Josef Goebbels, Hitler’s Minister of Propaganda

Just a reminder.


Goebbels

The key figure was Josef Goebbels, Hitler’s Minister of Propaganda before the war and top authority for domestic matters during the war. Goebbels has been accurately called Hitler’s PR man. His wartime diaries have been published in paperback, and they make fascinating reading. Even before the war, Goebbels articulated the principles by which the Nazi party would control the government and obtain the consent of the people to their program. Roughly, these principles are as follows: There is no truth, only what people believe to be true. Control people’s perceptions of the world and you can control their beliefs. A big lie is as believable as a small one, just declare something long enough in an environment where alternative views are not heard and it becomes true by belief; evidence of truth or falsity is irrelevant. Tell people what they want to hear; give them: simple solutions to complex problems, enemies on whom they can blame their discontents, promises to satisfy their narrow aspirations, spectacles and ceremonies to stir the emotions and suppress critical thinking, manufactured news and contrived reports that support the party line. Goebbels was completely successful.

Through Hitler, Goebbels promised the industrialists that he would save their enterprises from communism and labor unrest, the military that he would rebuild their forces, the people that he would give them employment, Volkswagens, and autobahns. Meanwhile, he distracted them with impressive party rallies each year in Nuremburg, parades and flags, and for the more aggressive youth an organized way of doing violence by picking on Jews. The Jews, an expendable one percent of the population, were also convenient and traditional in European history as a peg on which to hang the blame for anything that went wrong. Everything was done quite legally and according to form. Where a vote was needed, brand the opposition as disloyal to the state or to the leader. Do not debate the merits of proposals, that’s too political. Just vote with the government. So long as only official voices were heard and argument was conducted on the level of loyalty rather than on specific substance, it was no trick to get 98% majorities.

Everything was clean and orderly, especially when compared to the political diversity of the Weimar Republic. People could pride themselves on how well the country was run, how well-organized things were. It was only natural that it should be Germany’s mission to organize the rest of Europe. Of course, we don’t want war, but we are surrounded by nations of inferior culture and social order, and we must defend ourselves from pressures by them. A few Germans may have actively wanted war. For some, it may have been an act of national vengeance for the perceived disgrace of the loss of World War I; for others, it may have been an opportunity for personal adventure or professional advancement. For most, it was a duty to the state and government. The Wehrmacht, the military establishment, had been cowed into submission to the political side of government, purged of disloyal elements, and made to take personal oaths of loyalty to the Leader, Hitler. Everyone was excused from responsibility for the larger consequences of his acts. Each was doing his own job conscientiously; each could cite superior orders, operational necessity, or not my department.

Loyalty was the word of the day. It was not accident that the motto of the elite SS-Corps was, “My Honor Is Loyalty.” In the name of that slogan, men could perform heinous acts against non-combatant populations and still think of themselves as decent human beings, as good fellows. Perhaps it was harder for some than for others, but it was clearly possible for most to regard the enemy as a non-human mass and therefore deserving of whatever fate the state ordered for them. There were, of course, as there always is in any population, a number of vicious types, but more typically the worst horrors were committed by decent, loyal, personally honorable people only doing their respective jobs. Their flaws were human, like an inability to see the other as fundamentally no different from the self, or a propensity to see us as good and them as bad or undeserving.<snip>


Until we, as individuals, can distinguish the von Stauffenburg’s from the Goebbels’, until we can contrive a government that permanently recognizes that it exists for the sakes of each of its individual citizens and that places their legitimate aspirations well above its own institutional goals, I see little hope for an end to our social problems.

on edit: forgot to post the link:spank:

http://www.dcn.davis.ca.us/~sander/mensa/respon.html

Ja, Herr Doktor.



Control people’s perceptions of the world and you can control their beliefs.

Thanks for the important reminder, in_cog_ni_to.

K & R !!!

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There is a story of we meeting between Goebbels and Hitler, where they discussed Stalin's propaganda, and joked about it. The joke was NOT opposition to the message (i.e. Capitalism was bad but communism was good) but HOW it was done. Stalin's propaganda were statements of how while people were doing in Russia, how great communism was etc. This is good, if your intention is to support people who already support you, but it is ineffective with people who have not yet embraced the message. Goebbels wanted to get people to embrace the message of Nazism so he rejected Stalin type propaganda in favor of implied messages that backed Nazi Ideas.

An example of this is an movie made right after the Nazi won power, it showed a young adolescent age boy dieing for Hitler. Goebbels HATRED that movie, for it did NOT get people to embrace Nazi ideas. Goebbels preferred Hollywood type movies showing Nazis or people who represented Nazi type ideas being shown in a good light, and people who opposed the Nazis in a Bad light (This also included Jews). One commentators said that Goebbels was able to see Casablanca and called it the best propaganda movie in history. Casablanca was the type of propaganda movie Goebbels wanted (He opposed Casablanca for the ideas presented in it is anti-Nazi, but HOW those idea is what he wanted his movie to do pro-Nazi Propaganda). Lets look at Casablanca "message", and you see the Rules of Propaganda as used by Goebbels:

1. Never leave the propaganda get in way of the plot, The plot is what get people to see the movie, unless it is seen the propaganda message is lost. Thus in Casablanca you have the classic boy meets girl, they are separated, then they get back together (Yes, the Women goes off with her Husband, but it is clearly implied the hero will get her in the end). This is an important part of propaganda, people must see the message for it to do any good. Whatever is the Media being used, the show must be entertaining.

2. The message must be clear and repeated often. In Casablanca, sacrifice and Resistance to the Nazi keeps coming back up, be it the Resistance Meeting,. the Husband showing up in Casablanca (And comments on what he had done previously), and even at the end of the Movie where Rick sees his girlfriend fly off with her husband, that was his sacrifice to Resistance the Nazis. There are other examples, the singing Scene where people sang the French National Anthem, the shooting of the Nazi, and the decision of the French Captain to skip out and join the Resistance with Rick. Each require some sacrifice to resist the Nazis, but it was worth it.

If you look a the above, it is also the rules for advertising in the US, Advertisers NEVER want to turn people off from looking at the ad, they advertise on popular programs (Thus fulfilling #1 above) AND the message is short and repeated often (Yes, Advertising is propaganda). Goebbels understood the above two rules and did his best to make sure all that people saw meet the above two rules. The GOP also know these two rules and uses them ruthlessly, the GOP tries make things look as supporting they side (and most time entertaining as in most "Action" movies where the Americans rarely lose). The GOP also attacks anything that is the same type of propaganda on a point they oppose (The Attack of Sicko etc), often as "Propaganda" but state they projects just state the facts. Goebbels would take survey as people left movie theaters on they views to gage HOW the movie changed peoples opinions, and adjust subsequent movies accordingly (as do the GOP and the Right does today). The GOP follows the same rules Goebbels did, while apparently NOT changing the types of Movies people went to see, Goebbels changed German movies just enough to make Germans more supportive of the Nazis. The GOP does the same, making TV programs Songs, and Movies, more supportive of Right Wing Position. This is what makes the Right Wing so dangerous, they are willing to spend the money to get they message to the people through indirect means so that people do NOT realize they are being manipulated while they are being manipulated. This is how Goebbels did it and it works and we have to be careful when it is used against us as while as other Americans.

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This is the voice of experience speaking. I am not getting on your case. I am not mad at you and wish I could take you out for a coffee and a heart to heart. Once again. I am not mad at you or trying to take you down.

Your pedophilia post in a thread about gay Republicans uses a few of the basic techniques of propaganda. You didn't state anything that was demonstrably false. However, you used a story about a rumor you heard about blond-haired, blue-eyed children being stolen for delivery to DC sexual predators plus the context of the thread to operate on a common prejudice linking pedophilic behavior to homosexuality. Without ever actually saying it, without producing any quotes that can be taken out of context, you gave the reader all the pieces necessary to assemble the thought "the gay Republicans are stealing our aryan children". As you know from your reading, the strongest way to put an idea into someone's head is not to give them the idea whole, but to give them the right pieces to use to draw your desired conclusions all on their own.

I don't believe you do realize that you do this. You're a liberal posting on a liberal message board, why would you want to communicate such an idea? It wouldn't make sense. I really don't think you did it on purpose. I do think that if you have an interest in propaganda, if you're reading about Nazi propagandists, and if you are interested in practicing the art of influence yourself, you should be careful about keeping the "dark side" separate from your day to day communications.

This stuff is like a bad smell. It'll get into everything you own, and after a long enough time to constant exposure, you get so used to it that can't detect it. Some of your posts smell funny, in_cog_ni_to, so I'm letting you know.

(I'd also like to mention a small pet peeve. The man's first name was Joseph, not Josef. His family spelled it Joseph. He spelled it Joseph. I don't know why so historical writers spell it with an "f". It's a valid German spelling of the name, but it isn't the spelling he or his family used. It is a meaningless nit to pick, anyway, but it really gets under my skin.)

I guess you're chewing me out for THIS POST? Which I posted from the site that was linked in the thread's OP and DIDN'T actually write? It was written by someone who had responded to the article at THIS site:http://www.pensitoreview.com/2007/09/04/four-more-gop-outings-could-be-in-the-offing

Read the responses to that article at the link and you will see the post. I didn't write it and the TITLE of my post asked:"Did you read this last response post about white slave market in D.C. MISSING CHILDREN?" Making it clear it was a POST FROM THE OTHER SITE, so you just need to head over there and lecture whoever wrote, OKAY? And furthermore, I was NOT connecting pedophilia to GAYS. I was connecting pedophilia to REPUBLICANS and the "Family Values" crowd..... See below for the reason why.

NOW, please give me a link to a post where I said Gays are pedophiles. I'll be waiting for it. Thanks.


My post from the pensitoreview,com site:

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30. Did you read this last response post about white slave market in D.C. MISSING CHILDREN? Gannon????

In an airport in Fla. back in the late 70’s, my flight was delayed. I struck up a conversation with the guy sitting next to me for a while and we talked about generalities which led to what he did for a living. He claimed to be an investigative journalist and sounded like one. I asked him about something my father had talked about which was that many children who are missing in the US have been put on the white slave market in and around D.C. This guy said it is very true and that when a child is missing, local police departments check air flights bound for D.C. right away. When I asked him why D.C., he said they are offered up to our congressmen and it is a lucrative business in D.C… many takers.

I heard this same story again in the late 80’s from a neighbor from Minnesota. He said pretty much the same thing and noted Minnesota has many blue eyed blonde little boys because of their northern european heritage. And when one is missing the law heads for the airport. He said these little boys are the cream of the crop for the perverts. Pathetic!


I cannot WAIT until those 4 hypocrites are exposed!


As I said, I didn't write that. Nice lecture though, UncleSepp....sorry you think my posts smell funny. Oh well, such is life on DU.

I also didn't spell Joseph...Josef, the person who wrote the article did. Not to nit pick or anything.:eyes:

For further info on the repuke pedophilia ring:


1. Republican pedophiles
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Evil members of the Republican Party and supporters thereof who have abused children despite their high-and-mighty crusades for the return to moral values. The following is a partial list; due to the neocon obsession with NAMBLA, names with asterisks next to them are suitable for membership in that organization through their repulsive actions.

And feel free to research these people independently.

Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

*Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

*Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger allegedly had sex with a 16 year old girl when he was 28.

*Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

*Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

*Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

*Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.

*Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

*Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

*Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Republican+pedophiles


CHILD PROSTITUTION RING INVOLVING GEORGE BUSH SR.
ARCHIVE OF PUBLISHED ARTICLES OF YET ANOTHER OF MASSIVELY SUPPRESSED STORY INVOLVING THE FAMILY WHO IS ABOVE ALL LAWS - THE BUSHES

In the high stakes world of global politics, it is common practice to procure sexual favors in the hopes to gain leverage or to gain power through blackmail. It's done all the time. The Soviets did it. The Americans do it, and many other countries as well. This following is the bizarre and very real child sexual prostitution ring involving the Republican elite of Washington. And the trail leads right up to George H. W. Bush. Read the chilling story.

SEX AND THE CAPITAL

KARLYN BARKER, WASHINGTON POST, JULY 24, 1990: The alleged leader of what authorities have called the largest male prostitution operation in the Washington area surrendered to federal agents yesterday and pleaded not guilty to racketeering charges that have been filed against him and three alleged accomplices. Henry W. Vinson, 29, of Williamson, W.Va., a coal miner's son accused of setting up the homosexual escort service, was arraigned in U.S. District Court here yesterday afternoon after turning himself in to Secret Service agents . . . At a news conference after the arraignment, Stephens said the investigation into the alleged prostitution ring "is concluded" and that the indictment, which was unsealed yesterday, focused on those who allegedly set up the ring rather than on clients who reportedly patronized it. Asked about earlier reports that some of those clients included high-level officials in the Reagan and Bush administrations, Stephens said the investigation had not revealed "additional conduct which suggests criminal conduct on behalf of other people." . . . The Vinson case provoked additional notice after The Washington Times published reports last summer suggesting that the alleged prostitution ring had been patronized by government officials. The Times named as clients several low-level government employees and Craig J. Spence, a Washington lobbyist and party-giver who, the paper said, took friends and prostitutes on late-night tours of the White House. Spence was found dead in a Boston hotel room last fall, and authorities ruled his death a suicide . . . To date, however, investigators have disclosed no evidence linking any high-level government official to the escort service.<snip>

http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_child_sex_coverup/article_archive.htm

NEW EDITION OF "THE FRANKLIN COVER-UP" RELEASED
Child Abuse, Satanism, and Murder in Nebraska



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"Explosive New Edition of Book About Satanism in Nebraska" (New Federalist, Jan. 27, 1997)
Review by Allen Douglas

In November 1988, the FBI swooped down on a small, federally guaranteed credit union in Omaha, Neb. Some $40 million was missing from the till, but that was the least of the scandal: It soon emerged that Franklin, and its manager Larry King, were centerpieces in a nationwide drug-running and pedophile ring which reached into high political circles in Washington. There, King maintained a mansion, was a leading figure in African-American affairs for the Republican Party, and according to witnesses, provided children to be sexually abused by the rich and powerful. He was also a key figure in the money-laundering and financial support apparatus for the Contras.

Shortly after the credit union was seized, the Nebraska State Legislature set up its "Franklin Committee" to investigate the matter. Soon, child victim-witnesses named some of the most prominent figures in Omaha as being involved in the sex-and-drug orgies, including World Herald newspaper publisher Harold Andersen and police chief Robert Wadman. The children also testified to almost unbelievable tales of Satanic ritual human sacrifice.

Former State Senator John DeCamp, one of the country's most highly decorated Vietnam veterans, was the personal lawyer of the Franklin Committee's chairman, Sen. Loran Schmit, and himself a protagonist in the case: When law enforcement authorities showed no signs of moving on the case, he wrote the famous "DeCamp memo" in 1990, which named five prominent Nebraskans, including Andersen and Wadman, as being involved, and which caused the case to explode into headlines in Nebraska's press, and beyond. DeCamp also became the lawyer for several of the children victim-witnesses.

In 1992, DeCamp wrote a book about the case, "The Franklin Cover-Up: Child Abuse, Satanism, and Murder in Nebraska." Based upon the documentary evidence accumulated by the State Senate's Franklin Committee, and his own first-hand involvement, he created in his book what was probably the most detailed account ever published of the dozens of ritual abuse and pedophilia rings which have surfaced all over the U.S., and internationally, over the last two decades. The book also provided voluminous evidence to show that the U.S. Department of Justice and the FBI were covering up the case.

Without a single dollar of advertising, DeCamp's book sold 50,000 copies -- an almost unheard-of figure for a self-published book. <snip>

http://www.theconspiracy.us/vol10/cn10-13.html

I didn't make the connection. I didn't think it made much sense for a DU poster to have written such a thing. I was puzzled by what I thought you had written, and thought that you might have fallen into the same kind of thing I once fell into - staring too long into the abyss.

I made a mistake, and I apologize for the distress that I caused you.

"Some of your posts smell funny, in_cog_ni_to, so I'm letting you know."

What other posts are you talking about? Can you post some links please?

The combination of the two, when I thought the other one was yours and not a repost, was all.

The side comment I made about the spelling of his name, also, wasn't intended as a nitpick of your writing. That's why I wrote that some historians make the mistake. Anyone reading the work of historians of the period and of the person would get two spellings, so anyone using the body of work that's out there would be justified in using either. I didn't intend to be a um, spelling Nazi, on you specifically.

Long time, no see! Hope all is well! PM me!

(BTW...in_cog_ni_to is an ally, and you will know what I mean. :))

I'm hoping to repair the damage...

Nice to see you!

The far-right aren't the only ones really, really good at propaganda. The far-left has done a bang-up job, as well.

:hi:

I hope your son has a MUCH better school year this year! Do let him know, he is not alone. We may not be there in person, but we Jews are there in spirit!

So far, so good as a Freshman. I will tell him what you said. He'll LOVE it. It's always nice to know you're not alone.:hug:

There's ONE Jewish teacher at his High School (yay!), so he feels he'll be able to go to her if he needs to..... She'll be able to relate.:)

I haven't seen you in AGES! Are you spending all your time in the dungeon?:scared: