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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 12:07 AM
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Iran evidence means squat
As torn up as I am over each and every one of our casualties ( http://www.dbc3.com/Fallen ) I cannot in good conscience get too riled up over what Iran may or may not be doing. We do not belong there, and the people of the area want us gone. Many many more IRAQIS are killing our kids than anything Iran is doing. Even if Iran were sending convoys of rpgs and whatever across the border, that would not justify our "taking action" against them to "protect our troops". That is a spurious excuse, even if there were truth to the claims, which we have NO way of knowing, and NO reason to take on faith from this cabal of evildoers who conducted their bloodless coup 6 years ago. We are not taking action to protect our troops NOW. Read Kevin Landeck's parents' account of the Oak Park fire department taking up a collection to get him a proper light for his weapon so when they sent him into dark buildings after Iraqis he would stand a better chance of surviving. That the light arrived the day he was blown up by an IED just makes it all the more frustrating. We the People cannot fix what King George hath wrought. Even when we band together as a community and try, it goes for naught.

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/wheatonsun/news/249114,6_1_NA09_SOLDIER_S1.article

Any such evidence they manage actually to find or in more likelihood contrive, is just further evidence we need to get out. There is NO justification for staying another day.

No government that continues to commit such egregious wrongs deserves to continue.

http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/index.htm


"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government... when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. ... The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

...

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

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For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

...

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

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He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 12:13 AM
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1. What Iran is doing for the Shia is the complement of what
Edited on Sat Feb-10-07 12:15 AM by patrice
Saudi Arabia is doing for the Sunnis.

Probably been going on from just about day one.

Of course we don't complain about anything the Royal House of Saud does.
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