so is it the law now that I have to have my license on me at all times?

What if I am taking a walk around the block?

What if someone else is driving?

What if I am playing soccer in the park across the street from my house?

Am I required to have a drivers license on me for these activities???

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the U.S. needs a national I.D. program like other countries. These photos illustrate what immediately came to my mind.

I sure hope the GOP doesn't pick him. He'd show up at the convention in his woman's dress.

Somebody send him back to the crypt.

—in which someone refused to show his receipt for a purchase at a Circuit City. There's quite a budding new Civil Rights movement going on in DU today about it.

They might have a different view of the issues.

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com:80/Find-Freedom.htm?At=023277&From=News

BTW, he's accepting donations for his legal defense. LOL!

read the whole thing.

This drama queen brought it all on himself. I think he is a figure of ridicule. There are real Civil Rights and citizen rights issues in this country today, and this guy's silly crusade of how-dare-they-make-me-show-a-receipt is making a mockery of them. Accepting Paypal donations for his legal defense, indeed.

Sigh.

. . . well, I'll not bve the person to make light of him or her.

(Have you ever been in jail . . . for matters "great" OR "small"? I have.)

The sense I got, in reading his blow-by-blow description of the event, was that here was a hothead looking for a confrontation who got one. He needlessly put his family through upset because of his silly melodrama; he wasted a cop's time on it, and he's about to waste a judge's time. This is not a heretofore-underpublicized example of civil rights being violated, and I am deeply contemptuous of the attempt to dress it up as one. It's a story of a struggle of wills between two parties neither of whom would let go, and of a cop who wasn't able to use common sense to deflate the egos involved to end the confrontation. It is a silly, silly story of a self-important hothead, and I sincerely hope the court teaches him a very expensive lesson.

But evidently, many here expect you to willingly give up your rights.

Wonder how many of them have posted complaints about DEMS in Congress not standing up for our rights.
My ol momma always said, 'One shouldn't ask others to do for them what they aren't willing to do for themselves.'

how do i know this, i and my hubby have actually driven and rented cars, and your usa driver's license is good to go anywhere in north america

i cannot think of one exception, it is good in canada, mexico, costa rica, panama, certainly, however, for mexico you do have to buy the mexican car insurance -- i mean, maybe i couldn't use my usa driver's license in nicaragua but as far as i know i could even use it there :shrug:

you can go to AAA for a small price and get an "international driver's license" which translates your driver's license into spanish, french, etc. if you don't trust mexican or canadian police to be able to read your license

but you're good to go already, you'd be surprised, it's a small world

Most (if not all) states require that adults carry a "valid" form of ID (as defined by the State) at all times when in public. The ID must be shown to an officer of the law "upon request." Failure to do so is an offense. It is also an offense in some jurisdictions not to have sufficient funds "to purchase a meal."

A driver's license, State-issued ID card or passport are the only universally accepted forms of ID.

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:rofl:

But I'll spend a few minutes looking up some sources and post them. Anyone who's interested can Google the "vagrancy laws" for their state.

1st hit on google:

http://www.dumblaws.com/laws/united-states/illinois/

...by the "stop and identify" laws in a number of states. Others, like California, have reinstated much of the effect of the old vagrancy laws by requiring the production of ID for any "traffic offense" whether or not the offender is operating a vehicle (for jaywalking, blocking a driveway or riding a bike incorrectly, for example). Others still have some vestiges of the old law (like Illinois' requirement to have at least a dollar on your person that you cite, or the Michigan one cited by another poster).

So it seems the effect of the rulings that overturned many of the vagrancy laws has been to push the ID regulations down to the local level. It's almost like you have to search community by community to know what your rights are.

From the John Gilmore case:
"Since John filed his suit, the public has found out several things. First, the 9th Circuit has seen the Secret Law on ID at airports and, according to them, one can either choose to show ID or 'volunteer' for additional screening. Many people have since chosen 'secondary screening' at airports around the country and successfully flown without showing their papers, most famously a member of the Department of Homeland Security's Privacy Advisory Committee."
http://papersplease.org/gilmore/facts.html

Not very bright either.

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in most states. Who carries I.D. when taking a walk?

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to rent a motel room for 1 night. In the bigger cities you can and will be jailed on vagrancy charges. I had a relitive that was strong armed robbed in a city park, the theives took his money and clothes. When the police showed up he was arrested for vagracy and indecnt exposer. He spent the night in jail.

I was "jay walking" and when he asked for my license, I said, "Why, I'm walking, not driving." Of course he gets all red faced and mad and I get a ticket and end up doing community service with hard-core criminals (heh, heh!).

Here, you're required to produce ID if you commit any "traffic offense," whether or not you're in a vehicle. Jay-walking would certainly trigger that provision, as would riding a bicycle incorrectly.

part of my bicycle turned backwards. Seriously. I was going down the bike path and kept saying aloud "What's wrong with my bike?" and a guy walking along yelled out " 'Cause your bike is backwards!" Heck, I didn't even know it could be turned backwards.

That's something I would do! "What's wrong with my bike?" Yep, been there, cringed at that. :hi:

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crossing the street from my apartment to the store to get some gatorade (I was packing to move) Cops asked for ID, one with a hand on his gun, told him I was just walking to the store and had only $5 in cash and my keys on me. he wasn't happy, so I offered to walk with them back to my apartment, and they could wait outside while I went in to get it. I didn't want to complain too much, because I was still trying to get out of the ticket. He was all for it, but his partner said not to worry about it. so I got a $77 jaywalking ticket.

First, the good news: California does NOT have a stop and identify law. Police officers in this state cannot require you to produce identification unless they witness you violating the law, or have a reasonable suspicion that you have done so.

Now, the bad: California has a law on the books making it mandatory for everyone over the age of 18 to at least carry some sort of identification when out in public. State ID, a drivers license, and a passport are all considered valid state ID's. Some school ID cards that carry personal information are also accepted (most aren't).

In reality, everyone over the age of about 15 in this state should at least have an ID card on them if they don't want to be arrested. If the police reasonably suspect that you have committed a crime and look like you even MIGHT be over 18, they can arrest and detain you until your identity (and age) are verified. If you're over 18 and don't have any ID, you can expect a fine. If you're under 18, they'll release you without charge and offer the "friendly" suggestion that you get a state ID since "you look over 18". Yes, I do know someone who went through this.

I've never heard of this!

to be fair.

I "lost" my driver's license before, and got a ride from a friend to work, and he ended up getting pulled over for speeding, dumbass. Anyways, the cops asked for my ID, and I explained I didn't have it because I couldn't find it that morning before work. There was no issue here, my friend got his speeding ticket, I didn't get cited or anything.

that implies that everyone must have a license.

I have an Aunt who has never operated a motor vehicle in her life. She has never even had a license.

Cheers
Drifter

Also in the state of michigan if your on probation or parole you can be violated for not carrying a DL or State ID.

as that is what my post addresses.

ThankYou
Drifter

I guess you just want the narcotraffickers and ecoterrorists to win.

As long as they buy me a drink first...

bushitler state now.

Just suppose that during that walk around the block, you are mowed down by a truck. It would help emergency workers or police if they were able to identify you.

That's why I carry fake ID on me at all times. :)

Although, if I am walking near my house I don't carry ID. All other times I am.

only your local public defender knows for sure, but it's called a Terry search and the law is slowly evolving on just how far you can go to refuse to identify yourself.

There are many older exceptions to what you might consider invasions of your personal privacy, too.

next question?

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and it doesn't have to be a driver's license- it can also be a state-issued i.d. card.

To me, it boils down to choosing your battles. I'm old enough now to know there are certain fights I can't win.

Giving someone a raft of shit who is carrying a badge, a gun, a nightstick, and a can of mace falls in that category.

as far as i know it is not required at all times in louisiana or mississippi, two other states where i spend a great deal of time

but in nevada but for some reason, yeah, you are supposed to have it, i believe it may have been legislation originally pushed thru by the casinos but it was before my time and already in place for, gosh, at least 20 years as far as i know about

i don't think they usually arrest tho, it's a warning, and after they get tired of dealing with you many many many many MANY times you might get a $50 ticket

it doesn't have to be a license, it can be a state ID or a passport, probably military ID is OK too, can't remember right now

i would add, as other posters point out, pretty stupid to be out in public w.out ID, if you are hurt, have a seizure, etc. and need medical treatment, you're going to get considerably different care if you have ID plus health insurance card than if you have empty pockets