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Locut0s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 02:50 AM
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Jesus Camp - The movie
Just finished watching this movie. I have to say it terrified and dismayed me. A truly horrifying look into the way evangelical Christians are brain washing their children!
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nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 02:54 AM
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1. give 'em time and they will be coming after us godless types. n/t
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Locut0s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 03:55 AM
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4. That's what they are training their kids for. The movie says as much and goes as far as...
all but openly praising those in other countries who take up arms in the name of their religion. While they of course feel that anyone else who believes in anything but their form of God is inferior there is clearly a sense of respect in the way the woman in the commentary speaks of religious fanatics of other religions. She sees that as a model for what American Christians should be like. They brainwash their children at a young age, that's what I intend to do here.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 07:56 PM
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20. Christian jihadists
It will happen. They will be referred to in the media in other countries as "Bush loyalists".
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 12:39 AM
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24. What do you mean give them time
I have already been acosted numerous times for my atheism. I have friends that have been forced off the road due to darwin fish stickers on their car. I have friends that have lost their jobs due to their atheism. We already cannot be elected to public office if we are open about our atheism. It is permissible to belittle atheists on TV on a regular basis with no public outcry.

So what do you mean give them time?
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ecoflame Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 02:57 AM
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2. If I remember correctly,
the 'camp' has since closed due to the "negative publicity." I just got the movie and will watch this weekend.
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Locut0s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 07:47 PM
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17. That's good news if true. No doubt this is just one of several such camps though. Can't...
imagine this kind of thing being rare.
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 02:53 AM
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26. It's not.
I grew up in a fundie family. I should rephrase: my own immediate family was not, but the auntie who took me to church was. It took a few months before my parents realized the sh*t they were spewing at me. I was then removed, but the family was hurt in the process. Lots of us ignore the others to this day - going on 25 years. It's awful, but I suppose necessary. My father always believed in applying reason and faith to life. I agree with him. Anyone who tells me I am wrong to actually think denies and belittles the mind God gave me, or so I have come to believe.

The good news is, back during the thick of it, I stumped the pastor on who Cain and Abel could marry, seeing they were Adam and Eve's kids. He turned as red as a beet and almost exploded. Count one for the unindoctrinated and/or curious! :-)
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Dammit Ann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 03:12 AM
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3. Kinda explains Repugs doesn't it?
Edited on Sat Feb-10-07 03:12 AM by dammitann
I have always been fascinated by how they can think what they do. Early and consistant brainwashing must be the key to their indoctrination.
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Locut0s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 04:00 AM
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5. It goes beyond that and highlights just how insidious and deep rooted the...
problem is. These are people who are working on a different level than the rest of us. They play WAY out in front and are more than willing to devote their entire lives to brainwashing children of this generation to create a holy political and military army for the next generation and those to come. I just don't see how we can fight against that kind of fanaticism.
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Dammit Ann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 04:07 AM
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8. We can...
Edited on Sat Feb-10-07 04:07 AM by dammitann
and WE MUST. Keep spreading the idea that an open mind is the only weapon we have.
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nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 12:09 AM
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22. followed up by weekly
neurolinguistic programming sessions. Feel the spirit of the lord as the hypnosis sets in...
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 04:01 AM
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6. Sounds interesting....
I haven't seen this particular documentary, but I am sure it is similar to "Friends of God" which I saw on HBO recently....
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Locut0s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 04:07 AM
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7. What made this one particularly effective was the images of the children and...
the clear and very transparent brainwashing tactics these, frankly evil people, were using on them. Scenes in which children are crying because of the supposed religious experience they are having and others where they preach and spout material they are far too young to even begin to understand the true meaning of are the scariest.
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Locut0s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 04:09 AM
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10. Although "Friends of God" looks very good too. Good clip here:
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physioex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 04:13 PM
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14. Yep...
I have HBO and with on demand I can watch the whole thing anytime. Find a way to watch this if possible.....
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Nicole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 04:09 AM
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9. Praising that cut out of Bush was freaky
Those poor kids.
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Locut0s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 04:13 AM
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11. Yeah when I saw that I just went WTF you got to be kidding me!
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Nicole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 04:15 AM
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12. My thoughts exactly. n/t
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 04:30 AM
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13. It was on YouTube for a while, but no longer.
I may have to buy that DVD. Here are some related videos you can either order as DVDs, or view on-line: http://www.theocracywatch.org/audio-video.htm

Be sure to view: "Life and Liberty for All Who Believe", and catch that reworded "Pledge of Allegiance" they recite. Also, watch them gleefully tossing "evil" books into a bonfire.

pnorman
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 04:14 PM
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15. I downloaded Jesus Camp from a bit torrent site awhile back. nt
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 05:50 PM
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16. I never could get Bit-torrent to work for me.
The problem might be with my computer being messed up, as I experience other seemingly inexplicable derangements on occasion. Probably time to reinstall the OS (WIN XP, Home), but that is a scarey thought for me. I'd rather buy that DVD instead! (It's about $20.)

pnorman
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 07:26 AM
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31. Saw it on Google Videos free. Very distutbing. nt
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 12:47 AM
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25. It's available to watch online here:
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 05:05 AM
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27. I had no idea such a resource was available!
It's a little jerky, since I have to step through each segment manually. That's okay. Right now, I'm on segment 13, and they're all worshiping that life-sized cut out of GWB. Later on, I'll dig out that Ted Haggard scene. THANX for that site! I may be up till dawn on it!

pnorman

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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 06:53 AM
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28. I just found it recently myself!
Pretty cool, eh?
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 06:56 AM
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29. I have a copy of it, don't want to share it out because of copyright
I think it can be found on torrents though.
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 07:54 PM
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18. I saw the trailer
The kids look freaky!
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 07:54 PM
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19. Jesus Camp is truly frightening. Everyone must see it.
The one scene where the kids are speaking in tongues around a cardboard cut-out of Bush... :yoiks:
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 07:57 PM
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21. I couldn't finish it
It's just too freaky.
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Locut0s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 12:34 AM
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23. And yet a sizeable portion of the US population agrees with this stuff.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 06:57 AM
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30. Really freakin' scary... cult indoctrination methods...
:(
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Altean Wanderer Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 08:25 AM
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32. Yes, especially visible in the tears on their faces, looking upwards.. n/t
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-11-07 08:32 AM
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33. The one little doubting boy who cries all the time... you want to pick him up
and take him for immediate emergency deprogramming...!
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