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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:13 AM
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Poll question: In Utah, the age of consent is 14
I'm really curious. What do you guys think? Is fourteen too young? Personally, I was shocked by this. I do think 14 is too young. 16 makes a lot more sense to me.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:15 AM
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1. 14 is not the age of a child...
It's the age of a teenager. Something that can often be far worse.

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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:17 AM
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2. This might sound stupid, but I'm not clear on what this actually means
Correct me if I'm wrong, but this means that once someone turns 14, or 16, or whatever age the law says, that person can have sex with anyone else over the legal age and it won't be a crime? Or is it still a crime if one party is over 18 and the other is, say between 14 and 18?
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:23 AM
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6. It is NOT stat rape IF....
...both parties are at least the age of consent.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:27 AM
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11. Which translates into, that it is legal for a 60 year old to have sex with a 14 year old.nt
Edited on Sat Sep-15-07 09:31 AM by OmmmSweetOmmm
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 10:02 AM
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74. Basically, yes...
...it is legal if the age of consent is 14.

Sick, huh?
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 11:50 AM
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77. If they are 10 or more years older
it is a crime until age 18.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 01:17 PM
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81. Thanks for the added info.
I did not know that about the Utah law.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:27 AM
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12. Okay, so I'm twenty
and I could legally have sex in Utah with a girl who turned 14 yesterday? That's kinda odd, IMHO.
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 11:53 AM
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78. The line in Tennessee
is 13 but she can only consent to someone up to 4 years older, rather than the 10 years allowed in Utah.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:44 AM
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18. WRONG It means 15 yr old boys will be charged for Molesting
and Rape. Which is just plain wrong

Lawful age of consent doesn't mean legally it is "Open Season" on 14 year old girls. It just means they know what they are doing - beyond the age of innocents
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 10:20 AM
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28. Huh?
Molesting and rape of whom?
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 08:08 PM
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62. That is not true.
Most laws have a difference in age built in. For example if 14 or 15 years old--to be a crime the person must be 48 months older.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:52 PM
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69. NO YOU ARE WRONG
The difference being I work with young men in a youth group

One of the boys was charged for unlawful sex with a minor at age 16. If he was 17 (24 months older) he would have been charged for Sexual Molestation.

I hate dis-informationest
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:56 PM
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70. Then your state has different laws than mine
In WA 16 is the "age of consent" for most sex offenses. And--there must be 48 months difference in age between the two.

I also hate dis information.
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 10:21 AM
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29. No. 18yo is still the legal age of the majority. Age of consent means that is the age
non-adult (not the age of majority) can consent to sex with another person who is also not an adult. In KS, it is 16. If a 16yo and a 15 yo who have consensual sexual contact of any kind, the 16yo can be charged with a sex crime, convicted, and put on a sex offender list for LIFE.
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wildhorses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:20 AM
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3. i dunno but, i think ---
at age thirteen ceremonies are held by the jewish faith recognizing adulthood. i could be wrong.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:26 AM
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10. Yes, but
it only means that the person is responsible for their actions at age 13, in that if they commit a sin it goes on their record instead of their parents' records. It doesn't mean that person is supposed to be allowed to get married or fight in a war or anything like that. Although technically they could, it isn't/wasn't done.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:21 AM
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4. I've known a few who were shockingly mature at 14
and others who were still little kids at 20.

However, on average, a 14 year old simply doesn't have the facts and experience necessary to consent to much of anything. It's certainly not safe for the girls to start having babies at that age.

It's safer at 16, when their bodies have caught up to that teenage sex drive.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:22 AM
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5. I think that the age of consent is about making
serious decisions such as birth control.

With the current state of affairs, we allow public morality to risk the health of teens and their futures so that we can officially deplore what we cannot prevent.

Europe is lightyears ahead of us on this.
I don't really know what the age of consent as a legal
term might be, to be honest. J. Piaget probably defined the issue best.

Perhaps the test should be an individual one. Like a license to drive, only more serious... But the system we have right now is not protecting the interests of the young, on either side of the debate.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:25 AM
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7. Is that really consent, or marriage with...
Edited on Sat Sep-15-07 09:28 AM by TreasonousBastard
parental approvel?

Anyway, 14 does seem a bit young, but I've never been sure just where the age should be set. Or if it should be set at all.

So, anyway, if two teenagers do get married, they can't drink at their own wedding? Sometimes we just son't make any sense at all.

And, if you screw a kid in the wrong state, no matter how consensual it may be, you go to jail and are branded as a deviant sex offender for the rest of your life, even though iot might have been perfect legal 50 miles away across the state line. Does that make sense?








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Sticky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:25 AM
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8. She didn't consent
A 14 year old girl, living in a cloistered environment where sex is bad and men are all powerful is just plain wrong on so many levels.
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:33 AM
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16. Systemic Sacrilege.
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:25 AM
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9. The setting of an "age of consent" and the polygamist practice
of marrying off little girls are NOTHING but mechanisms set in place by perverted men as a means to diddle and touch little girls for their own personal sexual gratification.

Age of Consent is nothing but cover-up terminology for bona fide rape and terrorism of little girls.

End of argument...Period.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 11:09 AM
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43. Hear, hear! The age of consent in Pa. is 14 also,
doesn't matter here if the boy is 19 or 20, if they rape a girl 14 and terrorize her to not file charges, nothing you can do about it.

At least that is what I was told back in 1993 when my daughter was attacked. I couldn't file charges and she was too terrified to. :grr::nuke:

The 'age of consent' is exactly as you stated, "mechanisms set in place by perverted men as a means to diddle and touch little girls for their own personal sexual gratification."
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 11:32 AM
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45. I went out with a woman who was an incest victim from 18 months
to 17 years of age before her father was discovered and imprisoned for 7 years before he died in jail. Her family shunned her, the oldest sister, for supposedly squealing to the school guidance counselor who called the cops and stopped the incest.

After that relationship, I'm particularly sensitive to these stories of justifying sex with little girls via age of consent, sex slavery, etc. All these justifications that try and make it seem okay to have sex with young girls originate with men, so end of argument.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:28 AM
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13. Especially In Utah, It's Too Young
now, maybe I'm stereotyping, but it seems like people in Utah are not (on average) as sophisticated as people in New York (for example). In this case, I mean sophisiticated as having been exposed to different cultures and experiences, etc and it is NOT a reflection on intelligence or a statement that one is inferior to the other.

To some extent, people in Utah are more likely to have what is commonly thought of as traditional values. That is to say, that a kid in Utah is more likely to believe he/she should wait until marriage to have sex than a kid in California. Again, I stereotype.

Utah is also a state with a large Mormon population. Although mainstream Mormons have disavowed the practice of polygamy, you have sects which believe in it. They can take a girl as young as 14. And it's much harder to prosecute them because they can use the defense that the girl was willing. We see this coming in to play in the Warren Jeffs trial, and I wonder if it was a factor in the Elizabeth Smart case, too (although she was 16).

If people in Utah really have these traditional values, the question for them is do they think 14 is old enough to consent to marriage? If not, why is that their age of consent since everyone should be waiting for marriage anyway?

Of course, how much do the people of Utah adhere to traditional values when their divorce rate has been documented as being higher than that of New York and California?
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:32 AM
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14. Your referring to a story about Rape ,and using religion as a cloak..
I was doing what ever I was allowed to sexually when I was fourteen (1971} by consenting fourteen year olds ,who weren't my cousins ,or assigned elders , L.D.S is a cult just like Catholicism ,the only difference is catholics don't have a home state.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:33 AM
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15. The Common Law rule was 12
Age of Consent by State:
http://www.webistry.net/jan/consent.html

Internationally:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent

My opinion is 12 is to young so is 14, to easy to be used. I like the Catholic Canon law rule, 15, seem to be the best balance.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_INDEX.HTM

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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:43 AM
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17. 14 Is Most Definitely Too Young. Minimum Should Be 16.
I don't think there should be any penalties if there are two 14 yr olds experimenting and stuff, since most of us probably did the same, but in the case of a 14 yr old and say an 18 yr old? No way. Too young. Way too young. No way someone at 14 is mentally mature enough to fully understand those decisions. I'm a bit shocked myself that there are states with such a young age of consent.
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TheUniverse Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:51 AM
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20. Would you want an 18 year old to get prison time for having sex with a 14 year old?
Is this really the way it should work? Do you want that 18 year old to have his life ruined by being a "sex offender?"
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 10:03 AM
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21. There Should Be Some Discretion In Severity Of Penalty, But Yes, There Should Be Some Punishment
for him. No 18 yr old should be sleeping with a 14 yr old. Now I don't think there should be any sex offender label, but there should be some consequence. 14 is just too young, and if an 18 yr old is attempting to sleep with one you can be all but certain they're trying to manipulate them into doing so and are attempting to take advantage of the others youthfulness. So yes, they should be protected to some degree.
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TheUniverse Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 10:19 AM
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26. Well right now the penalty is being a registered sex offender and prison time in most states.
I think that's insane. and I disagree with you. I generally dont want the government to get in the grey area 14-18 year old cases. I want them to catch the real pedophiles.
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BadgerLaw2010 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 10:23 AM
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31. That's entirely appropriate. Stick to dating people who at least look like you.
There is no good reason for a high school senior or college freshmen to be hanging out with high school freshmen.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 10:50 AM
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33. Personally, I Don't Want 18 Yr Olds Sleeping With 14 Yr Olds.
The government should absolutely protect such. Maybe the penalties in places are too harsh, but that doesn't make the act itself any less appropriate or wrong.
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BadgerLaw2010 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 10:13 AM
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22. An 18 year-old playing with the emotions of a 14 year-old is a sex predator, sorry.
The maturity and developmental differences are enormous, assuming reasonable people for their ages in both roles.

Criminal laws are not written with execptional people in mind, and tort law isn't decided that way except when it impacts what would be "reasonable care", and that distinction is almost never favorable to the person who did the wrong act, because someone got hurt anyway.
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 02:47 PM
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50. Not even close
18 year olds are not even close to being mature adults.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 11:40 PM
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73. what ?
The 18 year-old is not an animal. He can make choices, including the choice not to have sex with an underaged girl.

"Is that really what you want?" Good God. Do you really want an 18 year-old to be having sex with a 14 year old?

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TheUniverse Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 11:45 AM
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76. What I really want...
Edited on Sun Sep-16-07 11:46 AM by TheUniverse
And what I think people should go to prison for an be labeled a sex criminal are two different things. Sure 14 year olds and 18 year olds having sex may seem "icky." But I dont think it should be a sex a crime. Sex crimes should be the real sexual predoators, AKA the guys you see on "To catch a predator." Its horrible legislation to ruin a 18 year kid's life for having sex with someone 4 years younger than him. Hell I think in some states it would even include 17 year olds having sex with 15 years. Absolutely horrible.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 11:59 AM
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79. Your sympathies are misaligned
Edited on Sun Sep-16-07 12:00 PM by Evergreen Emerald
1. They are not required to register as a sex offender for life. In WA they can petition the court if they keep their record clean after 10 years.

2. Why would an 18 year old have sex with an under aged child? A 14 year old is not capable of making decisions regarding consent. That is why the law is in place. I do not understand your concern for the 18 year old? Where is your concern for the child? The 18 year old knows better, and all he/she has to do is keep their pants on in front of a child. How hard is that? And if they can't keep their pants on in front of a child, society should be made aware that the sexual urges are so out of control that they must be monitored in the community.

"Icky?" The goal is to protect children. Not all sex offenders are predators.
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TheUniverse Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 09:50 AM
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19. 14 year olds have sex.
This is something our society needs to address. I don't want to see an older teen getting prison time for having sex with a 14 year old. But there is a big difference when it is a 40 year old who has sex with a 14 year old. Perhaps are laws need to be modified but we dont need it to be legal for a 40 year old man to have sex with a 14 year old.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 10:15 AM
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23. Why does "society" need to "address" something that has always happened?
An obviously natural phenomenon.

Please explain yourself.
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TheUniverse Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 10:16 AM
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24. Because society acts like it doesnt happen.
Thats why they dont to teach teenagers about birth control, etc. Whats with all these abstinence only programs?
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 10:18 AM
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25. Just what are you proposing changing?
Thats why they dont to teach teenagers about birth control, etc.

I don't know what country you are posting from, but here in California we most certainly do teach those things.

Explain yourself.
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TheUniverse Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 10:20 AM
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27. It depends on the community.
Some schools teach about birth control. Some in fundamentalist districts though.
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 10:51 AM
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34. In the country of South Carolina, they don't emphasize birth control or
sex education that is terribly educative. They mention birth control, stress abstinence until marriage. They don't talk about oral sex used in place of intercourse or the consequences of sex. So, in this country, they like to pretend that teenagers aren't having sex.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 10:00 AM
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83. Wow, when I had sex ed in 8th grade in 1971 they even discussed homosexuality
They presented it in a purely factual, almost clinical manner. Not judgmental at all.

The emphasis in general was avoidance of pregnancy and STDs (which were still called "venereal diseases", a term later dropped because people realized it was misogynistic).

That was back in the days when there was no HIV, and genital herpes was very rare.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 02:14 PM
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49. "we dont need it to be legal for a 40 year old man to have sex with a 14 year old."
Edited on Sat Sep-15-07 02:15 PM by TahitiNut
How about a 40-year-old woman having sex with a 14-year-old??

How about a 50-year-old (either gender) having sex with a 24-year-old?

How about a 20-year-old (either gender) having sex with a 14-year-old?



How about outlawing inter-generational copulation??

Ever see "Harold and Maude"??

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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 10:23 AM
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30. What about the age of majority?
n/t
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 10:45 AM
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32. I can't remember where I heard about this...
Edited on Sat Sep-15-07 10:48 AM by MilesColtrane
It might be a religious rule of thumb. (Islam?)

It concerns determining the acceptable minimum age of someone's partner in a relationship.

The older (I think it was addressed to a male) partner divides their age in half and adds 7.

So a 14 yr. old can date a 14yr. old, but no younger.

16 yr. old a 15 yr. old.

18 yr. old a 16 yr. old...... and so on.

Fred Thompson's wife just clears the limit by two and a half years using this formula.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 03:03 PM
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51. Sounds like a good starting place.
Once both parties reach 18 or thereabouts, the rule can be dropped.
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 10:54 AM
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35. Has anybody seen the ads advising parents to tell kids to wait until they are married?
Edited on Sat Sep-15-07 10:56 AM by renie408
The GOVERNMENT is putting them out.

Because abstinence only works so well, and all.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/8/112036/1213
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 10:54 AM
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36. Here is the law. It seems as if someone who is 14 years old up to 16 years has
Edited on Sat Sep-15-07 11:00 AM by OmmmSweetOmmm
consensual sex (that doesn't involve sodomy) it is legal with someone up to 7 years older. For 16 year olds up to 18 year olds, it is legal with those 10 years older. At least that is how I'm reading it.

http://www.moraloutrage.net/staticpages/index.php?page=Utah

Welcome to Moral Outrage
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Utah - Age of Consent Laws
The following information was taken directly from the Utah state legislation website at http://www.le.state.ut.us/~code/code.htm


76-5-401. Unlawful sexual activity with a minor -- Elements -- Penalties -- Evidence of age raised by defendant.
(1) For purposes of this section "minor" is a person who is 14 years of age or older, but younger than 16 years of age, at the time the sexual activity described in this section occurred.
(2) A person commits unlawful sexual activity with a minor if, under circumstances not amounting to rape, in violation of Section 76-5-402, object rape, in violation of Section 76-5-402.2, forcible sodomy, in violation of Section 76-5-403, or aggravated sexual assault, in violation of Section 76-5-405, the actor:
(a) has sexual intercourse with the minor;
(b) engages in any sexual act with the minor involving the genitals of one person and the mouth or anus of another person, regardless of the sex of either participant; or
(c) causes the penetration, however slight, of the genital or anal opening of the minor by any foreign object, substance, instrument, or device, including a part of the human body, with the intent to cause substantial emotional or bodily pain to any person or with the intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person, regardless of the sex of any participant.
(3) A violation of Subsection (2) is a third degree felony unless the defendant establishes by a preponderance of the evidence the mitigating factor that the defendant is less than four years older than the minor at the time the sexual activity occurred, in which case it is a class B misdemeanor.

Repealed and Re-enacted by Chapter 82, 1998 General Session
76-5-401.1. Sexual abuse of a minor.
(1) For purposes of this section "minor" is a person who is 14 years of age or older, but younger than 16 years of age, at the time the sexual activity described in this section occurred.
(2) A person commits sexual abuse of a minor if the person is seven years or more older than the minor and, under circumstances not amounting to rape, in violation of Section 76-5-402, object rape, in violation of Section 76-5-402.2, forcible sodomy, in violation of Section 76-5-403, aggravated sexual assault, in violation of Section 76-5-405, unlawful sexual activity with a minor, in violation of Section 76-5-401, or an attempt to commit any of those offenses, the person touches the anus, buttocks, or any part of the genitals of the minor, or touches the breast of a female minor, or otherwise takes indecent liberties with the minor, or causes a minor to take indecent liberties with the actor or another person, with the intent to cause substantial emotional or bodily pain to any person or with the intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person regardless of the sex of any participant.
(3) A violation of this section is a class A misdemeanor.

Enacted by Chapter 82, 1998 General Session
76-5-401.2. Unlawful sexual conduct with a 16 or 17 year old.
(1) For purposes of this section "minor" means a person who is 16 years of age or older, but younger than 18 years of age, at the time the sexual conduct described in this section occurred.
(2) A person commits unlawful sexual conduct with a minor if, under circumstances not amounting to rape, in violation of Section 76-5-402, object rape, in violation of Section 76-5-402.2, forcible sodomy, in violation of Section 76-5-403, or aggravated sexual assault, in violation of Section 76-5-405, the actor who is ten or more years older than the minor at the time of the sexual conduct:
(a) has sexual intercourse with the minor;
(b) engages in any sexual act with the minor involving the genitals of one person and the mouth or anus of another person, regardless of the sex of either participant; or
(c) causes the penetration, however slight, of the genital or anal opening of the minor by any foreign object, substance, instrument, or device, including a part of the human body, with the intent to cause substantial emotional or bodily pain to any person or with the intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person, regardless of the sex of any participant.
(3) A violation of Subsection (2) is a third degree felony.

Enacted by Chapter 183, 1998 General Session
76-5-402.1. Rape of a child.
(1) A person commits rape of a child when the person has sexual intercourse with a child who is under the age of 14.
(2) Rape of a child is a first degree felony punishable by imprisonment for an indeterminate term of not less than 6, 10, or 15 years and which may be for life. Imprisonment is mandatory in accordance with Section 76-3-406.

Amended by Chapter 40, 1996 General Session
76-5-402.2. Object rape.
A person who, without the victim's consent, causes the penetration, however slight, of the genital or anal opening of another person who is 14 years of age or older, by any foreign object, substance, instrument, or device, not including a part of the human body, with intent to cause substantial emotional or bodily pain to the victim or with the intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person, commits an offense which is punishable as a felony of the first degree.

Amended by Chapter 18, 1984 General Session
76-5-406. Sexual offenses against the victim without consent of victim -- Circumstances.
An act of sexual intercourse, rape, attempted rape, rape of a child, attempted rape of a child, object rape, attempted object rape, object rape of a child, attempted object rape of a child, sodomy, attempted sodomy, forcible sodomy, attempted forcible sodomy, sodomy upon a child, attempted sodomy upon a child, forcible sexual abuse, attempted forcible sexual abuse, sexual abuse of a child, attempted sexual abuse of a child, aggravated sexual abuse of a child, attempted aggravated sexual abuse of a child, or simple sexual abuse is without consent of the victim under any of the following circumstances:
(1) the victim expresses lack of consent through words or conduct;
(2) the actor overcomes the victim through the actual application of physical force or violence;
(3) the actor is able to overcome the victim through concealment or by the element of surprise;
(4) (a) (i) the actor coerces the victim to submit by threatening to retaliate in the immediate future against the victim or any other person, and the victim perceives at the time that the actor has the ability to execute this threat; or
(ii) the actor coerces the victim to submit by threatening to retaliate in the future against the victim or any other person, and the victim believes at the time that the actor has the ability to execute this threat;
(b) as used in this Subsection (4) "to retaliate" includes but is not limited to threats of physical force, kidnaping, or extortion;
(5) the victim has not consented and the actor knows the victim is unconscious, unaware that the act is occurring, or physically unable to resist;
(6) the actor knows that as a result of mental disease or defect, the victim is at the time of the act incapable either of appraising the nature of the act or of resisting it;
(7) the actor knows that the victim submits or participates because the victim erroneously believes that the actor is the victim's spouse;
(8) the actor intentionally impaired the power of the victim to appraise or control his or her conduct by administering any substance without the victim's knowledge;
(9) the victim is younger than 14 years of age;
(10) the victim is younger than 18 years of age and at the time of the offense the actor was the victim's parent, stepparent, adoptive parent, or legal guardian or occupied a position of special trust in relation to the victim as defined in Subsection 76-5-404.1(4)(h);
(11) the victim is 14 years of age or older, but younger than 18 years of age, and the actor is more than three years older than the victim and entices or coerces the victim to submit or participate, under circumstances not amounting to the force or threat required under Subsection (2) or (4); or
(12) the actor is a health professional or religious counselor, as those terms are defined in this Subsection (12), the act is committed under the guise of providing professional diagnosis, counseling, or treatment, and at the time of the act the victim reasonably believed that the act was for medically or professionally appropriate diagnosis, counseling, or treatment to the extent that resistance by the victim could not reasonably be expected to have been manifested. For purposes of this Subsection (12):
(a) "health professional" means an individual who is licensed or who holds himself out to

be licensed, or who otherwise provides professional physical or mental health services, diagnosis, treatment, or counseling including, but not limited to, a physician, osteopathic physician, nurse, dentist, physical therapist, chiropractor, mental health therapist, social service worker, clinical social worker, certified social worker, marriage and family therapist, professional counselor, psychiatrist, psychologist, psychiatric mental health nurse specialist, or substance abuse counselor; and
(b) "religious counselor" means a minister, priest, rabbi, bishop, or other recognized member of the clergy.

Amended by Chapter 149, 2003 General Session
76-5-407. Applicability of part -- "Penetration" or "touching" sufficient to constitute offense.
(1) The provisions of this part do not apply to consensual conduct between persons married to each other.
(2) In any prosecution for:
(a) the following offenses, any sexual penetration, however slight, is sufficient to constitute the relevant element of the offense:
(i) unlawful sexual activity with a minor, a violation of Section 76-5-401, involving sexual intercourse;
(ii) unlawful sexual conduct with a 16 or 17 year old, a violation of Subsection 76-5-401.2, involving sexual intercourse; or
(iii) rape, a violation of Section 76-5-402; or
(b) the following offenses, any touching, however slight, is sufficient to constitute the relevant element of the offense:
(i) unlawful sexual activity with a minor, a violation of Section 76-5-401, involving acts of sodomy;
(ii) unlawful sexual conduct with a 16 or 17 year old, a violation of Section 76-5-401.2, involving acts of sodomy;
(iii) sodomy, a violation of Subsection 76-5-403(1);
(iv) forcible sodomy, a violation of Subsection 76-5-403(2);
(v) rape of a child, a violation of Section 76-5-402.1; or
(vi) object rape of a child, a violation of Section 76-5-402.3.
(3) In any prosecution for the following offenses, any touching, even if accomplished through clothing, is sufficient to constitute the relevant element of the offense:
(a) sodomy on a child, a violation of Section 76-5-403.1; or
(b) sexual abuse of a child or aggravated sexual abuse of a child, a violation of Section 76-5-404.1.

Amended by Chapter 128, 2000 General Session

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BadgerLaw2010 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 04:07 PM
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56. Seven years older is rediculous.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 11:00 AM
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37. As McMurphy (Jack Nicholson) said in one of my favorite movies of all time..
"She was fifteen years old, going on thirty-five, Doc, and she told me she was eighteen, she was very willing, I practically had to take to sewing my pants shut. Between you and me, uh, she might have been fifteen, but when you get that little red beaver right up there in front of you, I don't think it's crazy at all and I don't think you do either. No man alive could resist that, and that's why I got into jail to begin with. And now they're telling me I'm crazy over here because I don't sit there like a goddamn vegetable. Don't make a bit of sense to me. If that's what being crazy is, then I'm senseless, out of it, gone-down-the-road, wacko. But no more, no less, that's it."

I've always believed that consent should be based on the maturity of the individual, both physical and emotional, not an arbitrary age.
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BadgerLaw2010 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 11:02 AM
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38. You can't legislate "maturity of exceptional individual" though. You need to go with a norm.
Otherwise, statutes do not work.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 03:08 PM
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53. Actually, minors are "emancipated" quite regularly.
:shrug:
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BadgerLaw2010 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 04:02 PM
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54. Emancipation of minors is hardly "regular," let alone a societal norm.
Edited on Sat Sep-15-07 04:05 PM by BadgerLaw2010
It's a legal mechanism that's meant to be used in extraordinary circumstances, and it's difficult to get. There is no legal right to be emancipated; burden of proof is on the minor.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 04:29 PM
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57. Nonsense. Do some homework.
Minors are, in many states, automatically emancipated under number of circumstances. The most common are military service and marriage. It's NOT just by petition.

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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 11:06 AM
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39. From Dylan
Nobody feels any pain
Tonight as I stand inside the rain
Ev'rybody knows
That Baby's got new clothes
But lately I see her ribbons and her bows
Have fallen from her curls.
She takes just like a woman, yes, she does
She makes love just like a woman, yes, she does
And she aches just like a woman
But she breaks just like a little girl.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 11:07 AM
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40. Wonder if that dialogue was a bit of impov...
Edited on Sat Sep-15-07 11:07 AM by MilesColtrane
...from a conversation with Jack's pal Roman Polanski?

on edit: couldn't be. Polanski drugged his victim.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 04:03 PM
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55. Polanski didn't slip her roofies,
I think it was valium (or similar), which was a popular recreational drug at the time.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 03:05 PM
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52. There is a difference between being mature and being sexually active.
For example, how would that story play if you were told that the 15 year old had been repeatedly molested by her grandfather?
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 04:40 PM
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59. Which film is that from? n/t
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 08:04 PM
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60. One flew over the cuckoo's nest. nt
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 10:02 PM
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71. Jack Nicholson's best movie. Four Stars
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 11:08 AM
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41. Yes. 14 is too young...
especially if the partner is significantly older.

Moreover, having the age of consent as young as 14, makes it easier for paedophiles to make excuses for having sex with even younger children, "You tell me now that she's 12, but she LOOKED 14!" Leaves the door open to all sorts of creepy and abusive stuff.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 11:09 AM
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42. I think that's a bit young.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 11:12 AM
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44. Not necessarily for another 14 year old, but definitely for an adult.
It may be an unpopular position, but I believe 14 is old enough for some teenagers, anyway, to explore sexuality. I would be deeply suspicious of any adult who tried to use this as an excuse to have sex with a 14 year old however, and I personally wouldn't feel comfortable (or even interested) with having sex with someone so young.
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 01:35 PM
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46. Spoken like a sane Adult.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 02:04 PM
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48. Uh-oh. I better work on that...
;)
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Ariana Celeste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 01:44 PM
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47. When I was 14 I had sex with a 15 year old.
It didn't scar us, it didn't hurt us, and we certainly weren't taking advantage of each other. We were young, we thought we were in love, and we used protection.

In some states, had we been caught, he could have gotten arrested and charged. Is that right?

I don't think people several+ years older than a teen should be having sex with them. But when there is a very small age difference, a couple of years, I don't see an issue. And I don't think there should be any jail time or charges granted that it is consensual. Teenagers have sex with each other, they always have, they always will, and giving them jail time for it is fucking ridiculous.

So yeah, I don't see an issue with 14 as an age of consent, as far as teens having sex with each other. If on the other hand adults are using it as an excuse, that's fucked up.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 08:07 PM
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61. usually there must be a difference in age of 48 months
an 18 year old should not be having sex with a 14 year old
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Ariana Celeste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 08:44 PM
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67. Oh I agree
:thumbsup:
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 04:39 PM
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58. Good question
It's difficult to say. Here (Britain), the age of consent is 16 (unless you're a gay woman, in which case there's no age of consent). Ideally, it's down to the individual. I've known 14-yr olds who were perfectly mature enough to responsibly enjoy their sex life (my brother for example) but I've also known those who weren't mature enough at 20 or so (i.e. my sister).

Since the law has to deal in generalisations, I'd say that 14 is broadly too young. Some might be but the majority of 14-yr olds aren't mature enough to handle it.
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 08:16 PM
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63. Maybe it's because I am the mother of an 11 year old girl...
but 14 seems too young to me to understand sex. You know, the brains of teenagers are not fully formed. They are still developing (LITERALLY) the 'common sense' area of their brain. That's why they engage in risky behaviors, including having sex. I have told both my children that sex is something that needs to wait until they truly understand it and they are having sex for themselves and not for somebody else. And until they are truly ready to accept any negative consequences that might occur. I don't want my daughter blowing some eighth grader instead of having intercourse, either. I don't care if either of them waits until they are married, but there are important self-esteem issues involved with sex, especially for girls. I want them to wait until they can understand that.
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JBear Donating Member (318 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 08:20 PM
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64. In this case it does not matter anyway....SHE SAID NO! (nt)
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 08:24 PM
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65. My kid will be 14 next month. Straight A's, very mature outlook on life..and so
not ready for that. Not just no, but HELL no.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 08:25 PM
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66. You're missing an inmportant choice. Is the partner 14 or an adult?
Another 14 year old? A scenario as old as time.

A 14 year old with an adult? Hell no.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 08:50 PM
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68. How many of the other wives have to consent? n/t
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-15-07 10:18 PM
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72. Thank the gods for age of consent laws
Edited on Sat Sep-15-07 10:24 PM by Chovexani
They put away the 28 yo fucker that groomed and molested me when I was 14. I "consented" because I had Stockholm Syndrome.

All those sick bastards need to be thrown in jail to never see the light of day again.

Edit: "Romeo and Juliet" situations are completely different, IMO, and shouldn't be illegal. Teenagers need to be able to safely explore their sexuality with each other without fear of the law.
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Threedifferentones Donating Member (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 11:04 AM
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75. The idea of an age of consent seems stupid to me.
If two people of roughly the same age decide to get it on it should be a crime if they're both not 16 or 18 or whatever? I certainly think parents should monitor their kids' behavior and 14 is awfully young for romance/sex, but does the law need to be involved in the lives of horny adolescents?
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 12:59 PM
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80. It does when adults manipulate young teens to have sex with them
In most cases when a person their parents' age has sex with a 14 year old, there is a manipulative/coercive element.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 05:20 PM
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82. With the "maximum age spread" rule they have, I like it
I think we've seen this scenario discussed on DU...

Seventeen-year-old male has sixteen-year-old girlfriend. Male turns 18. Girlfriend is still 16. Girlfriend decides to give him sex as a birthday present. She comes home 20 minutes after curfew...to face an interrogation that would make Alberto Gonzalez proud. During this session, she admits to the sex.

Her parents didn't like the guy anyway, and now they can send him away for a long, long time: an adult having sex with a minor gets 25 years in prison and must register as a sex offender. Now...if she'd only have had the good common sense to fuck him one day earlier, it would have just been two kids having sex, no big deal, but because he crossed the Magic Line of Adulthood, he gets to run Dick Cheney's license plate press for a quarter-century.

If there was no maximum age spread--if 60-year-olds could sleep with 15-year-olds--that would be really sick. But ten years isn't that bad.
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