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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 06:50 AM
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Gen. Cody: No new tactics in copter attacks (AP)
Gen.: No new tactics in copter attacks

By ROBERT BURNS, AP Military Writer

1 hour, 16 minute ago

BAGRAM AIR BASE, Afghanistan - There is no basis for believing that insurgents' recent
success in shooting down U.S. helicopters in Iraq means they have developed new attack
methods or discovered new U.S. vulnerabilities, the Army's vice chief of staff said
Saturday.

"I see no change in trends" on the part of the insurgent's targeting efforts, "and I see
no capability gaps" on the part of U.S. forces, Gen. Richard Cody said in an interview
en route to this air base north of Kabul, Afghanistan's capital.

Cody said all U.S. helicopters in Iraq recently received upgraded defensive systems to
protect them against known threats like anti-aircraft missiles, although he acknowledged
that helicopters on combat missions face inherent dangers, including small arms fire if
they fly low to avoid being targeted by missiles.

"We've been studying the heck out of this thing," he said, referring to the crashes,
which began in January with the shootdown of a Black Hawk helicopter in which all 12
U.S. soldiers were killed. Later in January two Apache attack helicopters were shot down,
apparently by small arms fire, killing two in each.

-snip-

Full article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070210/ap_on_re_mi_ea/us_iraq_helicopters

So folks, the loss of 6 helicopters in 18 days does not necessarily mean
that the insurgents are more capable.

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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 06:54 AM
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1. just six random lucky shots
check.
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Mortos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 07:27 AM
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2. There goes a right wing war monger talking point
I have seen numerous comments, many here at DU, claiming knowledge that the shootdowns were a result of IRANIAN supplied SAM-7 missiles. This "evidence" is being used to bang the drums of war and implicate Iran in overt aggression to U.S. troops in Iraq.

Of course the fact that the aforementioned talking point is complete bullshit won't keep people on the right from using it over and over again. Kinda like the WMD that was discovered in Iraq that wasn't.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 08:33 AM
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3. I heard a retired major (he served in IraqNam) on local news radio
he stated that the IEDs were so effective these days, that more and more transportation is done by chopper. the increased use of choppers was going to lead to more crashes and shoot downs. (Oh, despite tons of maintenance, these birds are wearing out and are apparently on their last legs)

He also said that even those huge new personnel carriers (strykers) are at risk, something the military does not like to talk about.

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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 09:12 AM
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4. Could be. A lot of the stuff is pretty old, I remember reading about
some of the helicopters being used now were pulled out of the aircraft boneyard in Arizona and refitted. I've also heard the fine sand of Iraq is tough on all kinds of machinery. I don't think we can know for sure, though, they (the military) seem to have the media well under control.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 09:16 AM
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5. If his own copter..
... gets shot down, maybe then he'll see.

The utter cluelessness or ability to lie of so many of these high-ranking military types leaves me disheartened.

I expected that shit from the civilian side, but every day that passes I realize our military is as incompetent as Bush himself.
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Shipwack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-10-07 09:48 AM
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6. Our military is -not- incompetent
Edited on Sat Feb-10-07 09:49 AM by Shipwack
Our rank and file military is not incompetent. However, the leadership is rank with "yes" men who'd sell out their subordinates in a heart beat if it meant more shiny stuff for their uniform. The higher up you go in rank, the more useless and self-serving they are.

These men know if they want to get a promotion and a cushy job when they retire, they don't want to disagree with what Bush wants, or tell the boy-king anything he doesn't want to here.
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