Breaking :Putin attacks the US

In a scathing address at the Global Security Conference in Germany, Putin blamed the US' arbitrary use of force across the globe for the spread of Nuclear Weapons.
According to BBC International TV, an angry Putin spared no punches in his address, leaving many participants shocked at his forthrightness.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1103AP_Security_Conference.html?source=mypi
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MUNICH, Germany -- Russian President Vladimir Putin blasted the United States Saturday for the "almost uncontained" use of force in the world, and for encouraging other countries to acquire nuclear weapons.

Putin told a security forum that "we are witnessing an almost uncontained hyper use of force in international relations" and that "one state, the United States, has overstepped its national borders in every way.

"This is very dangerous, nobody feels secure anymore because nobody can hide behind international law," Putin told the gathering.

Edit:Correct conference title, add link

...Let Putin not be the last to make such statements.

PS: Its all *s fuckin fault!

"This is very dangerous, nobody feels secure anymore because nobody can hide behind international law,".

Indeed Putin is correct. About time world leaders spoke out.

Looks like the Norwegians are preparing for the likely outcome of this madness.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6335899.stm

warmonger, a violator of human rights and international law a violator of human rights and international law, a reckless cowboy a reckless cowboy, a bully a bully.

Edited: spelling

And they used to be such close "friends". But, then again, sometimes it takes a close "friend", to tell you what you don't want to hear.

"I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy….I was able to get a sense of his soul."

—George W. Bush, after meeting Russian President Vladimir Putin, June 16, 2001

I wonder what Lord Pissypants thinks now?

He'll probably deny that he said that.
ABC link

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=2865154

We simply have to get the M$M to stop doing this!

and con, he does.

Love the con. :D

Bush has truly earned the moniker "miserable failure". The man is a complete idiot.

Russia is still a world leader. Hopefully many more will now see it as no longer impolite to tell the world in blunt terms just how unsafe Bush has made this world.

speech

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ct=title&ie=UTF-8&ncl=1113512027

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Putin's comments to a weekend forum attended by 250 officials, including Defense Secretary Robert Gates

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Can't wait for the US response because Putin merely spoke the truth.

Edit -add snip.

Good to see. 2 pages worth as of right now.

doctrine is now a model for anyone who can get their hands on nuclear capability. That's what happens when a Super Power uses force to maintan control, when the reality is, that if they were in control, they wouldn't have to resort to violence. I think Bush has shown our hand. We are no longer the Alpha Dog that can turn its back on the pack.

:applause: Chimpy has done screwed the pooch and everyone knows it.

especially one with former KGB ties

remember - he looked into Putin's eyes and saw his soul... and went on to gush about what a good man Putin is.

It has long puzzled me why all the old coldwarrior-hardliners were so unconcerned per Bush and his blind eye (so to speak) to Putin. When Putin ended elections for regional governors and made them appointments by... him - our govt was silent. When Putin moved to control the judiciary - our admin and the rwmedia was... silent. You would think that they would have been concerned - esp with his experience witht he KGB - and if I recall it isn't just KGB ties - I believe he was head of the KGB.

Much of the posting you will see hear on DU per Putin - comes from the 'irony' that I have just written about above.

European affairs.

I guess she studied at the Reagan school of "Do nothing and take credit for whatever good happens" foreign relations.

Deal with facts.

and didn't get up from her chair until after all the photographers left the room.

Man I'd get creeped if a KGB guy looked at me like this! Sheesh!

(snip)
"The United States has overstepped its borders in all spheres - economic, political and humanitarian and has imposed itself on other states," he told delegates at he 43rd Munich Conference on Security Policy.

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The United States, he said, had gone "from one conflict to another without achieving a fully-fledged solution to any of them".

Mr Putin also took aim at US plans to site a missile defence system close to Russia's border in NATO countries the Czech Republic and Poland, adding that any further enlargement of the alliance would be inappropriate.

"Why is it necessary to put military infrastructure on our border? It's hardly connected to today's global threats. What is the threat? Terrorism and fighting it," Mr Putin said.

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On the subject of numerous killings of Russian journalists during his presidency, Mr Putin turned the question back to the United States, saying that it was in Iraq that most journalists were killed doing their job.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21206452-1702,00.html

Putin's comments speaks volumes about a global fear of Bushco's madness.

He's an idiot, but he's still right about the US. The US is making the world a much more dangerous place, and it has thumbed its nose at international law. Putin on the other hand... where to start...

but he's no idiot! And I think a lot of people are beginning to see that as a very attractive characteristic in a geopolitical heavyweight!

We keep comparing Iran to Nazi Germany when in fact the only thing keeping us from being compared to Nazi Germany is a little genocide...But we'll getting close to that in Iraq...
Duckie

When other countries like Russia feel that we are a risk to their security, that we are an uncontained rogue nation acting badly, that puts us in the position of possibly being "contained" by other countries. That is the LAST thing any of us want. Sanctions, embargoes, ocupation. If we can't reign fuckwad in, they will be more than happy to do it for us. But we do not want that. Our reps need to pull their craniums out of their rectums stat!

Over the past two weeks, seven of our helicopters have been downed by enemy fire in Iraq, generating much speculation that the Insurgents have gotten their hands on a sophisticated surface to air missile system.

Not good news for the Home Team.

My more-that-a-little-informed guess-- underscored by Putin's recent remarks-- is that they're getting them from Russia, laundered through the Black Market.


First...Putin and the Russians have these kinds of armaments... and they've been used before in Iraq:

<snip> The weapon employed was a shoulder-mounted surface-to-air missile (SAM) known as the SAM-14 Gremlin (early reports said it was the SAM-7; the SAM-14 is the follow-on system to the SAM-7).

Russian made, it is a portable missile thought to be in the hands of many would-be terrorists around the world. This missile is a serious threat to commercial aircraft on takeoffs and landings, and when flying below 18,000 feet.

Crew of one needed to acquire target and fire.
Reload time 25 seconds.
Maximum range: 6,000 meters, 18,000 feet.
Maximum altitude: 6,000 meters, 18,000 feet
Missile speed: 600 meters (1,800 feet) per second
Guidance: Passive Infrared homing (guides toward heat such as provided by an aircraft engine)
Fuse type: Explodes on contact.
Warhead: Fragmentary<snip>

Second...anyone remember when Cheney lectured Putin on "democracy" last year:

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=192187...

VILNIUS, Lithuania May 4, 2006 (AP)— Vice President Dick Cheney accused Vladimir Putin's Russia on Thursday of restricting the rights of its citizens, and said "no legitimate interest is served" by turning energy resources into implements of blackmail.

"In Russia today, opponents of reform are seeking to reverse the gains of the last decade," Cheney told a conference of Eastern European leaders whose countries once lived under Soviet oppression, and now in Russia's shadow.<snip>

"No legitimate interest is served when oil and gas become tools of intimidation or blackmail, either by supply manipulation or attempts to monopolize transportation," he said. "And no one can justify actions that undermine the territorial integrity of a neighbor, or interfere with democratic movements."

It was among the strongest remarks that any U.S. official has made publicly about Putin's leadership style. The Bush administration for the most part has tried to play down, at least publicly, any strong differences with Putin.<snip>

If YOU were Putin, wouldn't YOU be working to slow down these NeoCon blowhards?

The penultimate weapon in the defeat of the Soviets in Afhanistan was US made, shoulder launched, Stinger missiles - employed by muhajadin to disrupt Russian helicopter ops essential for moving men and material across the rugged Afghan landscape.

In Iraq, the increasing effectiveness of insurgent IEDs to attack overland transportation has lead to an increasing US reliance on helos to replace landbourn ops. In response, insurgents now appear to using shoulder fired missiles to attack US helos and further disrupt/constrain US intra-theater movements.

In the words of Yogi Bera, "It's deja-vu all over again". Only this time, the roles of the Soviets and US are reversed.

I'm not disagreeing with Putin's premise that the US is is playing fast and loose with international law.

But he would be a more credible critic if not for:

Assassinating critics overseas
Chechnya
Georgia
Belarus
And anywhere else he has his hands

and putin is correct about Bushies they think that they have the right to tell everyone what to do when other countries see and know of their crimes...

remember the horror a few years ago? the Putin-ites blamed Chechnyan terrorists, then terrorised Chechnya blah blah blah. Not good. BUT! he never used his own authored atrocity to wage war on his own people, to destroy their institutions, to corrupt their media or tie them up in endless stupid war; robbing the treasury of his own country. IOW's, there's a ghastly logic to what Putin does, agree or no, but bushinc? They seem to want to kill all the world's kittens, or something, for no other reason then dead kittens make them fatter, somehow (and liberals love cats, i guess)

Again, the lengths that some here will go to dismiss the atrocities of others is staggering.

do in Amerika...

the radioactive packages that Litvenenko had swallowed? Reminded me of drug smuggling op gone wrong..

Your standards re what is credible and what is not might need rethinking.

But Putin has little moral authority to talk. This is coming from a president who kills his critics with plutonium, can't secure his own nuclear stockpile, and wages an immoral war on his own population while letting the Russian Mafia(many of whom are his buddies) run his economy in the manner most beneficial to their own pocketbook.

Putin speaks the truth, but he has little moral authority to do so.

I don't like his cutting back on their newfound freedoms, but they elected him.

Besides, who cares about moral authority? The truth is the truth.

Trying to make it personal is silly. This truth cannot be hidden, even if you can point some moral finger at anyone who says it. Let it be repeated by any other leader and somebody will find something wrong with that leader. Yet it will still be true.

And this sort of death by radiation is an old KGB trick. No, we don't know for sure, but damn close to being there.

And there are international leaders who can indeed point such fingers and have a clean conscience. Kofi Annan can and has. Nelson Mandella can and should. And there are others.

The reason I would prefer that such approbation comes from somebody without blood on their hands is because then such criticism has that much more impact. And god knows, Bush needs all the impact that can be slapped upside his head as is possible.

It's been true for a while now.

Russia has not passed missile technology to Iran, but other countries, including European, did, President Vladimir Putin said Saturday.

Iran has been under international pressure since it resumed uranium enrichment in January 2006, which some Western countries suspect is part of a covert nuclear weapons program.

'I have no evidence to show that Russia, in the 1990s, helped Iran create its own missile technology. Other countries acted there. Technology was transferred through different channels. We have proof, and earlier I passed it directly to the U.S. president,' Putin told the Munich Conference on Security Policy.

'Technology is coming from Europe, from Asian countries. Russia has nothing to do with this,' he said.

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/29302.html

that's a really unfortunate thread title. I pulled out my "The Day After" DVD and got under the table when I read that.

It was a bit unsettling to say the least. I'm sure not intentionally, but it stung.

But I admit I had visions of Putin on a horse charging the "US" with a spear.

Sorry if I scared you

Transcript of speech

http://kremlin.ru/eng/speeches/2007/02/11/0138_type82914type84779_118135.shtml

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"This is very dangerous, nobody feels secure anymore because nobody can hide behind international law."

If our congress is unable or refuses to act, then it is up to the international community to bring charges against the bush junta.