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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:38 PM
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One Question:
Do you think President Bush's news conference added to, or subtracted from, any benefit that the administration gained from General Petraeus's presentations to Congress earlier this week?
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:41 PM
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1. " Administration gain " What gain do they need or want?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:43 PM
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8. In public perception
of the surge, which would translate to less of a demand for a beginning to the end of the occupation.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:23 AM
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71. In public perception? Well, it was probably, and tragically, a gain
just like it always is. They sat in their La-Z-boys, thinking, well this all sounds great. They cannot remember what they last heard about Iraq so this must be an improvement. Now, back to Britney Spears and reality programming.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:42 PM
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2. Petreus got his ass kicked by his own Rethuglicans yesterday
you could have put up a speech from 6 months ago by * and it was basically the same.....and he said we want to protect our interest in the region....WHAT ARE OUR INTRESTS IN IRAQ?

No he hurt himself...and the country...again..

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:45 PM
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11. I agree.
Did he seem pressured to you?
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:47 PM
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14. Pressured by the WH? Absolutely...
Considering he wrote the book on Counter-Insurgency and he has gone against everything that he wrote and believed at one time.

Yea, he is worried about his career.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:42 PM
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3. I don't think he added any new material to the discussion.
That doesn't answer your question. But it might. By not adding anything new, he's not supporting an already faltering argument.

And remember, Petraeus "didn't know" if what we were doing was making us any safer. That speaks volumes.
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:43 PM
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7. HUGE volumes.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:46 PM
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13. How do you think
the speech played to the moderate democrats from the middle class?
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:51 PM
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18. If you listen to the comments on MSNBC right now
you will hear a very different tone than that which we heard before Bush's reelection. I think this is an indication of how the majority of Americans see this. The sentiment appears to be changing.

I really can't speak for or to the moderate Dems. I am not that informed.

The emperor is really losing his clothing, I think. He's losing that middle base. But time will prove that true or false.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:14 PM
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27. And remember, there's good evidence that he LOST that election.
This next cycle will be a real test of how skilled the Republicans are at stealing an election for a national nonentity. And here I thought Bush set that bar.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:18 PM
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31. I have been
thinking that the democrats will take the White House, but not make significant gains in congress. In fact, I think the republicans will make tough fights on all levels, and I incude all types of cheating as being among their tactics.

But I think that Bush may be doing more long-term harm to the republican party, in terms of 2008.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:29 PM
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40. Unless we let them steal it again. I agree the Democrats will take
Edited on Thu Sep-13-07 09:29 PM by sfexpat2000
the White House. And, the Republicans are defending nearly twice the number of seats that we are, so imho, we could consolidate a majority in both houses.

But after the last three plus years of learning about election theft, that's a big "if". On the upside, we've built an election protection infrastracture we didn't have in 2000, in 02 or in 04.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:42 PM
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4. every time he opens his mouth...
it's a good thing....insult to injury.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:49 PM
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16. Right.
I can't help but think that his rather curious presentation -- and I admit that I did not watch all of it, because watching President Bush makes me feel ill --will not have the effect he desires. With the short news cycles, I think that the image of his face replaces the images from the past 72 hours.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:42 PM
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5. Great question because there are lots of opinions. I think
he made a fool of himself, but I would. I hope a lot of people have wised up about him and his war.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:51 PM
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17. Didn't he also
confirm for middle America many of the things that liberals and progressives have been saying for years?
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:42 PM
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6. He made a bad situation worse n/t
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:52 PM
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19. No "Jude," he. n/t
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:43 PM
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9. To be honest
I'm not sure they gained from Petraeus. The timing of this speech, almost immediately following Petraeus, however, doesn't look good; so I'd say subtracted.

If, however, it was supposed to make him look like he's suddenly started taking people's advice, then maybe a boost for him among the addlebrained 28%.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:02 PM
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21. With a substantial
amount of the population, a man in uniform on their television plays well. Especially when he speaks relatively well. It is the image, rather than the words, that conveys a positive message.

Bush, on the other hand, has not really tried the uniform in a big presentation since he pranced across the air craft carrier on the "mission accomplished" show. Thus, his facial expression and his words plays a more significant role.

I've noted that I didn't watch the entire thing. But from I did see, he did not seem to be doing well.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:47 PM
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50. I see your point about a man in a uniform
and I admit at moments I found myself hypnotized by all the campaign ribbons, brass, and overall festoonery on Petraeus and the two men behind him, but when he said he didn't know if any of it was making us safer or not, I woke up. I only hope others outside of DU heard that as well.

Hopefully, the rest of the public noticed that Petraeus was beaten about the neck and head by Republicans as well as Democrats, which showed the fall of Bush's stock among moderate Republicans; which is the audience for whom this speech was actually meant.

Tonight's 17 minute babblefest would have worked with the masses only if he'd announced an actual plan or a full troop withdrawl. Instead he said, "I'm sticking there until I'm out, and it's Petraeus' idea, so just deal with it suckers." Wrong play.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:43 PM
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You almost got me with that one. Excellent post, and I'm glad I read it twice before
responding like an idiot who didn't get your point, which I didn't at first, as I said.

Redstone
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:03 PM
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22. I've noticed that
I have agreed with about 5 times as many things you have posted in 2007, than in the previous year. Clearly, we both need to read more carefully! (grin) Peace to you, Redstone; I hope all is well with you and yours.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:31 PM
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42. We're on the same side, after all. And, as I said, I've FINALLY learned to read posts closely
instead of reacting to subject lines or a cursory reading. Especially because there are so many intelligent people here at DU, and therefore they post messages that you really need to pay attention to.

Dang, that that mean I'm becoming mature? Never thought THAT would happen.

And things are going pretty well around here lately; I'm up to five good days in a row actually, thank you for asking.

Redstone
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:43 PM
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10. I haven't seen it. But if you say he "spoke", can only come to one conclusion.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:06 PM
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23. I've watched
the reaction on MSNBC and CNN. It does not seem to have played well.

Gloria Borger on CNN is saying that republicans in Congress were willing to support the general, but wish Bush had not given the speech. She said that includes the republican candidates for the presidency.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:46 PM
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12. Dupe-weird. nt
Edited on Thu Sep-13-07 08:48 PM by babylonsister
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:48 PM
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15. 36 nations?
THIRTY-SIX NATIONS??

H2O Man, I don't see how that will be any help. Are there ANY facts to back that claim up? Even if they come up with a couple dozen, bush's statement will just send a lot of people looking things up. That will likely lead to some discussion on just how few people any other nation involved actually have committed. It cannot help his position.

The administration is toast where I live and there are less than 10 registered DEMS in this county. They only thing keeping them in power now is belligerence and blackmail. If people in my county aren't buying it, it ain't sellin'.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:08 PM
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24. 36 Nations.
I do not think anyone will support him on that. I do not think it is any more reality based than his saying his plan can bring Americans together.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:52 PM
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20. Well everytime Bush speaks his numbers go down
his support goes down, and only those left in the bunker are still with him..I can't watch it. He never bolsters his own case because his facts are false and now he no longer has a case.

But..there's always 9/11 part deux scheduled for tommorow to look forward to!!!!!! He's got that in the bag-so I hear. What's that number after a trifecta anyway?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:12 PM
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26. I have to wonder
what the forces that are back stage have planned. It's hard for me to imagine them thinking that George did well tonight.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:19 PM
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32. Sacrificial goat, maybe? He is a lame duck...
If they can pin as many failures to him as possible now, they might hope, it could help them salvage some small part of the republican party. I don't know anything for sure, and I didn't watch the liar speak, but it seems like a logical conclusion.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:22 PM
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35. I don't see
anyone on MSNBC or CNN who are saying anything positive about his speech.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:11 PM
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25. It hurt him
He should have let Petraeus continue to be the face of the war. When Bush's face came up on the screen I think people realized it was all a con job. The American people don't trust him and just seeing his face and not Petraeus who people tend to trust more undercut what he was trying to accomplish.

Not to mention he looked nervous and like he didn't believe in the mission.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:14 PM
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28. I agree.
It does not seem to be playing well on either MSNBC or CNN.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:16 PM
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29. i think the administration suffered a loss. way overboard with the lies. bad speech
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:20 PM
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33. Do you think
that people will see this for what it is -- simply more lies to explain previous lies? I'm sure that DUers can pick out numerous lies, easily. Will the people from "middle America" recognize that the guy is either dishonest or out of touch with reality?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:23 PM
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37. great question...depends on how the media frames it
Edited on Thu Sep-13-07 09:25 PM by spanone
i fear most will hear, troops coming home, and disneyland opening soon in anbar province.
edit: the headline on www.cnn.com right now reads: bush: some troops coming home
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:17 PM
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30. I suspect he'll get a small temporary bump
consisting of people who heard 5,700 troops home before Christmas, and his happy Anbar talk.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:23 PM
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36. Are they the
people who are predisposed to support him? Do you think that he has changed anyone's mind with this speech?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:17 AM
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70. No, they're the people that sway in the wind
and there are some. They're folks who are susceptible to spin.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:21 PM
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34. I think his newser will help to convince more and more of just how crazy the man really is
what little I could watch he looked like a real dyed in the wool madman in bad need of a strait jacket and a rubber room.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:27 PM
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39. There was a lady
on CNN who said the republican candidates were wishing that Bush would not give the speech. They had hoped that the administration would let General Petraeus's message stay out in front. It is difficult for me to imagine any (* except McCain) of their camps watching the speech tonight, and thinking, "Hey, I want to be associated with this guy!?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:32 PM
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43. that's the truth. these folks have got to get re-elected....i have hope
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:25 PM
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38. Honestly, in the interest of preserving what little mental health I have left...
I could not bring myself to watch.
Normally, I am a firm believer in the adage, "Know thy enemy."
At this point, however, familiarity has bred an overdose of contempt.

From what I have read on this thread though,
I assume that I made the right choice in abstaining.

BHN
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:37 PM
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45. To the best
of my knowledge, this is only the second time I have refused to watch him. The first time was one day, when he had been sticking in face in front of cameras over and over for about a week.

Tonight I went into another room. He is toxic.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:53 PM
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55. Toxic. Exactly... I am trying to focus on the GOOD- in what ever measure
Edited on Thu Sep-13-07 09:58 PM by BeHereNow
I had a wonderful flying dream the other night-
I took my daughter's hand and said, "Let me teach you how to fly..."
We did, holding hands- it was a wonderful dream.
Also, the mustangs (buffalo horses) have shown up in my dreams again.
As the song goes-
"I'd rather be dreaming than living..."
Loudon Wainwright III - Dreaming.mp3

BHN
On edit- Sorry, I don't know how to post a link to the song-
but I know you would appreciate it.
Lyric Link:
http://www.lwiii.com/discography.php?section=lyrics#lyrics3
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 10:10 PM
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62. "All I need is the air that I breath..."
Edited on Thu Sep-13-07 10:24 PM by BeHereNow
Another song that brings me great peace.
Hokey? yeah...I guess so.
Who cares.
It's a great track.
These days, we must take comfort in the simple things
where ever, how ever, they exist for us...
BHN
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:29 PM
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41. first, not many folks I spoke with before the address even knew who Petraeus was
secondly, the 'benefit' reportedly was measured in the polls (3-5% margin of error) as an increase in support from republican men and independents. Even then the increase was only a few points above the margin of error, leaving his approval for his performance in office and his occupation in the low 30's.

lastly, I believe that Bush's rhetoric was familiar enough to have washed right over Americans who were looking for him to turn away from his ambitions in Iraq and focus on their concerns here at home. The details really don't matter, I don't think they ever did to the majority of Americans. The bottom line remains: They want it to end and I don't think they heard that end from Bush tonight.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:41 PM
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47. I've wondered if
it was well thought out to compare Iraq to Vietnam a short time ago, and to then send a General in front of cameras to deliver the word this week?

People want to hear from the president. They can become suspicious, when they think they are being taken for granted, or lied to. And when they become suspicious, they take note of the non-verbal cues .... from the clips I saw, Bush did not look reassuring.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:56 PM
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57. he had his typical frown at the beginning
then he looked like it was a little bit of a struggle to understand what he was reading - his eyebrows went up,

as he was closing, he lit up in a smile that said he couldn't believe he got through the whole thing.


The entire text was full of contradictions, unbelievable from the start when he warned against anyone thinking about overthrowing the government of Iraq :eyes:
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:33 PM
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44. Didn't Watch, Couldn't Bear It
Did do the pre-shows. When it came out that he was going to go for indefinite war I thought surely people will now come to the conclusion that he is barkin' mad, one twinkie short of a package. But I don't know. I keep thinking people will see and each time I think that I am disappointed. Has he jumped the shark tonight, are we approaching endgame?

As for the Cons chances in 2008, I'm thinking their goose has just been shoved into the oven, especially if they obstruct efforts to stop him.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:46 PM
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49. From the clips I saw,
he did not project confidence. I do not think that tonight's display will go over well with anyone to the left of Sean Hannity.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:38 PM
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46. IMHO Bush just undercut any good that Petraeus and Crocker accomplished...
Bush crawled out of the sphere of reasonable logic that Petraeus and Crocker attempted to construct on Bush's behalf.

There is no way anyone is going to endorse a permanent military occupation in Iraq.

It is now clear.... Bush cares only about preserving his legacy as a 'war president.'

He has exposed himself... he wears no clothes...
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:49 PM
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53. Good.
That's what I was hoping for. I think General Petraeus had, in some areas, scored some points. I thought that Crocker was largely a toss-up. I anticipated that Bush would be the kid off the bench who would turn the ball over so many times that his team would demand the coach take him out.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 10:11 PM
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63. Petraeus and Crocker attempted to substitute their own credibility for Bush while he looked on...
... but as soon as Bush opened his mouth, he removed any doubt about his motives and intentions that they had attempted to cover by being ambiguous about the future.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:43 PM
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48. The Decider Detracted from his Cau$e.
The drunken frat-boy coke whore came across as a crazy monkey, aiming his fecal rhetoric at the percentage that can be fooled all the time. The guy can't see, let alone imagine, that most of We the People know he's just reading from the tele-prompTer his NAZI spinnmeister's 911=Iraq talking points. If anything, a chance for the nation to be FORCED into watching the little turd from Crawford only serves to widen and harden the disconnect with "government." Their number grows, as good Americans want to know why Congress hasn't impeached, convicted and removed from office this madman.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:48 PM
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52. But
how do you really feel? :)
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 10:06 PM
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59. I should've posted a link.
I've got proof. And... everything!



Ha ha ha ha (maniacal Demo Donkey laugh)!!!! :hi:

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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 10:27 PM
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68. Then we're really screwn because
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:54 PM
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56. When I look at
his presentation -- not listening to the words, just looking at the facial expressions and body language -- it just reminds me of some weasal trying to get over. I think that more and more of the public is picking up on that same thing. There was a time when the media told the public that one of Bush's strengths was that most people trusted him. Those days are long gone.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 10:13 PM
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64. And you have put your finger on a very important point... people no longer trust Bush n/t
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 10:18 PM
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66. The guy's effect is that of a madman.
Since so many people routinely ignore his countenance as soon as they hear his voice, they have missed the weasel you've described, H20 Man. Stephanie posted a close-up on the guy, and it's clear he's on the verge of laughing. Trying to control that urge comes across as his smirk.



You're observation reminds me of that macabre, scripted press conference on the eve of the illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq.



Bush gets a free pass from the White House press corps.

By Matt Taibbi
New York Press

Cleaning the Pool

The White House Press Corps politely grabs its ankles.


After watching George W. Bush’s press conference last Thursday night, I’m more convinced than ever: The entire White House press corps should be herded into a cargo plane, flown to an altitude of 30,000 feet, and pushed out, kicking and screaming, over the North Atlantic.

Any remaining staff at the Washington bureaus should be rounded up for summary justice. The Russians used to use bakery trucks, big gray panel trucks marked "Bread" on the sides; victims would be rounded up in the middle of the night and taken for one last ride through the darkened streets.

The war would almost be worth it just to see Wolf Blitzer pounding away at the inside of a Pepperidge Farm truck, tearfully confessing and vowing to "take it all back."

The Bush press conference to me was like a mini-Alamo for American journalism, a final announcement that the press no longer performs anything akin to a real function. Particularly revolting was the spectacle of the cream of the national press corps submitting politely to the indignity of obviously pre-approved questions, with Bush not even bothering to conceal that the affair was scripted.

Abandoning the time-honored pretense of spontaneity, Bush chose the order of questioners not by scanning the room and picking out raised hands, but by looking down and reading from a predetermined list. Reporters, nonetheless, raised their hands in between questions–as though hoping to suddenly catch the president’s attention.

In other words, not only were reporters going out of their way to make sure their softballs were pre-approved, but they even went so far as to act on Bush’s behalf, raising their hands and jockeying in their seats in order to better give the appearance of a spontaneous news conference.

CONTINUED...

http://www.nypress.com/16/11/news&columns/cage.cfm



Sickening.

And Bush didn't once mention WMDs tonight.

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:48 PM
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51. I think the hard core 30% will dig in but it peeled off a few more leaners.
Edited on Thu Sep-13-07 09:49 PM by TahitiNut
If anything, he hurt himself ... but only slightly. The GOP talking points will flow like diarrhea. Petraeus gave him a bounce, but he snuffed it.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:57 PM
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58. Good.
That's what I want to hear. The news cycle doesn't allow for General Petraeus to stay front and center, when the president comes out and talks about being there long term.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 10:16 PM
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65. That 30%
had a margin of error of 5.6%. Basically, there was no improvement, as was reported. I'd bet all my bubble gum that his internals show him in the tens.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 10:24 PM
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67. Don't bet on the MOE. You'd lose 19 times out of 20.
:shrug:
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 12:03 AM
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69. You May Be Right
After all, KKK thought he had the numbers
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:53 PM
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54. Catapulting the propaganda is always a gain -n/t
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 10:08 PM
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60. Unfortunately I can't answer because I didn't watch.
Sorry. :hi:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:52 AM
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72. But
you did answer! I think that there are likely a lot of people who have stopped watching him.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 10:10 PM
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61. my local news just portrayed bu$h* as a hero..finallly, due to the success, we can bring toops home'
Edited on Thu Sep-13-07 10:12 PM by spanone
nytimes: Bush Says Success Allows for Troop Cuts

wapo: Bush Tells Nation He Will Begin to Roll Back 'Surge'

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