Why I Broke One of My 'Cardinal' Rules (a protected bird murdered)

I first heard about this story at our good friend's Birdfreak Birding Blog. It seems Walda Cameron grew irritated at a male northern cardinal, or Cardinalis cardinalis, for fluttering outside a window of her home. She sought out a gun store, bought a shotgun, got instructions, and after several attempts she blew the protected bird to bloody smithereens. She says she later regretted having done it, but not so much so that she didn't dress up, put her makeup on, and proudly display her weapon for a Newsweek story.Your reaction?

is now under arrest.
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After reading it, I wish the cardinal had killed her. She doesn't like the bird tapping on her window so she kills the poor thing?

Oh and if they are too noisy in the morning and wake her up, I bet she gets that gun out again. MAybe she can shoot a few dogs for barking too

If it's true she is an utter moron, but my BS-ometer is pegged in the red...

It's not a news story, not by someone on the Newsweek staff, and they make no stipulation that 'My Turn' stories be factual. This reads like someone's attempt to be provocative by telling a shocking tale, but I'm guessing she took some liberties.

The crack about liberals buying guns, and the claim that the bird hung around for 3 years and affected her sleep, concentration, and so on are a few of the bits that make this tough for me to swallow (heh heh).

I could be wrong, but I need to see some feathers before I take heron her word...

Among them her phone number. All I know is it was treated by them as the real thing.

(2-12-07 issue) I am looking at the story right now. She gives all her reasons for killing this poor little bird and how she went out to buy a gun, etc.

I do doubt that it's entirely non-fiction... (see Post 14)

If it's true, she's a dangerous nutter who needs to be straightened out, and if it's false she's earned everything she's getting for writing some really bad satire. (Satire? Allegory? Whichever...)

Sorrow and contempt for a civilization that puts it's comfort and convenience at a value above all else.

For fuck's sake, bitch, ADAPT. The world doesn't revolve around you!

On edit:

I had the wrong vowel in bitch. It was funny, though.

This woman decided to just kill this innocent little creature

http://www.eartheasy.com/hawk_silhouette.htm


I truly hope someone puts this crazy bitch in jail.

Read below, and feel free to call us whatever you need to :)

publishing this disgusting deed. I encourage cardinals to be on my property; they are great birds.

No, the crime should not have been reported frivilously!

:D

Here it is

Three years ago a male northern cardinal, or Cardinalis cardinalis, began hurling himself against the windows of our solar home. His assaults commenced at dawn. Each sunrise he would alight on our greenhouse roof and slide down the glass panels, pecking furiously at his scarlet reflection. He'd attack the bedroom, living room and dining-room windows before returning to the greenhouse to repeat his loop. Bang! Click, click. Scratch, scratch.

After 14 months of incessant attacks, Cardinalis held our family hostage. We tried everything to win our freedom and a little sleep. My husband and I wrapped sticky tape around tree branches and along window frames; we wove webs of fishing line across our five-foot windows, wired plaster cardinals to peripheral tree branches, propped mirrors in the gardens, placed plastic owls and stuffed toys in windows and baited a Hav-A-Heart trap with sunflower seeds. We threw stones at our tormentor and sprayed him with the garden hose, all to no avail.

After living for 36 months under the siege of Cardinalis, I cracked. My sleep patterns had altered, my ability to concentrate (already declining with age) was spiraling down to about 30-second intervals. My hands were shaky, my head ached, my vision blurred. I had morphed from a cookie-baking granny to a crazed zombie. I turned away from my bleeding-heart pals toward those who enjoy a more pragmatic turn of mind—those who honor the way of the warrior.

And... she did not find any comfort in this:

Then 60-plus years of culture kicked in. My knees grew wobbly, tears fell on the gun's fine wood. What had I done? I left my prey where he had fallen. I stashed the gun in a little-used closet and mourned the demented bird and the parts of me that had died with him.

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We have plenty of cardinals in our backyards, we feed them, and the squirrels, and chipmunks, and whoever else comes to feast.

But I don't know how I would have reacted... and I am sure that our local police and neighbors would not look kindly at shooting in a residential area

:spank:

over your windows to decrease the relection till mating season is over

I have done that with mice, though I realize birds would be harder.

I would have tried to grab the offfender in a net to drive him elsewhere.

I never have these types of problems because I have four big fat cats who keep guard in my windows.

The woman in this article is disgusting.

And, if she didn't want a cat forever - or the rest of its natural life - she could have borrowed a friend's cat for a month or two.

:sarcasm:

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that used to come to our door and beg for us to throw nuts out for them. The daddy cardinal, which my toddler named "Squawker," began his ritual by fluttering next to our backyard picture window to get our attention. Then we'd open the back door and he'd fly to the stoop to wait with his babies for their snack.

We cared so much for those birds that when we moved and rented out the house, we included a clause in the lease that the tenant had to feed the cardinals. We hated to leave them. Okay, so we're softies. :)

To think that someone would willfully kill a beautiful bird like that makes me sick at heart.

Can you say PSYCHO?

Somehow, she doesn't fit my definition of a Liberal. I go out of my way
NOT to hurt another living creature. I have rescued dogs, cats, rabbits,
birds, opossums, raccoons, you name it.

This woman is an idiot.

I used to have a terrible time with woodpeckers... so I made a mobile out of chunks of broken CD disks and hung it from the edge of the roof near the spot they were so fond of. Did the trick.

Anyone hear ever see a bird act that way? Over and over for that period of time?

I didn't think so. It's a fucking lie, that's why.

Sounds like a freep took a creative writing course at a local community college...

If there's any truth to it, it was probably several different cardinals all drawn to a particularly reflective spot on her window. Where I live, there are a couple of houses that have mirrors at the ends of their driveways to help with blind entries into the road. Every morning I go past one of these, there's a poor confused bird trying to court its reflection. I think this weekend I'll stop by the wild bird store and buy them a hawk silhouette.

They took the picture...

;)

I have never seen cardinals at night for starters and do they even live 14 months?

I agree, I think this was some freep type who wrote the article.

Hell I dodged bats all summer on my back porch and one actually landed on me in Sept...I wasn't pleased but I didn't hurt the creature. I am sure he didn't like landing on me any more than I liked my encounter with him!

Most birds are extremely long-lived compared to other animals of similar size. Old-world house sparrows can live over 20 years. Even hummingbirds can last 8 or 10 (which must seem like centuries with their amped-up metabolism).

Once you get into larger birds, you're talking multiple decades. Owls can make it to their 60s, while Amazon and African Grey parrots can live to be well over 100.

I guess I just assumed they were short lived!

We also just found out that they're a helluva lot smarter than previously thought.


Maybe if that stupid cow had realized that she was taking away 15 years of that poor bird's life she wouldn't have shot it.

http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/dle/tippinfo.htm

Poacher Hotline, New York State Dept of Environmental Conservation. Ask them what they plan to do about this crazy bitch.

What a sad excuse for a human being.

it stunk (like an NRA stink bomb). Is she sooo stupid and fearful and agitated?


WTF is wrong w/ this story.... It's not likely true - thats whats wrong w/it.

see his reflection any more. There's a certain time of year when the male cardinals are staking out their territory for mating. They see their reflection in a window and want to do battle with the competing male they think they're seeing.

The only reason it's ever bothered me is that I worry that those poor hormone-crazed birds are going to hurt themselves, so I've tried to figure out how to mitigate their self-destructive behavior by making my windows less reflective.

I would never shoot anything I wasn't planning on eating.

sw

I have been a birdwatcher for 15 years and have also noticed that cardinals are particularly attracted to the reflection in windows (or more crazed about seeing it or something). Even the owl and hawk scares don't work at that certain time of the year. Other birds don't seem nearly as likely to do this obsessive self-destructive behavior.

Right, what I worry about too is the birds injuring themselves, which can happen.

sunrise 'til about noon, saw its reflection in a window and thunk thunk thunk thunk. Cats were enthralled but it got really annoying at 5 am. We hung up a bunch of old CD's on string in the window, it would start to attack itself, then get scared by the CDs. We were really glad when the females got here and distracted him. I wouldn't shoot something unless I really had to. We all have different limits.

It is against federal law to kill a songbird. This fucking retard needs to be fined and imprisoned by her own confession.

I'm not a nice person when it comes to people who stupidly kill animals for no reason.

You think it's a valid thing to kill someone because you don't want to see them kill animals?

Do I really even need to point out the hypocritical thing here?

You sound like one of the abortion clinic bomber nuts...

The vitriol and anger agains an old lady who killed a freakin bird that was pestering her for over a year is ridiculous.

Maybe if we point out the bird was RED and obviously a right winger people will chill the fuck out.

You'd be surprised at how many people would agree with seawolf. Stories about someone hurting animals for sport or convenience cause incredibly stong visceral reactions in many people (myself included). I doubt that she'd have gotten as strong a reaction if she had shot a baby.

Comparing seawolf to a clinic bomber is a poor analogy. Those folks have had their minds twisted through years of hateful religious indoctrination. Anger at animal cruelty seems to be something that's built into us.

It shows me that some people view violence acceptable, even if it is in support of their non-violent efforts.

It's the same damn intellectually bankrupt position the abortion clinic bombers take.

I love animals too, and I can't stand people that don't think animals deserve our respect, but I also value human life too.

It's a boneheaded position to say that to keep violence from happening to animals you are willing to kill humans. It's just as idiotic as the abortion clinic bomber.

Here's why:

Killing someone in response to them killing animals is a matter of degree. You cannot say that it is ALWAYS wrong to do this. If someone was killing neighborhood pets she didn't like, or torturing animals to death, the position gets a bit fuzzier.

On the other hand, there is no number of abortions that a clinic could perform that would excuse someone who bombs it. Bombing a clinic is always wrong, no matter how you try to justify it.

What fucking planet are you from?

Killing human beings is murder. There is nothing "fuzzy" about that unless you're a psychopath.

If you kill humans to make a point against non-violence to animals, you're a psychopath and a fucking moron.

I never said you could murder them, since murder is, by definition, an unlawful killing. I would however, welcome a change in the law that would allow for the use of deadly force to protect animals in immediate danger.

As to what planet I'm from: I'm from the one where not all of the people believe in Genesis 1:28. Causing undue suffering to animals, especially if you aren't doing it for food, is morally reprehensible. It's very hard to argue that the world wouldn't be better off if a serial animal abuser were no longer able to commit their crimes.

Again, I'm taking the extreme position to oppose your extreme position of moral bankruptcy. In my mind, there is a stong distinction between the religious crazy who bombs an abortion clinic and someone who wishes for the death or suffering of an animal abuser.

Here is a direct quote from your post:

"Killing someone in response to them killing animals is a matter of degree. You cannot say that it is ALWAYS wrong to do this."

I can say, without a doubt, that it is ALWAYS wrong to murder someone.

Murder, being a wrongful killing, is by definition wrong. You're basically saying "doing wrong is wrong".

My point, which you seem to keep missing, is that killing someone to protect an animal or animals is not necessarily murder.

Or a fine.

Whatever the maximum penalty for killing a member endangered species is.

I'm not exactly sane on this issue, but I'm willing to compromise in some circumstances. My initial reaction to situations like this is hardwired. Once I've had some time to calm down, I can be reasonable. In some cases.

Someone deliberately torturing animals for fun, however, would receive no compromise.

I happen to live in the same town as this woman, and last year, our sliding glass door in our house was attacked repeatedly, for months, by a female cardinal. Five-thirty in the morning until 7 o'clock at night. Constant, unrelenting attacks. I tried everything - aluminum foil, covering the window with paper, noise, yelling, you name it. I mean, you name it. When I covered the slider in newspaper, she went to the basement door and commenced the attacks. Our window was marked, there were bird droppings in a pile all over the deck, and the poor bird was simply obsessed with attacking the "other" bird it saw.

I love animals, we have a load of them in the backyard, and a dog who is pampered and adored. But this bird drove us nuts.

I believe you, but it sure is bizarre.

It's the whole liberal-buys-a-gun part that smells funny. I've had birds and other critters annoy me to no end. Mockingbirds are demon spawn with their endless cacophony and fierce protectiveness of their nesting areas. I've yell at them and tried to scare them away too, but they don't attack our windows. While I've tried and failed at several strategies to dissuade raccoons and squirrels from wreaking havoc in my garden, I never once would think it warranted buying a gun to shoot the foolish things. My relatives who do have guns, on the other hand, would probably be tempted to take that action.

Last spring, 2 males staked out trees on opposite sides of the street and proceded to have a contest as to who could sing the longest. They would regularly go until 2 AM, often longer. Then the woodpecker starts up at 6. The Stellar's Jays have the daylight hours: in late spring I sometimes see them teaching their young how to rob my cherry trees.

OTOH, I do encourage Retrocat to kill the gophers who were responsible for my hobbling around on a cane most of last year - or at least chase them into someone else's yard - but he's too lazy to go outdoors most of the time.

I didn't have much in the way of singing birds at all because a sharp-shinned hawk family had nested in the neighbor's pine. It was very quiet whenever the hawks were at home.

I have a neighbor who has 23 outdoor cats. All of whom have decided the entrance to my house is their litter box and mating facility. I have tried everything and have been so irritated, especially in warm summer months that I have been sorely tempted to get a firearm and either shoot the cats or the neighbor or both.

Had you thought about a motion activated sprinkler near the area they like to congregate?
Might be an easy fix for your problem without a lot of expense.

Your neighbor...you're on your own with him. Couldn't find any neighbor repellent info. ;-)

Here are a few links with other ideas you might think about trying.

http://www.cat-repellant.info

http://www.liquidfence.com/cat-repellent.html

http://www.critter-repellent.com/cat/cat-repellant.php

http://parents.berkeley.edu/advice/pets/catpoop.html#how

http://landscaping.about.com/od/pestcontrol/a/cat_repellents.htm

http://ezinearticles.com/?Cat-Repellent-or-How-to-Keep-Cats-Out-of-Your-Garden&id=6554

There is actually a recognized mental illness for people who have too many animals. My suggestion is to get some good live-animal traps and take the cats to your local no-kill pet adoption organization.

You'll likely have to donate a bit of money, especially if they need to be spayed/neutered, but the expense is worth it. I've actually done this three times with ratty neighborhood cats that did not seem to have homes. One was very sick and had to be put down, but the other two are now fat, happy indoor kitties with families who love them.

even tunafish didn't get them into the traps -- caught a racoon though.

We tried the sprinkler, we tried stabby, sticky plants, we tried some professional stuff we got from a cousin who works for the park service....these are very determined cats.

We tried the law. Our county does not have any limit on how many pets one may own and no leash law for cats. Animal control tells me all the cats are healthy and well fed so there's nothing they can do.

seven are indoors. Three ferals. I have had them all neutered/spayed, except
two of the wild males I haven't been able to trap yet. Their turn is coming,
hopefully in the Spring.

My newest addition is a female that my neighbor caught while trying to trap a
pesky raccoon. I offered to let her stay in a large dog cage overnight, while
we figured out what to do.
Next morning there were eight little ones. :wow:

Found indoor homes for every single one of the kittens. Kept the mama myself...
a beautiful long haired tortie.

I think when you read about folks having so many animals, they have just let their
good intentions get out of hand. Kind of sad.

Else I would have directed her to the closest dictionary....

oh yeah...Grannie on the Beverly Hillbillies. Suburban primitive.

Many things can be done to distract and deflect birds from windows. Did she even think of calling a bird club or something like Wild Birds Unlimited for advice?

The thing that bothers me most about this is the primitive survivalist mentality that would make someone go buy a gun to deal with a cardinal. She obviously thought she had no other resources. Just another isolated individual shooting around in suburbia and feeling a little conflicted about it. But not too conflicted to write a puff piece about it.

Granny nutjob makes me want to buy a gun.

And Newsweek presents this as a "human interest" story with no commentary?

what would make you think publishing the story wouldn't get you arrested? I hope they throw the book at her.

All the story needs for embellishment is the part where she joined the Brady Campaign or Million Mom March and plans on turning the gun in at the next local community 'gun buy-back' program.

It would take care of two problems at once.

a story about the mercy killing of a cardinal that had West Nile (I had to do that to a bird, once).

This is far worse.

read my defense of Mrs. Cameron here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x174565

Why is this crap remotely important? Sounds like people are rushing to call law enforcement in this woman's hometown. Why not call your reps and tell them to investigate the Bush administration instead?

Let's waste our time going after a senior citizen who shot a freakin bird instead of focusing our time and attention on indicting the rest of the bush admin.

My SO was once hanging out clothes on a line in a neighborhood of close houses. Some idiot neighbor decided to try to shoot a bird with something like a 22 from their front porch across the narrow street. Yes I think it actually was a cardinal. The bullet whizzed past his head and lets just say the shooter
lived to regret it.

This should be criminal (criminal, felony) behavior in any neighborhood, even if you don't care about birds. Jail time.

ALSO...there is something really creepy about a person of any age who thinks they've got to go buy a gun to get rid of an annoying bird. Maybe if we focused attention sometimes on the small violences people do every day to each other, we could begin to understand the brutality and sadism that runs rampant through our society. This leads to people being willing to blow away as many people as possible if the govt & their pastor tells them it's the patriotic thing to do.

it is possible to care about lots of things.

First off, I have about 8 pair of cardinals living around me. I put out tons of black sunflower seeds and they show up every day. None have ever attacked any of my 52 glass windows over the last 10 years or so. I have, currently, two holes eaten into the siding of my house by my beloved squirrels! My house is 149 year old and is built with a 18 inch gap between the two stories. The squirrels (and at one time, a family of 5 raccoons) climb up the water spouts into the attic and down into the walls. Then they fight, make love, and play hockey in the space between the floors. Some days, I think they will drop through the ceilings. Harm them, never!

How can you love anything if you don't love nature and animals too?

a minute she had to resort to shooting the bird.

cardinals tap your window to remind you to put seeds in the feeder

it wouldn't continue unabated for 36 months shattering her sanity

either she's crazy or this is her idea of humor

fine her $20,000 for killing a protected songbird and move on

outside her bedroom.

:nuts:

She is an evil bitch.
She is proudly posing with her gun, therefor she luvs her gun.
Birds don't do that.
Birds don't live that long she is lying.
She is a murderer for killing a fluttering bird that was doing nothing wrong.

Geesh.
Did you read the story? Did you read about how conflicted she was? Proud? Ha! As far as putting hon her make up and proudly displaying her weapon, if she wasn't made up, didn't have her hair combed, you would say she is a freeper. How can you tell "proudly display her weapon" from 1 picture? Birds do do this, birds can cause damage to homes and make people sick, she did try lots of things, birds do live this long.

Shame on you for over reacting to minimal information. Have you ever murdered a mouse? How about a mosquito? Did you feel conflicted or bad? That's right, they aren't pretty birdies so they don't count. Shame on you.

Killing cardinals is a violation of the Migratory Bird Treaty Act.

It's a criminal act punishable by a 15,000 dollar fine or a year in prison.

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Then you do so when I ask a question to educate myself. there is no winning with you. :cry:

A cardinal?

If your irritating neighbor bothers you, can you shoot him and plead self defense?

:shrug:

ps Cardinals weigh 4 ounces. :P

downthread this poster pretends never to have heard of "a modest proposal"

we're being teased a bit

Are you the same person who reamed me out last yr for not knowing who Keith Olberman was? Rather than answering my question you gave me hell that I "had" to know, thereby proving yourself to be far superior? (I did not have any access to MSNBC and someone refused to believe this because "all true libruls knew who KO was you liar"). Sounds about the same, though people who look down upon others for not knowing everything, who has proven themselves what?

Edited to add, never mind, don't bother answering pituoi because I cannot read the response. Congratulations, you are on a list by yourself.

Serious question. I know that there is self defense in some cases if something of yours is physically endangered, wondering about if your mental health is endangered. (This is a serious question, unlike snarking elsewhere.) p.s. I know how big cardinals are, lived with them a long time.

There are plenty of ways to solve the problem, starting with asking someone who might know something. This was not a mosquito or even a mouse. The creature she killed was far longer-lived, far more intelligent and more social than either of those animals.

Just reading her story, this woman has annoyed me far more than any bird has. I guess that means I get to shoot her. Otherwise, she'll just continue writing more annoying bullshit.

I took her article as showing how conflicted she was, how hard it is to try to work something out and have it fail and have to resort to lethal measures.

For those that eat meat, have you ever raised and butchered a chicken? How about a pig? Pigs are long living and smart. Chickens not so smart usually, but we have some in the 10 yr range (elderly egg layers) that are living out their lives in peace.

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Pitohui can read my mind! You know more than I do about birds? Do you even have a clue what I might know? No. Okay. You're probably better looking and nicer and smarter too, right?

What are you talking about no cardinal active at night? Guess you missed the "sunrise" part and decided to go for a personal attack on me. I am insulting DUers by saying self defense was a defense and it sounds like she was quite conflicted? Pshaw.

anyone who thinks this self defense belongs in a mental institution or a prison, they should not be walking around w. free access to loaded weapons -- if the woman thinks what she wrote is true, she belongs under observation until such time as she no longer represents a danger to herself or others

i have decades of experience with birds, including northern cardinals pecking at my window and the windows of others, you have read a single newsweek article filled w. patent nonsense, it is not a personal attack to say i know more about northern cardinals than you do -- it is just a fact

the bird did not disturb her sleep or peck on her window at a time disturbing sleep for 36 straight months, it just didn't happen

i'm going to let you in on a little secret, and you can verify this for yourself over the course of a year -- the sun does not rise at the same time or place every day, it gradually moves across the sky, the reflections move, shift, and disappear, they cannot physically appear at exactly the same moment at the same place every day, this cannot happen

similarly, the hormonal urges of a northern cardinal do not remain the same throughout the year, at some points they are territorial, spring, when raising young, yet in winter i see them associating in great numbers, including flocks w. multiple adult males, w. no problems and no aggression and no attacks on anything red

the story simply didn't happen and to keep claiming that it did happen, in face of all logic and evidence, does not increase my respect for newsweek

the same people who want black men jailed forever for killing a puppy want a white woman celebrated for killing a bird, i don't understand any way to see this except as racism/classicism, random killing of animals for no sane reason is wrong whoever does it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=172933&mesg_id=173951

So now not only do you "know" that you know more than I (basing your knowledge of my knowledge on an assumption that all I know is what I read in 1 Newsweek article), but you "know" that what they both (this woman and phylny) say happened did not happen.

Wow, I didn't know the sun didn't rise or set at the same place! So cool! :sarcasm: What does that have to do with anything about this story except to try to put me down more?

And now you are comparing a black man who killed a puppy with a white woman who killed a bird and calling me racist? Strawman. Of course random killing of animals for no sane reason is wrong no matter who does it. My take on the article is that she wrote about how conflicted she was about it. You need to get a grip on the vitriol I think.

you're in the wrong here, you know it, i know it, we all know it, let it go

with a bluebird. Ramming itself against windows in the front and the back of the house.

Unless you live with this day after day, you have no idea how terrible it is. The poor bird(s) must be exhausted after spending literally the entire day on this endless pursuit of its "enemy."

Here in this house, we tried everything everyone said would work - cutouts of other birds, hawks, you name it. I mean, we even covered the windows with newspaper, as I said, for weeks and weeks, obscuring our view to try to help the bird get over the obsession. No good, she'd find some other window to attack. We had a woman who was dogsitting our elderly, infirm dog when it all started, and the houseguest was awakened every morning by the constant battering. Then, my dad came to take over for the dogsitter, and he, too, heard the banging from upstairs.

Here are two articles that really show that even cutouts of predatory birds won't always work:

http://www.wbu.com/edu/window.htm
http://www.wildbirds.com/protect_windows.htm

and here is one with a new method which may work (and it mentions this site: www.Featherguard.com)

(edited to add, I wonder how "Featherguard" got the feathers....)

http://web.syr.edu/~bpburtt/Birds/Sep05-04.htm

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until 5AM for three solid years.

We got a sound machine. I would never in a million years have killed that bird. But that's just me.

no offense, but the story is about a northern cardinal

they don't sing at night, they don't peck windows at night, it just didn't happen

they peck windows for two reasons -- they see a reflection (which requires light from a certain angle and as the sun changes its angle through the course of a year they stop pecking that window and it only happens in the daytime anyway) and to remind you that you have not filled the feeder (as they only feed in the day, again, no problem)

you are a nice person and now you are a doubly nice person because you actually confronted a real problem

this woman totally invented the entire story without bothering to check with anyone who ever met a real bird to make the story even a little believable

and at that memory is deceptive -- mockingbirds sing at night IF there is a full moon or IF there is streetlights -- and i do know people who have resorted to shooting out the stupid-ass light polluting street light that is upsetting the bird's hormones and ours

I spent one awful summer with a mockingbird singing outside my window all night. I never thought of shooting out the streetlights.

don't say you heard it here :-) but somehow that streetlamp remained "shot out" for the rest of the summer, to the puzzlement of the city fathers who kept trying to replace the lightbulb

Perhaps your cardinals are daytime feeders, but ours
tend to be dawn/dusk feeders, although they will show
up in the daytime sometimes.

Tesha

This was a premeditated act- and she knew damn well that it was against the law.

A year in jail to think about it might do her some good- and serve as an example to other freaks out there about what will happen if they commit a similar crime.

I guarantee that if she pulled this sort of stunt in Britian, there'd be hell to pay.

i had a similar problem a few years ago at my parent's place (i even posted about it in the lounge), and ultimately decided to do nothing...All we ever did was laugh at it--For a year the cardinal was like a daily guest that wanted to converse for a bit before flying off...yeah, it took a little getting used to, but damn if my parents and I didn't miss that bird dearly when it stopped coming back.

and the King of England

why should any animal be allowed to live if it irritates one human asshole?

:cry:

if you cook, and eat the birds you kill, i'll support you to the end as long as you take them properly in accord with state and federal limits

you are going to find there is no federal limit on cardinals and not any meat on those birds anyway

straw man much or what?

come on, you know you are wrong, you are just messing with us now, "a modest proposal" probably wasn't even funny the first time and it sure ain't funny in 2007, it's STALE, the joke is tired

let it go

if the story is true, the woman is insane and should be fined and given mental health care, if the story is invented, it's tacky

you know it as well as i do

again pitohui does not answer the question, trying again to prove a quick offense is the best defense. What "a modest proposal" are you talking about?

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Do you eat meat? Last chance.

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No you haven't answered. Not in this topic, not to this question. I, unlike you, cannot mind read. Do you eat meat?

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