John Kerry: "We cannot continue to ask Americans to die for a policy that won't work"

Vote down bush's supplemental request. Or, at least attach some serious strings.

And be ready to answer the "not supporting the troops" bleating that will inevitably follow.

Halliburton stock prices just before 9/11 - under $ 5 a share

Same stock today - over $ 30

Every time a HumVee is blown up by an IED, the war profiteers get to receive yet another purchse order for another HumVee.

On some convoy missions across the highways of Iraq, the hit rate is 25%. The IED campaign against our troops is a raging success.

And that, my Friends, spells P-R-O-F-I-T.

Proud 6th rec!

:-)

Always happy to K&R a Kerry thread (he's still the hottest man in politics).

Has anyone heard from The Nancy?

that's also what he was saying when he was running for president.

The media was consistent only in its distortions.

nowhere in all of those great policy statements you linked and in all of those big words Kerry used did he say it -- until now -- who is going to be the last one to die for a lie?

How fucking hard is it to say that?

Because there were those of us telling him to say that then, and he wouldn't do it. He kept blathering on about "this President is taking his eye off the ball" (which doesn't even qualify as good rhetoric).

And that is why we lost the election.

"And that is why we lost the election."


What BS! Not just BS, full of s***!

In fact, I doubt you asked: who is going to be the last one to die for a lie?

And if you did, you were channeling John Kerry!

What BS! Just taking another opportunity to echo nonsensical BS! Maybe instead of jumping into threads with this crap, a little time with a dictionary (look up the big words reckless and inept) is in order. Big word indeed!

clear where Kerry -- instead of mealy-mouthed, long and lost explanations about "this President taking his eye off the ball" (and various other long-winded meandering statements) simply said what we have been saying all along. Tell the nation that the President fucking lied to them to fuck them into an illegal war. Why not simply tell that one simple truth?

Where? You made that up!

Calling BS because it is BS!

Because it would have made the average voter understand him and Bush would be locked up in prison for his war crimes, bla, bla, bla. :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:


The bashing is so tiresome here. :boring:

He also said he would have used force under the Clinton Administration. And he said a number of other things as well -- all of which diluted and weakened and distracted from the one single fucking truth he needs to say.

voted against he first Gulf War. How the hell is that relevant to any of this?

"We cannot continue to ask Americans to die for a policy that won't work"

Got a problem with that comment?

Instead, he was getting lost -- during the Presidential debates, when all the world watched -- talking about how he was in favor of the war and "Saddam Hussein was a threat" and he "always believed he was a threat" even "in 1998 when Clinton was president" and he "would have used that force wisely" and "would have fought to make certain our troops had everybody possible to help them win the mission" and "Iran now is more dangerous, and so is North Korea, with nuclear weapons" and -- yes, there it is -- Bush "took his eye off the ball."

Only NOW is he getting closer with "Americans (should not) die for a policy that won't work." Short, to the point, direct. ONLY NOW, after it is too late.

Like I said, BS Nitpicking!

Even cutting and carefully editing small lines from the debate STILL DOESN'T GET IT for John Kerry.

The reason why Kerry lost the only opportunity he will ever have to be President, at the expense of his Party and at the expense of the nation, is because he just can't say it straightforward in simple terms. He has to blather on and on -- even when he makes a "flat statement," he talks about "designs" and "goals (involving) minimal amount(s)" and "staying in Iraq."

Say it slowly, John: The Bush Administration lied. Americans and Iraqis have died. Okay, so he is coming around -- ever so slowly. The problem is that he is with us more and more, and we need him less and less.

Your BS is astounding!

On edit: go here and tell him.

I just knew it.

statement Kerry ever made about the war (crime).



http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/08/politics/main648302.shtml

Sure sounds different from today. Just tell the people what they and the fucking world already knows, John. There was no time for mincing words then -- and there is most certainly no time for mincing words now.

I'm sure Kerry said a lot and you can pick the ones you want to highlight. The one you mentioned isn't in the post.

So it isn't relevant to the snips in thread. Also what the hell is wrong with that comment?

You are nitpicking over BS!

It was likely the most important couple of hours in his decades-long political career.

"This was not a war of last resort." How many times did Kerry say that? For many Catholics, this was very close to what they knew as a determinant for something being a just war. Bush and the evangelicals understand coded language - this wasn't even coded. IMMORAL beats merely illegal. This was stronger than anything I heard in the primaries from Dean or Edwards.

He also spoke often about international law. What do you think his "global test" answer meant. Also note that Kerry often listed the things Bush promised to do and didn't. These were PROVABLE lies. Until the Downing Street Memos were out you could not PROVE that Bush lied about WMD, just that he was wrong.

Kerry had the anti-war vote. The numbers that voted show there were not a huge number that sat out the election and their were few votes cast for the left 3rd parties. Kerry needed to win the people who, whether they thought the war was the right thing to do or not, could be made to reject what Bush was doing. In 2004, there were simply not enough "out now" people. Look how many Senators voted for get out in 1 yr (K/F) in June 2006 - only 13. Kerry's plan would have gotten people out before now.

He gave the policy a chance until April 22, 2006 when he came out against the war full force and has been doing it ever since.

The Kerry of 2004 had different opinions from the Kerry of 2006, just as the Kerry of 1971 had different opinions from the Kerry of 1968.

Date was significant. I knew what was coming at that point. Esp. when he'd given the new Iraqi government 6 months to get itself together before the "window of opportunity" closed.

On Scarborough last month for another. Scarborough kept bring that line up.

Meanwhile, it's rather like asking where the Kerry of 1971 was in 1968.

He wasn't there yet. He is now.

At that time, he felt the plan he felt that would have pushed intensive diplomacy and moved the US out of the front lines quickly was a better idea and would leave Iraq more stable. In 2005,he did tell a group of Kerry supporting Vietnam vets that if he reached the point that he thought the policy could not succeed, he would call for withdrawal - and he has led this fight as strongly as anyone else you can name.

In June 2006, only 13 Senators voted for withdrawal in 2004.

Had Kerry called for withdrawal in 2004 - he would have lost in a landslide. The numbers weren't there.

By the way, today was not the first time Kerry spoke those words with reguard to Iraq. His Dissent speech on April 23, 2006 (the 35th anniversary of the 1971 speech) spoke of that. It's on JohnKerry.com - under videos - we've posted links to it hundreds of times.

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If they do, so what?

"We cannot continue to ask Americans to die for a policy that won't work"

Because as my husband said a day ago.....it's coming. Oh well..thank GOD for the primaries heh?