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ftr23532 Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 12:36 AM
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Re: Christofascists, check out some of the stuff in the 1944 book "The Nazis Go Underground"
Edited on Sat Feb-10-07 01:03 AM by ftr23532
I've just started looking through this fascinating out of print book, and there's quite a bit in there on the pro-Hitler far-Right Christian groups that were operating in this country at the time. It's pretty interesting. Here's the link to a pdf version of the http://www.spitfirelist.com/Books/undergrnd.pdf">The Nazis Go Underground but Curt Riess, which is one of http://spitfirelist.com/Books/books.html">many old out of print books on the history of fascism available on the site of anti-fascist researcher Dave Emory. Take a look.

There's a fair amount on groups related to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Coughlin#Antisemitism">Father Charles Coughlin and related pro-fascist Catholic groups (check out Chapter 8), but there's also some interesting info on how some Protestant Fundamentalists. And as Russ Bellant showed in both of his critical books http://www.amazon.com/Coors-Connection-Philanthopy-Undermines-Democratic/dp/0896084167/ref=ed_oe_p/002-7142825-1263265">The Coors Connection: How Coors Family Philanthropy Undermines Democratic Pluralism and http://www.amazon.com/Old-Nazis-Right-Republican-Party/dp/0896084183/ref=pd_sim_b_3/002-7142825-1263265">Old Nazis, the New Right, and the Republican Party: Domestic fascist networks and their effect on U.S. cold war politics, the far-Right religious groups that comprised a key social component of the rise of the New Right in this country had deep ties historical ties to the larger menagerie of fascistic right-wing groups that supported Hitler and other fascists (BTW, both of those books by Bellant you can search through for free on Amazon, so be sure to use that feature!).

I thought this section (starting on p 118) from The Nazis Go Underground is quite telling about the cunning, and enduring, nature of the threat the modern world continues to face from extremist authoritarians:

...
Shortly after Japan attacked us, between five and six hundred organizations with pro-Fascist leanings all over America went out of existence. That, at least, is what the record says. But a great number of new organizations came into existence. Not immediately after Pearl Harbor, of course, but pretty soon after, everything considered. They assumed different names. Judging from these names they had been founded to promote many completely different things. Their names would seem to indicate that the members were in the main businessmen who had become worried about the value of the American dollar; or mothers who were anxious that their sons soled have a fair break in the war and after the war; citizens whose one wish was to preserve the Constitution of the United States and safeguard the rights which it gives to all American citizens; clergymen who wanted nothing but to bring a sinful nation back into the fold of the Church.

But what's in a name?

The leaders of these new organizations and the men and women who are running them are, without a single exception, the leaders of the organizations which disbanded after Pearl Harbor. But why, then, did they dissolve their organizations? Wasn't it because it occurred to them that now, when America is a party to this war, the activities of their organizations, the very fact of their existence even, are illegal? This is, indeed, the only possible explanation. But if these organizations are illegal, how can it be anything but a fraud to revive them even though under another name?

Of course there are certain differences between the old organizations and the new ones. For instance, the members of no longer "Heil Hitler"--at the meetings, that is. But they are quite open in their isolationism, their anti-Semitism, their contempt for democracy. They fight racial equality and any form of world coopation. they say that Roosevelt is responsible for World War II, they want no part of the Four Freedoms. They don't want to feed the world after the war, but they are perfectly willing to feed Germany. And above all they are afraid of the "Communist danger." They think that President Roosevelt's re-election must be prevented at all costs, and that we should negotiation a peace with Hitler now, no matter what becomes of our Allies.

No, they don't "Heil Hitler openly. They are "American Nationalists." Before Hitler came to power in Germany there were a great number of "German Nationalists." In fact, the men in key positions who were influential in getting Hitler into power were not Nazis. They were just "German Nationalists."

The Nazis learned in 1933 that "Nationalists" are their best allies. They learned it again in Spain, where the "Nationalist Franco" was their friend; and again in Norway, where the "Nationalist Quisling" worked for them; and again in France, where the "Nationalist Pétain" collaborated with them.

What, from the point of view of a Nazi, is wrong with an American Nationalist?
...


If only they taught this stuff in high-school....
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 12:41 AM
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1. It's not learned in school.
Edited on Sat Feb-10-07 12:42 AM by Swamp Rat
It's learned while standing in front of a wall.

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ftr23532 Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 01:08 AM
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4. I'm not sure what's scarier
what you wrote or the image that goes with it.

It's sad that we can all agree that history repeats itself...it's when it actually comes to remembering it, warts and all, that we tend to drop the drop the ball (and hopefully don't end up in front of a wall).
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Reterr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 02:10 AM
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8. That is a scary image...
What is the source Swamp Rat?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 04:21 AM
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12. It was painted by Francisco de Goya
It is called "El Tres de Mayo de 1808 en Madrid" (The Third of May 1808: The Execution of the Defenders of Madrid).

I recently returned from Madrid where I saw the exact spot where the Spanish loyalists and innocent citizens were massacred by Napoleon's troops. Approx. 5,000 Spanish civilians were executed between May 2 and May 3, 1808.
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ftr23532 Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 09:10 PM
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30. check out this excerpt from "The Nazis Go Underground" with a reference to Goya
This is from http://www.spitfirelist.com/Books/undergrnd.pdf">page 120:

...
Constitutional Americans, a new group headed by George T. Foster and his wife, Mary Leach, secretary to Mrs. Elizabeth Dilling. Mrs. Leach active before Pearl Harbor. Group, according to Foster, "not opposed to having friendly relations to any other country." Pro-Franco, anti-Roosevelt, who, according to them, is a "Communist and controlled by Jewish bankers." Mrs. Roosevelt is denounced as having received a painting by Goya as a gift from the enemies of Franco. The British are responsible for Pearl Harbor. Among the literature a repint of a speech made in Congress by John E. Rankin, who said that the race riots of 1943 in Detroit were fomented by "communistic Jews," who "go around here and hug and kiss these Negroes, dance with them, intermarry with them ...."
...


Heh.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 09:23 PM
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32. Elenore should be proud and her grandchildren very happy.
The painting is probably worth millions by now.



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bananarepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 12:57 AM
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36. Hey Swamp Rat, 'Operation Paperclip' comes to mind! It seems the Nazis won WWII!!! n/t
Edited on Sun Feb-11-07 12:57 AM by bananarepublican
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bananarepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 01:01 AM
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37. Don't forget the 'Gehlen Organisation' was absorbed by the CIA shortly after the war. n/t
Edited on Sun Feb-11-07 01:01 AM by bananarepublican
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ftr23532 Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 01:08 AM
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38. Here's a gazillion Dave Emory shows on German corporate ownership of the US media
It's something we so rarely hear about, which, I guess, isn't too suprising. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=3113547&mesg_id=3116221">Enjoy!
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 12:56 AM
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2. This is a WONDERFUL site!
Thanks for the link! I'll be up most of the evening mining it.

pnorman
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ftr23532 Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 01:25 AM
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5. Dave Emory's spitfirelist site can be data mined for years
It's one of the most important repositories of information in existence for understanding how we got to where we are today, IMO. Here's a link to the audio archive of his radio shows: http://wfmu.org/playlists/DX">link.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 01:59 AM
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7. I know! I'm just starting!
Edited on Sat Feb-10-07 02:19 AM by pnorman
I started reading John Howard Carlson's "Under Cover", something I'd read ~60 years ago, and is probably unobtainable by now. At this moment, I'm into Joseph Schmitt, an Inspector General appointee of Bush, who resigned abruptly under a cloud. He's currently working for Blackwater.

I've been dealing with material of this sort for a long time, including what we call "tinfoil hat" stuff. No problem! As long as names & dates are given, Google will eventually get to the bottom of it. And I don't really care if the source is a little 'crazy'. As long as there's no deliberate deception involved, that person WILL provide something of value.

pnorman
On Edit: Not related to this discussion: I'm in downtown Seattle, and I sensed what seemed like a faint but detectable earthquake about 8:45 PST. Anyone here from Seattle notice anything? It wasn't my imagination. i have a Japanese ornament sitting on my router. It's a set of tiny figurines, suspended from a thread, and very sensitive to even a tiny puff of breath. Over a 5 minute period, it did a lot of jiggling
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ftr23532 Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 04:02 AM
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11. No earthquakes sense down here, but here's some more info on Joseph Schmitz
His whole clan is definitely http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2894588#2900312">quite interesting, as are the http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2894588#2908046">Knights of Malta which he is but one notable member. This Knights of Malta are another quasi-Christofascist group worthy of our scrutiny.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 04:52 AM
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14. I probably wouldn't have noticed it except that I was sitting at an awkwrd angle,
and my body was more "sensitive" than had I been up and walking around. But my improvised "seismograph" was unmistakable. I well recall the BIG one in 2001. I was at the same location, and had just hit SEND to a posting to my union's listserve. That was some WEIRD movement! Shortly afterward, several union brothers from around the country asked: "Everything OK in Seattle?"

Thanks for the other links. I'll be mining this stuff for a long time to come.

pnorman
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 06:30 AM
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15. His shows are broadcast and netcast on kfjc,kpfk,and wfmu
Edited on Sat Feb-10-07 06:32 AM by bananas
During fund-raising he usually comes on live and takes calls.
www.kfjc.org www.kpfk.org www.wfmu.org

edit to add: On kpfk he's not listed on the schedule because his shows are played as part of Roy Tuckman's "Something's Happening" show, Dave's show is played at midnight Wednesday night/Thursday morning.

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ftr23532 Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 12:51 AM
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35. his show plays at midnight? Yeah, that won't trigger any nightmares
And on that note, here's a link to Dave Emory's show #497 titled "Nightmare". It covers both the possibility of war with Iran, and the utilization of end-times progaganda with Christian fundamentalists, referencing . Here's the http://wfmu.org/listen.ram?show=14129">audio link, and here's a http://ftrsummary.blogspot.com/2005/02/ftr-497-nightmare.html">written summary.

Happy listening and pleasant dreams! :bounce:
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 12:59 AM
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3. Father Coughlin was a very dangerous man in his day and FDR knew this
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ftr23532 Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 02:40 AM
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9. now that I recall, Father Coughlin was actually covered in my HS US History book
I can't remember what exactly was said about beyond that it wasn't too positive. I think it was probably a paragraph or two on him, but that's something. I had a great history teacher, so I guess I can't complain beyond the sort of general complaint that comes with watching this country collectively continue down a very dark path. No matter what happens, I really hope future generations don't just learn about the follies of today's times, but all the relevant historical info that led up to it.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 03:06 AM
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10. Contempory accounts speak of walking down some of Chicago's residential streets.
One could hear Father Coughlin's entire sermon without missing a word, passing by each open window.

He most certainly frightened FDR. And I don't believe truly VICIOUS anti-Semitism was all that popular in that part of the country --- until he mad it not only "respectable" but IMMENSELY popular there.

pnorman
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ftr23532 Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 06:06 PM
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25. the fact that the first preacher to use mass communications was a raving anti-Semite...
...is quite telling about how we got to where we are.

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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 01:31 AM
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6. Thanks so much for the link to that site!
That's some stuff I've been meaning to spend more time
educating myself on. Having hard-to-find older books online
is awesome. And there are not nearly enough NEW books that
mention this sort of stuff.
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ftr23532 Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 04:47 AM
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13. Be sure to check out this summary of all those books
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 05:05 PM
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23. Kick! This isn't some tinfoil nuttery, folks; this is how the USA got to be the way it is.
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ftr23532 Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 06:13 PM
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26. Yep, much of the stuff that actually IS tinfoil nuttery is produced by groups like these.
They are masters of the art of telling and selling the Big Lie.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 08:06 AM
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16. Yes, one of the seamier, and more telling, sides of American history
Most people like to think that the US was lily pure in WWII, but in reality we contributed a great deal to the rise of the Nazis. The anti-semetic, pro fascist ideology of Henry Ford and other corporate leaders contributed a great deal to the ideology and rise of Hitler. In fact if it hadn't been for Bush's grandfather and great grandfather, who played a large part in financing Hitler's early years, Hitler would have never risen to prominence.

The German American Bund, essentially the American Nazi party, was quite popular throughout the thirties, in fact the third largest political party behind the Republicans and Democrats. They sold out Madison Sq. Garden among other venues.

Many prominent politicians and American figures were pro fasicist. Charles Lindbergh, Alfred Sloan, William Hurst, and many, many other prominent American leaders embraced and supported fascism in this country. In that there was even a fascist plot, involving many prominent Wall St. figures to overthrow FDR<http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/53-index.html> And while this facism was noticed and commented on, that commentary never made it to the mainstream press of the day, because many were indeed sympathetic, if not outright enthusiastic about fascist ideology<http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/7.pdf>

WWII made fascism unfashionable. It was hard to be overt supporters of fascism while the guys in uniforms were getting killed. Yet covertly Ford, Harriman Bros. and many others continued to, in direct defiance of American interests, support and help fund Hitler and his fascist war machine.

After the war, with the help of the U.S. government, many Nazis escaped justice. They were either taken onto the payroll and became US anti-communist operatives in Europe for the CIA, swept up in many immigration projects like Operartion Paperclip and brought over to the US where their talents were put to use(such as with Werner Von Braun whose knowledge and V2 rockets became the backbone of the US space program, including the moon landing) or were found safe havens in other friendly countries when it became embarassing to continue harboring them in this country(Klaus Barbie is just the most notorius of these).

Meanwhile the fascist ideology continued to survive and thrive in the corridors of power here. Shaping policy, making laws, eating away at the fiber of this country like a cancer. And sadly now, with the scion of Hitler's banker now in power, fascism is close to blooming into its full putrid potential. Our country has gone so far to the right that Goldwater now looks liberal. The marriage of corporatations and an authoritative government is being consumated as we speak. All that it takes now for this to come into full undeniable flower is the emergence of naked government power. One more terrorist attack, or some sort of disaster is all it will take. And much like Hitler, these American fascists aren't above manufacturing such a crisis.

We have become lulled in this country, soothed by the notion that fascism was a European problem that couldn't happen here. Yet not only did the model for fascism arise in this country, it infected the corridors of power and is now close to taking over our entire country. The only solution is for the people to take our government back into the hands of the people, and to cut out the cancer of fascism from both government and corporate America. We still have this chance to do so, but it is getting slimmer everyday. But if we don't, the consequences our almost too horrible to contemplate.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 11:42 AM
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19. "fascist plot, involving many prominent Wall St. figures to overthrow FDR"
There's an excellent History Channel video on this ---- "THE PLOT TO OVERTHROW FDR". It's also on YouTube (so far) at: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=628728631767818729

The book that forms the basis for much of that video is: "THE PLOT TO SEIZE THE WHITE HOUSE", by Jules Archer. That book is now out of print, and apparently unavailable at any price. But here it is on the web: http://www.clubhousewreckards.com/plot/plottoseizethewhitehouse.htm You might want to download each section onto your HD, in case it once again becomes "unavailable". Lastly, read this story about USMC General Smedley Butler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler The conspirators (unwisely) picked him as the "popular leader" of their planned fascistic takeover. But rather than being a "gullible idiot, susceptible to flattery", he proved to be a patriotic whistle-blower!

pnorman
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StefanX Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 04:33 PM
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21. Without IBM, the Nazis could never have committed genocide on such a scale
IBM AND THE HOLOCAUST: The Strategic Alliance Between Nazi Germany and America's Most Powerful Corporation Edwin Black

"IBM and the Holocaust" is the stunning story of IBM's strategic alliance with Nazi Germany -- beginning in 1933 in the first weeks that Hitler came to power and continuing well into World War II. As the Third Reich embarked upon its plan of conquest and genocide, IBM and its subsidiaries helped create enabling technologies, step-by-step, from the identification and cataloging programs of the 1930s to the selections of the 1940s.

Only after Jews were identified -- a massive and complex task that Hitler wanted done immediately -- could they be targeted for efficient asset confiscation, ghettoization, deportation, enslaved labor, and, ultimately, annihilation. It was a cross-tabulation and organizational challenge so monumental, it called for a computer. Of course, in the 1930s no computer existed.

But IBM's Hollerith punch card technology did exist. Aided by the company's custom-designed and constantly updated Hollerith systems, Hitler was able to automate his persecution of the Jews. Historians have always been amazed at the speed and accuracy with which the Nazis were able to identify and locate European Jewry. Until now, the pieces of this puzzle have never been fully assembled. The fact is, IBM technology was used to organize nearly everything in Germany and then Nazi Europe, from the identification of the Jews in censuses, registrations, and ancestral tracing programs to the running of railroads and organizing of concentration camp slave labor.

IBM and its German subsidiary custom-designed complex solutions, one by one, anticipating the Reich's needs. They did not merely sell the machines and walk away. Instead, IBM leased these machines for high fees and became the sole source of the billions of punch cards Hitler needed.

"IBM and the Holocaust" takes you through the carefully crafted corporate collusion with the Third Reich, as well as the structured deniability of oral agreements, undated letters, and the Geneva intermediaries -- all undertaken as the newspapers blazed with accounts of persecution and destruction.



http://www.ibmandtheholocaust.com/

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ibm+edwin+black+nazi&lr=

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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 07:02 PM
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28. I have that book in Audible.com format.
"Listening" isn't the best method for such books, and I'll have to go through it again in the near future. But it makes it's point a lot better than I had thought it might do.

Here are the Amazon.com reviews: http://tinyurl.com/392pna Some raise a few valid objections, but none of any great import. That book still hods its own. A while back, I had bought and downloaded a .pdf version of that book from Amazon (?). I never got around to reading it, and I forgot where I had stored it on my HD. I don't see it listed at Amazon right now, so I'll make a search for it a little later.

pnorman
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 09:46 PM
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33. I FOUND that" IBM and the Holocaust" on my HD.
Edited on Sat Feb-10-07 09:54 PM by pnorman
Being in adobe .pdf format, all the illustrations are easily viewed. So the next time I "listen" to it (via my PDAphone), I can also have it up on my computer monitor. That would make it a lot easier, when I need to Google for amplification and/or verification.

pnorman
On edit: DAMN!! This entire thread is PACKED with worthwhile links and observations! I'm saving the URL, so I can find it easier later on. I suggest that others do the same!
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ftr23532 Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 08:31 PM
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29. Here's a recent SFGate article by Edwin Black on GM's dealings with the Nazis
it's a pretty long article but well worth the read, especially near the end where you how GM's german subsidiary, Opel, was taking over by the Nazis. It was run quite profitably as a major manufacturer for the German war machine and even acquired a bunch of other firms. After the war, all of Opel's profits, the new companies, and even some reparations were given back to GM. Talk about making a killing. Here's the http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/01/07/INGPHNCLHH1.DTL">link.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 08:32 AM
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17. There are many "historic" places and people in Wisconsin directly
related to your OP. The contemporary networks got a big boost when Tommy Thompson (Republican 2008 hopeful) became Governor.

There were 37 WWII POW camps located here, Milwaukee was a major Bund stronghold and today Wisconsin is the homebase of partners of the extreme RW like The Bradley Foundation, The John Birch Society, and social networks of the children and grandchildren of real Nazis and Nazi partisans.

The ruse of using any organized religion to spread the ideologies of extreme RWers (just like the false patriotism, militarism and other characteristics of what was written about in those books) has continued.

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ftr23532 Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 05:58 PM
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24. Ugh, they must have LOOOVED Joe McCarthy back in the day
Here's an interesting archived 1944 "Year in Review" issue of the American Jewish Committee's journal that talk mentions some Wisconsin-based groups within the context of the large rise in nationalism http://ajcarchives.org/AJC_DATA/Files/1944_1945_5_USCivicPolitical.pdf">taking place that year:

Anti-Jewish Manifestations
By ELLEN H. POSNER*

THE upsurge of "super-nationalism" accompanied by
sporadic organized anti-Semitism in the United States during
the period under review can be attributed to the feeling
that the war will soon be over and to the approach of the
1944 Presidential election campaign. Seeing victory for
the allies close at hand, the nationalist network seems to
have become convinced that it could be bolder and more
outspoken with less danger of criticism or imprisonment.
Its energies were largely directed toward the political scene.
An important event of this period was the return of a
third indictment by a Federal Grand Jury on January 3,
1944, in which the Department of Justice, under the direction
of Special Prosecutor O. John Rogge, charged thirty
individuals with "unlawful and willful" conspiracy with
the Nazis for the purpose of establishing a national socialist
form of government in the United States, and with a nationwide
conspiracy to impair the morale of, and cause insubordination
among the armed forces of the nation.

...

Still another reactionary organization has entered the
political arena under the chairmanship of former secretary of
war Harry H. Woodring—the American Democratic National
Committee. Although not avowedly anti-Semitic the
records of some of its leaders indicate its potential influence.
William J. Goodwin, Christian Fronter and leader of the
American Rock Party of Queens County, New York, was
chosen New York representative. Robert M. Harriss, Father
Coughlin's financial adviser, ex-Senator Edward R. Burke
who praised the Nazi regime on his return from a visit to Germany
in 1938, and Mrs. Lyrl Van Hyning of We, the Mothers
Mobilize for America—all were invited to join Woodring's
conferences in Chicago. Admitting defeat in mustering anti-
New Deal support, Woodring resigned as chairman and
withdrew as a member of the Committee on April 2, 1944.
Dr. Gleason L. Archer, president of Suffolk University,
Boston, was elected to succeed him as chairman. The key
position of treasurer is held by William J. Goodwin.

Simultaneously, on January 20, 1944, two "Gentile" associations
were incorporated in the Midwest,—the Gentile
League, in Watertown, Wisconsin, and the Gentile Co-operative
Association, in Chicago, Illinois
. The programs of
both were insidiously anti-Semitic.

Governor Walter S. Goodland of Wisconsin directed the
Attorney General on February 21, 1944, to institute proceedings
against the charter of the League, on the ground that
the group "seeks to foster racial prejudice and deprive the
Jewish people of rights which are guaranteed to all persons
under the state constitution."
The Attorney General filed
a suit in the courts on March 17 to revoke the League's
charter. The Circuit Court revoked the charter.
...


All of those "ex"-Nazis and fascist collaborators brought into this country that helped set up the GOP's Ethnic Outreach groups must have felt quite at home.
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ftr23532 Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 12:00 AM
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34. This summary of the John Roy Carlson's book has a fair amount on the Bund
I haven't even started looking through http://www.spitfirelist.com/Books/under_cover1b.pdf">Under Cover—My Four Years in the Nazi Underworld in America yet, but it looks like it has lots of info on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German-American_Bund">Bund. Here's the http://www.spitfirelist.com/Books/UnderCover.html">summary. Those guys sounded like bad news.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 09:07 AM
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18. Finding a scapegoat that is "not of us" has been the rich folks way historically
Indeed religion or nationalism will do as the carrier of the fog that stops the poor from cutting the throat of the rich.

It really has nothing to do with religion, and everything to do with finding the "not one of us" hook that pulls popular support into the cause that hides the rape of the poor by the rich.
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ancient_nomad Donating Member (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 02:21 PM
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20. Kick
I bookmarked and recommended this shortly after you posted last night and I want to thank you for it. Am off to do some downloading and a lot of reading thanks to all the posters on this thread. I'm especially interested in how fascism has infiltrated the Catholic church. Was reading a bulletin from the church my daughter attends and was taken aback by an announcement re: stem cell use by drug companies in creating new drugs and a call for action by members of the parish.

Thanks again!

:yourock:
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ftr23532 Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 09:20 PM
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31. Thanks, and for more on fascist infiltration on the Catholic Church
There's a bunch of links related to Opus Dei, the Knights of Malta, the P2 Lodge, etc http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5674">here. Enjoy!
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nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 04:57 PM
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22. kick
um... I've recommended this already... how do I kick it?
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 06:27 PM
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27. Thanks for posing this. n/t
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 01:14 AM
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39. Kicking, even if it's too late to recommend this thread.
I've learned a lot from the links here.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 01:29 AM
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40. Woah, you read my mind. For personal reasons, namely my horror at the mess
Edited on Sun Feb-11-07 01:30 AM by BlueIris
we're still in, I've been wanting to find out more about the post-war years, when the Nazis made their escape to places like Latin America and other nations.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 01:34 AM
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41. "If only they taught this stuff in high-school...."
Exactly. Thanks for sharing your research. Where do you find the time!?!

Also, the vast majority of high schoolers will trade their labor for wages. Yet there is no labor history taught. And no workers rights nor law taught.

Gee, wonder why?
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jdadd Donating Member (950 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 01:51 AM
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42. Thanks a lot....
I'm going to bed now...I've bookmarked for later research.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 02:35 AM
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43. now those fascist organizations have a new name
repukes
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