will they spend it?
If there's anything worse than greed, it's myopically short-sighted greed. If you destroy the world and its major economies, all the treasure in the world becomes worthless, while a loaf of bred, a coop of chickens, becomes worth more than its weight in gold.

Perhaps they think Monaco will still be around.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 02:09 PM
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44. Not Monaco. Paraguay.
BushCo's personal, familial arm, a while back, bought a whole lot of land in a nation which has no extradition treaty with the US.

Naw, that's not suspicious. :sarcasm:

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mallard Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 02:07 AM
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40. Re: NeoConvicts have no souls
They know we aren't all too thrilled with the lies used to get us into an unbelievable mess in Iraq, so this time they offer a much more attractive one: It will be over in three days and Iran will be ours.

These master thieves AND war criminals need some serious legal help - like a visit to a war crimes tribunal in The Hague . I'll bet Paul Wolfowitz has memorabilia from the Iraqi national museum on his mantlepiece.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-01-07 11:08 PM
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12. Blitzes we're very good at. It's the bits afterward that cause all the trouble.
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RL3AO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 01:47 AM
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16. We are not going to attack Iran!
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 02:37 AM
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20. would you care to explain why not? n/t
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 01:53 AM
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17. And they'll greet us as liberators, too!
Guaranteed, or your money back!*

*this is not a guarantee
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SpikeTss Donating Member (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 02:55 AM
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21. 'Blitz' ?
Edited on Sun Sep-02-07 02:56 AM by SpikeTss
Where have I read this word before? Let me check ...

Oh right, now I know.

Actually, the term 'Blitzkrieg' is exactly the right word
for what the US military is conducting since a very long time.
Already more than one million Iraqis have died due to the last
'blitzkrieg' of the US military.

Go on, Herr Bush! Secure your place in the history books of
future generations as the blitzkrieg fuhrer!

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RFKHumphreyObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 02:59 AM
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22. Will it be as successful as 'shock and awe' was?
Oh wait....
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Jesse Hemingway Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 03:26 AM
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23. Iran has known they are the target since 9/11
Ever since the sunnis did 9/11 the shiites have known their f$kkked but then look at our commander guy. I would suspect that the shiites have been in the minority for a couple hundred years they may have a few tricks up their sleeves.
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133724 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 04:17 AM
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24. So What is our 3 day Blitz????
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krj44 Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 05:11 AM
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25. wheres ike?
isn`t this the mic that he was talking about?
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 08:29 AM
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30. This Ike?
Edited on Sun Sep-02-07 08:32 AM by ohio2007
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 05:43 AM
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27. The stuff in there about "the plan" all echoes old reports.
The stuff about attitude of urgency to attack in the WH, and threat of attack led by Israel isn't new either.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 07:02 AM
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28. The Kingdom of Cheney: A place where the warm winds of reason never blow.
The climate of the Kingdom of Cheney is characterized by the cold winds of war. Force-5. 24/7.

:scared:
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 08:27 AM
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29. Iran invasion set for June 2005
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MLFerrell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 08:57 AM
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31. Where do you get spring of '05 out of those links that are both from '07?
So eager to dismiss *'s propensity for a disastrous attack on Iran that you'll post anything, facts be damned?
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 07:34 PM
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35. here
this is the first google gem I saw and thought worth saving since they were being quoted often and thrown about back in the day;

Bush plans to attack Iran in June
by NoAlternative
Sun Feb 20, 2005 at 07:16:19 PM PDT

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/20/221619/711

another;

Scott Ritter: US Plans June Attack On Iran; US manipulated Iraqi Election Results
02/21/2005

http://www.backbonecampaign.org/Blog.cfm?ID=61

What happens if the U.S. invades Iran in June and there is failure?
April 2, 2005 8:10 PM Subscribe

http://www.metafilter.com/40932/What-happens-if-the-US-invades-Iran-in-June-and-there-is-failure

and another;



Iran: Is Iran Next?

OMJP Forum: Potential War Against Iran

Friday, May 20, 2005

http://authorsden.com/visit/viewarticle.asp?AuthorID=3523&id=26590

and the queen of kooks ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9wteOVzgo4
hmmmmm..... a real diamond in the rough


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=119372&mesg_id=119372


BTW
* didn't attack Iran by April 2007 either;
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x274657#274731

my old pc had a collection of links going back to late 2004/early 2005 on such predictions of invading Iran. Never interested in really saving them ( GIGO )


There was even a site for placing bets when the invasion would take place...in 2006;
http://www.thepredictiongame.com/view.php?ItemID=5





Iran and the “Experts”
by Sasan Fayazmanesh
July 25, 2005

With these “experts,” who needs amateurs?


http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=8371

You'll need to read the full article of the last link that sums up my pov when it comes to the finger pointing experts on Iran.
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MLFerrell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 09:06 PM
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39. MUCH better!
I actually was well aware of the constant "Booga Booga Boo!" over Iran since, oh, let me think... Three months into the Iraq quagmire, if I recall correctly.

I was just trying to get you to back up your assertion, which you did. Kudos!

I had leaned toward blanket dismissal of new warnings at present, until a whole goddamned barrage o' "chatter" exploded on the scene all at once, as in within the past two to three weeks... And, what with the resignation of Gonzalez and Rove, I'm fairly convinced that the latest round of talk is more than just gossip or idle speculation. If those two rats have decided to jump ship, I sure as hell think that something big, VERY big is right around the corner. An attack on Iran would certainly fit the bill.

In any case, I sincerely hope that you're right, and I'm wrong.
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ohio2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 08:05 AM
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43. no problem, remember, Google can be interesting to use
but the MSM stories, such as in Yahoo, seem to get erased with time ... to free up band width ? ;) ..right.

we live in a knee jerk,sound byte, short term memory world. Some time you have to step back and review.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 10:47 AM
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32. From the article dated Sept 2, 2007
Edited on Sun Sep-02-07 10:47 AM by mzteris
". . . President George Bush intensified the rhetoric against Iran last week, accusing Tehran of putting the Middle East “under the shadow of a nuclear holocaust”. He warned that the US and its allies would confront Iran “before it is too late”.***

***"before it is too late". Meaning, what? Before the bushcabal leaves office?

edit: - wrong quote- closed window - just read the damn article.


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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 10:55 AM
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33. I'd be surprised they have enough of their expensive GPS-guided bombs to do this
Iran has an outstanding air defence system, so missiles and stealth will have to be used for the first half. Stealth uses GPS-guided bombs, and we pretty much ran out out of them during shock and awe. Granted, that was 4 fucking years ago, but still.

On the other hand, the Pentagon is so full of fucking Bushite ass-clowns, I doubt anyone has bothered to check the Inventory. They'll probably end up running dry after the first day, then we'll get our asses kicked and most of our ships in the Persian Gulf sunk.

Draft put in place. Gotta unscrew the screwup in Iran.

Crusades all over again.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 10:56 AM
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34. They want to convince us in 3 days, about something that will affect the rest of our lives.
Typical...
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 07:38 PM
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36. and junior will get his wish, they will 'bring it on' for generations to come
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 07:43 PM
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37. Yeah, and the troops will be home by Christmas...
just as the British troops were told in August 1914.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 07:44 PM
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38. Gee, what could possibly go wrong?
How many ships will be sunk? How many thousands of civilians killed? How many missile launched against Isreal? Against the Saudi Oil fields.

This is absolute insanity. Earth shaking insanity.

Pinprick strikes? Is that like a "rolling start" or "shock and awe?"
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-03-07 07:03 AM
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42. Shock & Awe Part Deux...eh?
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