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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 05:52 AM
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fuckhead vows to veto Foreign Operations Budget passed yesterday
Why? Because of this: "...specifically agreeing to ease restrictions to allow family planning groups cut off from U.S. aid to accept U.S.-donated contraceptives."


By Deborah Tate
Capitol Hill
07 September 2007


The U.S. Senate has approved late Thursday a spending bill to fund State Department and other foreign operations activities. The vote was 81 to 12. But President Bush is expected to veto the measure because it also eased restriction on federal funds going to organizations that promote abortions in other countries. VOA's Deborah Tate reports from Capitol Hill.

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Senator Patrick Leahy, a Vermont Democrat who led the debate on the bill, highlighted other aspects of the legislation, including programs to promote understanding between the United States and the Muslim world: "We provide $509 million for educational and cultural exchange programs, particularly to build bridges with predominantly Muslim countries," he said.

Leahy says the measure includes about a $1 billion in aid to Afghanistan for reconstruction and to help counter the resurgence of the Taleban and al-Qaida. He also notes the bill includes money to help refugees and displaced persons around the world, including in Darfur, Sudan, Colombia, and Iraq.

"More than four million Iraqis have fled their homes. Many of these people work for the United States government, or U.S. contractors, or U.S. news media, and they are being targeted for their affiliations, and they cannot even get help in getting out of there," he said. "Other Iraqis are being killed simply because they are academic scholars or officials of Iraq's Ministry of Education. We have a moral responsibility to help these people."

But President Bush has vowed to veto the bill if it lifts restrictions on family planning aid to overseas health organizations that perform abortions or promote the procedure as a means of family planning. The Senate late Thursday voted 53 to 41 to do just that, specifically agreeing to ease restrictions to allow family planning groups cut off from U.S. aid to accept U.S.-donated contraceptives.

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http://www.voanews.com/english/2007-09-07-voa5.cfm
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93ncsu Donating Member (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 06:09 AM
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1. This is a good exampe of why ...
the line item veto is needed. Presidents are often forced to veto a generally good bill because of a couple of items they cannot support.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 06:14 AM
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2. Sorry, that's no reason for a line item veto
Which I'm not sure I support anyway. I also suspect that he'd find another reason to veto the bill.
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93ncsu Donating Member (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 06:52 AM
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3. I think it's the perfect example of why a line item veto is needed
If the President had the line item veto, what woudld be his excuse for vetoing the bill ? He would have none.

The Democrats campaigned as a party of fiscal responsibility in 2006, and they would be verifying that claim by giving the President the tools needed to constrain out-of-control pork projects that are unrelated to the underlying bill.

This has been needed for decades, not just right now.

We are saddling our children and grandchildren with huge financial burdens due to the pork projects that exist in almost every piece of legislation. It's immoral.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 07:16 AM
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4. The Line Item Veto was declared unconstitutional when
Clinton had it for a short while.

I once thought it was a half-way decnet idea, but I am now against it. W/O the LIV, congress is pushed to compromise, and a democracy cannot function w/o compromise. A LIV would give the already far too powerful Executive Branch even more power, and if somewhere down the line, we get a president that is even half as bad as bush has proven to be, a LIV would be a disaster.

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93ncsu Donating Member (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 09:44 AM
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7. The LIV could only be established by an Amendment to the Constitution ...
Also, I do not believe it would give the executive more power or make Congress less likely to compromise.

It has not had these effects in the states were governors have this power.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 10:26 AM
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11. I believe it would give the Executive Branch immense power...
right to the point where anything he/she would feel politically expedient to veto, would be just linjed out of a Bill.

The Founders knew full werll that some dim bulbs might well occupy the Executive Mansion, and that politics pervades every aspect of out society. They also knew that royalty had a LIV to an extent in Europe, and that proved disastrous for the countries said royalty ruled over.

Givign bush, or any future president such power goes far beyond what most of us would call "principled". The problem is w/congress and the whole earmarking situation and bad legsilature. There is no way an idiot like bush could fix this w/a LIV, and the future would be even more precarious, as we have no notion as to what some other, less that bright individual might do.
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Rob H. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:33 AM
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5. Bush has already found a way around vetoing outright bills that he doesn't support
He signs the bill into law and then issues a signing statement which says, in effect, that he doesn't have to obey or enforce key provisions of the bill that he has just signed. Given that Bush has added more than 800 signing statements to new laws since he took office, giving him a line-item veto would be a potentially catastrophic mistake, imo.

Welcome to DU, 93ncsu! :)
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93ncsu Donating Member (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 09:42 AM
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6. Signing statements carry no legal authority ...
Many Presidents have made them, and none of them carry any weight. If challenged in court, they would lose.
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Rob H. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:39 AM
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9. True enough, but he hasn't vetoed a single bill,
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 10:44 AM by Rob H.
which takes from Congress the ability to override his veto. He's essentially signing bills into law and saying he'll ignore parts of them as he sees fit.

This article on Slate makes a case for at the very least being wary of signing statements. (Emphasis in bold added by me.)

Excerpt:

Dismissing these statements because they carry so little legal force is as dangerous as writing off any of Bush's other extreme legal claims to boundless authority. Because while these cases slowly wend their way through the court system, there are real-life consequences to Bush's policies—and especially his torture policies—on the ground.

First, consider the substance of Bush's statements. Of the 505 constitutional objections he has raised over the years, Cooper found the most frequent to be the 82 instances in which Bush disputed the bill's constitutionality because Article II of the Constitution does not permit any interference with his "power to supervise the unitary executive." That's not an objection to some act of Congress. That's an objection to Congressional authority itself. Similarly, Cooper counted 77 claims that as president, Bush has "exclusive power over foreign affairs" and 48 claims of "authority to determine and impose national security classification and withhold information." Bush consistently uses these statements to prune back congressional authority and even—as he does in the McCain statement—to limit judicial review. He uses them to assert and reassert that his is the last word on a law's constitutional application to the executive. As he has done throughout the war on terror, Bush arrogates phenomenal new constitutional power for himself and, as Cooper notes, "these powers were often asserted without supporting authorities, or even serious efforts at explanation."

And if you believe that all this executive self-aggrandizement is meaningless until and unless a court has given it force, you are missing the whole point of a signing statement: These statements are directed at federal agencies and their lawyers. One of their main historical purposes was to afford agencies a glance at how the president wants a statute to be enforced. As Jack Balkin observed almost immediately after the McCain bill, signing statements represent the president's signal to his subordinates about how he plans to enforce a law. And when a president deliberately advises his subordinates that they may someday be asked to join him in breaking a law, he muddies the legal waters, as well as the chain of command.

--snippage--

Should we dismiss these statements just because President Bush is so brazen in his claims? So willing to take legal positions that are undefended because they're legally indefensible? Will all this just go away someday, when a court dismisses these statements as excessive and unfounded? No. Because President Bush isn't trying to win this war in the courts. Thus far, he has faced each legal setback as though it never happened; or—more often—he's recast it as a victory. He doesn't care what the courts someday make of his signing statements, just as he didn't care what the courts made of his enemy-combatant claims. He views the courts as irrelevant in his pursuit of this war. These signing statements are dangerous because they repeat and normalize—always using seemingly boilerplate language—claims about the boundless powers of a "unitary executive." By questioning the principle of court review in the McCain statement, Bush again erodes the notion of judicial supremacy—an idea we have lived with since Marbury v. Madison. When he asserts that he—and not the courts—is the final arbiter of his constitutional powers, he is calling for a radical shift in the system of checks and balances.

It's so tempting to laugh off Bush's signing statements as puffed-up, groundless claims that he is all-powerful, all-knowing, and also devastatingly handsome. But this is the president talking and instructing his subordinates—and also outlining a broad legal regime that may not technically be constitutional, but that hardly makes it laughable. These declarations promote a view of the law that may have no merit in the courts but may never have the chance to be resolved there in the first place.


And for mind-blowing irony, there are the final two paragraphs of this article at commondreams.org (emphasis added by yours truly):

In 2003, lawmakers tried to get a handle on Bush's use of signing statements by passing a Justice Department spending bill that required the department to inform Congress whenever the administration decided to ignore a legislative provision on constitutional grounds.

Bush signed the bill, but issued a statement asserting his right to ignore the notification requirement.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 09:45 AM
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8. No, it isn't.
It's a good example of why we need to get religious zealots out of office.
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:41 AM
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10. Not to worry, this bill can get past the veto
If the yays stay at 81 or get higher.
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