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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 07:55 AM
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== Just How Gay Is The GOP? = By Mark Morford
Sen. Larry 'Wide Stance' Craig, just another in a long daisy chain of happy homoevidence

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2007/09/07/notes090707.DTL&nl=fix

Here is the sticky, irresistible question, hovering like some sort of perky rainbow-colored cloud over anyone who reads the news or pays attention to the scandals or the nifty bathroom hand signals or the various semen stains covering the pages of the Official GOP Handbook like some sort of wretched, skanky Kandinsky painting:

Really, just how many closeted, self-hating, violently repressed "I-am-not-gay" totally gay hypocrites are there in the Republican Party? Or for that matter, in your average born-again Christian megachurch? Or in the U.S. military? Or in (your morally righteous group's name here)? Ten percent of them? Fifty? A hundred and four?

Because baby, it just keeps popping up, scandal after scandal, homophobic lawmaker after anti-gay preacher after gay marriage attacker after hooker-loving "family values" adulterer, Bob Allen to Ted Haggard to Jim West to Glenn Murphy Jr. to David "Diaperman" Vitter, so many examples of a militant loudmouthed Christian Republican suddenly caught with his pants down around his boyfriend's ankles that, after so many headlines, the notion that these cases might be rare or exceptional simply vanishes and you are left only with the undeniable fact that, oh my God, the American right is simply teeming with so much murky, pressure-cooked homoeroticism it might as well be a Young Republicans kegger at Mark Foley's pink Miami Beach condo.

Not exactly a revelation, I admit. As you already know and as any D.C. therapist or male prostitute or honest historian will happily remind you, this is the way it's always been; incidents like Idaho Sen. Larry Craig's toe-tapping in the tearoom merely reinforce the great Rule of Conservative Hypocrisy -- the louder and more self-righteous the indignation over a given "moral" issue, the more sure you can be that the screamer in question is simply oozing with repressed fantasy/lust regarding that very issue -- and what's more, is very likely acting on it, right now, in a fetish dungeon, brothel or bathroom stall near you. ...
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:07 AM
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1. Morford ALWAYS deserves a kick
:kick:
:D
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:13 AM
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2. there seems to be no subject he won't write about and offer his opinion on.
I catch myself reading his writing for the read and not for the subject so many times. gotta love the guy
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:21 AM
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3. He reminds me of Dennis Miller before he turned into a prick.
;-)
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:37 AM
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6. When was that exactly?
I just assumed he was always a prick.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:40 AM
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8. Heh...quite a few years ago, actually.
;-)
(I actually was more referring to writing style than to substance)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:21 AM
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4. When Mark first started his column, he got in trouble with the thought
police at the Chronicle. They actually suspended him, iirc, for a few days.

There was such an outcry, they reinstated him and likely gave him a raise. :)
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:34 AM
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5. To extend it even further
I don't know if all these men are specifically gay or not (i.e. if given the chance, guilt free, would they live openly gay?)

I think it does speak to a group of people who are very conflicted and confused and ashamed of sexual feelings, of any stripe that aren't strictly vanilla, missionary M/F. I think there are just as many women on the GOP side who are also rather lost and confused about sex, it's just that we women don't generally act in public ways. We tend to abuse ourselves substance abuse, anorexia/bulemia, cutting, and so on.
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:37 AM
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7. Look on the bright side. At least the Republican gays can be cured.
For the flame-bait impaired: :sarcasm:
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:42 AM
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9. I wonder if that is a 12 step program they use
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:34 AM
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17. No, it's entirely faith based
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:48 AM
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10. This is scathing!! I love it! nt
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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 09:44 AM
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11. K&R n/t
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 09:45 AM
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12. I got dibs on the theory that literally the ENTIRE GOP is gay.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:00 AM
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21. I got dibs that the top leadership is a secret club of
homo-erotic maniacs :rofl: People are taking this too seriously? So what if Bush, Cheney, et.al. are outed! :rofl:

It's not like Pelosi will be a bad President.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 09:53 AM
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13. I take a lot of heat for this stance, but I have a great deal of compassion for these men.
Most of them were most likely raised in homes where homophobia and bigotry ran rampant. Their families, communities, and churches made it perfectly clear from the moment they could understand spoken English that homosexuality was a sin and a heinous one at that. Homosexuals were likely portrayed as essentially non-human. All of this prior to these men even being old enough to become aware of their own sexuality.

Imagine being surrounded by this only to discover as an adolescent or young man that you are one of those hated so deeply by the people you love and respect.

What to do? Repress! But repression isn't just a passive act. One aspect of repression is attack. But repression is placing yourself in a pressure cooker. You cannot ultimately deny who you are.

I am a firm believer in the primacy of balance. Call me a dualist unitarian? Anytime a pendulum swings too far in one direction, forces beyond its control will send it back to the other side until it reaches a position of balance. Okay, horrible analogy/metaphor but hopefully I'm making sense.

Do not get me wrong. I do not excuse the pain, humiliation and immorality that comes with the oppression wrought by these self-loathing hypocrits. Nothing can erase that. But I do have compassion for the little boys they once were. Little boys and young men who had the deck stacked against them when they should have been nurtured in discovering their true selves.
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Traps Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:13 AM
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14. Homophobia an irrational hatred
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:32 AM
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16. welcome to DU Traps!!
great blog and you may find our handy DU glossary both entertaining and informative

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_oet&address=358x190

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Traps Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 05:09 PM
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27. Thanks AZDem
It really is a fabulous site.

Just hope I can add something ...no matter how small.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:30 AM
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15. Morford is one of my favourite editorialists...
His turn of phrase can be almost poetic.

Thanks so much for posting. I often forget to go looking for his stuff.

:applause:

Sid
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:39 AM
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18. The really sad part is that GLBT communities believe in Familly Values
Real Family Values. They want (and deserve) the right to marry, the right to adopt, the right to to inherit property, the right to be included on insurance plans, the right to help make medical decisions for their loved ones, etc. All they want (and I want for them) is the rights allegedly accorded to all of us which includes not being persecuted for their sexuality.

Besides, just think how much happier they (closeted gay GOP'ers) would be if they were honest with themselves. My god, it would free up a lot of their time and lessen their stress loads.

I will never understand why a person's sexuality is important or why it is a political issue. Why do they put so much energy into persecuting the GLBT communities when they could be spending their time and money working on real issues? It just boogles my mind sometimes. I guess it boils down to being afraid of themselves.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:52 AM
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20. those fine folks deserve to have families too
How can you support family values while denying people the right to have families?
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:51 AM
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22. Exactly
It just doesn't make sense to me. As the old saying goes, "actions speak louder than words". If two people are in love and want to commit to each other, take care of each other and raise a family, I say "go for it." I'd rather have a child raised in a loving home where they are encouraged to enjoy life than a home where a child is raised thinking that everyone else's lifestyle and values are denounced. I really don't think it is asking too much.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 11:58 AM
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23. I believe a lot of the hatred shown to them is because of the bible
I haven't met a religious person who advocates that they are anything but wrong and needs to be straightened out. I shit you not.

I have to remind my religious neighbor that gays are born not made quite frequently who honestly thinks they can be 'fixed' his words not mine
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:44 PM
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24. My sister-in-law is one of those
Ms. Family Values is on her sixth or seventh marriage. My brother found that out a few years ago and wasn't too happy. He thought he was #2.

Anyway, my family values, RW (she still supports Bush), fundamentalist sister-in-law thinks gays can be cured if they accept Jesus in their hearts. I used to try to talk to her and tell her that gay is not a disease and that she should love people as they are because that's how god created them. I mean, she's told me herself that god doesn't make mistakes! So, how could a person who is gay or bi or a lesbian or transgendered be a mistake, if that's the way god created them. Besides, I know gay people who are Christians and have accepted Jesus. That's when she told me that they weren't created by god but by satan and that if someone is gay and says they are a Christian that they are deluding themselves. Talk about the proverbial pot and kettle. That's when I gave up on her.

I am just grateful that her kids aren't completely screwed up. They roll their eyes at her fundamentalist beliefs and they attend a different church with my brother (who is talking divorce as soon as Ms. Family Values finishes her cosmetology course). We've talked about gays because their mom has banned a couple of kids from her house that she suspects are gay. They said, they don't like to, but that they'll sneak behind their mom's back to hang out with them. Their dad knows. They just see other kids. Kids that have the same interests they do and that they like hanging out with. All she sees are monsters. I really do feel sorry for her sometimes.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:59 PM
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25. When my neighbor talks about the gays he gets visibly shaken
and about blows a gasket when I remind him of his wrong way of thinking. I have a real close family member who was gay the day he was born and we all knew that he was different as kids and we let it interfere with our relationship with him none whatsoever. and today fifty some odd years later we are still the best of buds, all of us, him too. I was raised in a Baptist home, heck my dad started the church that still exist and shares his name, but ones sexuality was never an issue, nothing to be concerned with. I say I am one lucky dude in that alone, to not have preconceived notions about someone else
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 03:09 PM
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26. That's so sad
but I know the type. I grew up in a biracial household so sexuality was the least of our problems. People could tell we weren't completely white and so I know how it feels to be ostracized for something I have no control over. It also helped me recognize who my genuine friends were and are. My dad is an artist and so are a few of my brothers. We were exposed to openly gay men and women while I was growing up. It never bothered us and the only thing my parents ever said was some people are born homosexual and we should choose our friends based on how they treat us not on something they had no say in.

btw, I just noticed your name. I grew up in OKC (Northwest Classen HS) and my fundie sister-in-law lives in Bethany, OK. I can relate to what you are going through.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 10:51 AM
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19. Not gay, but rather sexually repressed deviants and perverts,
Dems tend to have consensual sex between adults in private.

Repubs are so desperate they go for airport restrooms, public parks, underage pages, meth-heads, children, etc. Repubs are repressed. Repubs do illegal acts that hurt people. Homosexuality isn't the problem. The repression and self-hatred are the problems. Illegal sexual deviancy is rampant throughout the Republican party...just like hypocrisy and hate. It's an unhealthy culture that they foster. Hopefully it will be resolved before more innocent people get hurt by these bastards.

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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 09:46 AM
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28. Kicked.
:kick:
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 09:55 AM
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29. Washington DC hasn't seen this many beards since the Lincoln administration
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 10:17 AM
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31. Nice
:rofl:
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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 10:10 AM
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30. The RNC has a long history of recruiting and advancing only the mot ruthless and loyal
Those that fit the bill also fit the profile of lifelong sexually conflicted personalities. Seek ruthless obedient lieutenants and the scum rises to the top. Its inevitable, as pedophiles are to jobs involving kids or tornadoes are to mobile homes!
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