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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 11:04 PM
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My latest letter to Pelosi
Dear Madam Speaker,

Impeachment is no longer an option.

Impeachment is a necessity in order to stop the war profiteering, the US military drive (and abuse of troops) for global ownership of oil, and possibly even more importantly, the impending US attack in Iran.

I believe wholeheartedly that impeachment of both Bush and Cheney, even as followed by all the processes and steps required, can and should be done.

Congress is turning its eye away from the crimes of these two men. And, in just one blink of that turned eye, our Constitution and Bill of Rights can completely evaporate: Forever will the foundation of our nation be gone.

To make excuses, such as how impeachment may affect the 2008 elections, or that such a move would be divisive, or even that there would not be enough votes for the articles to pass, is not only lame, but dangerous. Our nation has been turned upside down, has lost credibility on the global front, and its very foundation is in extreme peril.

If our nation does not retain what foundation is still left and strengthen its core, we are doomed to certain failure at the hands of Bush and Cheney.

Perhaps you are wary of having to take on the position as leader of our nation should impeachment be successful in either removing Bush and Cheney, or by these two men resigning their positions before their second term is over. Yet, were you to take on the mantle of Interim President, I believe our nation would fare far better as you have greater diplomatic skills both at home and abroad than either of these two could possibly carry in their little fingers.

Madame Speaker...

War is terrorism.

Killing for oil is despicable.

Thousands upon thousands of innocent lives undone, ignored, maimed and otherwise killed is a horror with blood laid at the feet of our nation.

Abusing our troops for corporate gains and global authority goes against everything the framers of the Constitution envisioned for our fledgling nation to take sweet flight.

Your elevation to Speaker of The House after the November 2006 elections was not only the nation speaking loudly and clearly for the ending of the war in Iraq, but was also a citizenry crying out to stop the madness of failed policy and politics that has resulted in escalating consumer prices from food to health care to simply having enough money to put gas in cars to go to work...at least for those who still have jobs here in the US.

And, it was a resounding statement of hope for impeachment of Bush and Cheney.

However, if you still feel that impeachment is not an option, and you wish to rely on straw man arguments, please read the list following my email here for the top fifteen excuses as posited and explained by David Swanson.

Please stop the killing.

Please stop the war profiteering.

Please bring our troops home and out of harm's way.

Please stop spending my money for death and destruction.

Madam Speaker, you do have the power to facilitate impeachment of Bush and Cheney for the crimes they have committed, and the lies they used in beginning and prolonging the war and occupation in Iraq.

You also have the power to stop war on a more global scale through impeachment by stopping the attack in Iran before it begins.

Please do your job.

Do it for our nation, and its citizens.

Do it for the innocents in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Do it because you can, and because you are sworn to do so.

Please save our nation.

Sincerely,
XXXXX XXXXXXX



http://www.davidswanson.org/?q=node/931

Is Peace or Impeachment Possible?
Submitted by dswanson on Sun, 2007-09-16 15:04. Impeachment

By David Swanson

www.floridaimpeach.org >

<snip>
The purpose of impeachment is not just to take back control of our government, not just to end an occupation, not just to prevent an attack on Iran. The purpose of impeachment is to inform future presidents that they must obey laws. But this is not something that concerns many Congress members. Their chief concern tends to be whether the next president will belong to their party.

Twenty Congress members have signed onto H Res 333, Dennis Kucinich's bill to impeach Cheney. Many more signed onto the Gonzales bill or signed on during the last Congress to the Conyers bill for a preliminary impeachment investigation. And others have said publicly or privately that they favor impeachment. But these members have not signed onto Kucinich's bill on Cheney and have not introduced their own on Cheney or Bush. I've spoken to a lot of them and their staff and to constituents who've spoken to them. They have about 15 excuses, most of which are very easily rejected, a few of which it is going to be very hard but not impossible for us to get around.

Excuse #1: You can't judge articles of impeachment prior to a committee investigation. That gets the process out of order:

This is a complaint with Kucinich's bill, which lays out three specific charges against Cheney. Inslee's bill on Gonzales got around this by simply proposing that the Judiciary Committee investigate whether Gonzales had committed impeachable offenses. A new bill could do the same for Bush and Cheney and would not have to be wholly devoid of content. It could suggest the area or areas of inquiry.

Excuse #2. We don't have all the facts we need in order to impeach.

Well, of course that's what an impeachment investigation is for. But in fact we do have the facts. The Judiciary Committee passed an article of impeachment against Nixon for refusing to comply with subpoenas. Bush and Cheney and Rice have indisputably refused to comply with subpoenas. That one is an instant impeachment. Just add backbone. The signing statements is another instant impeachment. So is Bush's confessed violation of FISA, although it is complicated politically by Congress's recent legalization of this crime. Bush is on videotape being warned about Hurricane Katrina and on videotape claiming he wasn't. He and Cheney are on videotape lying about the reasons for war, and the evidence that they knew they were lying is overwhelming. That is the impeachable offense our founding fathers most worried about. James Madison and George Mason both argued as well at the Constitutional Convention that impeachment would be needed if a president ever pardoned a crime that he himself was involved in. The commutation of Scooter Libby's sentence (another notable ass-kissing little chicken shit) is another obvious impeachment. The list is endless. Congressman Conyers has published a lengthy book documenting many of the felonies and abuses of power.

Excuse #3: Impeachment would take too long.

Nixon took 3 months. Clinton took 2. They've spent 9 thus far avoiding it, and with very little to show for it. Impeachment for refusal to comply with subpoenas would take one day.

Excuse #4: Impeachment would distract from other things.

Yeah? Like what? Since when is restoring the Bill of Rights a distraction? A distraction from funding wars and legalizing spying is fine with me. A distraction from passing bills that will be vetoed does not worry me.

Excuse #5: We need to focus on ending the war.

OK, but if you focus on ending the war for two full years and don't actually end it, I wish you luck getting people to turn out next November. When Congress moved toward impeachment of Nixon, it found the nerve to end a war, and he backed off on his veto threats. Congress passed a menu of progressive legislation in part because of, not despite, the impeachment threat hanging over Nixon. And ultimately of course impeachment is going to be needed to end the current occupation of Iraq.

Excuse #6: Impeachment would be divisive.

Actually that's not true among Democrats. Eighty percent favor impeachment. But as far as bipartisan harmony on Capitol Hill goes, the dangers of creating divisiveness is sort of like the danger of violence breaking out if we leave Iraq. It's too late already! And it's too late because the Republicans never give a damn for bipartisan harmony. Were they in the majority with a Democratic president holding the all-time record for unpopularity, they would long ago have impeached him and forced every Democratic Congress member to either defend him or run away from their own party. Does anybody remember Al Gore picking Joe Lieberman as a running mate and pretending he'd never met Bill Clinton? That was the result of an impeachment without a Senate conviction. (John Nichols says: impeachment is not a constitutional crisis. It's the cure for the one we're in. Aspirin is not a headache crisis. Impeachment is not a constitutional crisis.)

Excuse #7: We don't have the votes in the House to impeach.

Well, you would if Pelosi whipped on it. And Congress members back bills all the time that are not predicted to pass. If their colleagues fail to join them, that's between their colleagues and their colleagues' constituents. And again, impeachment usually does its work without getting all the way to impeachment. A move to impeach for refusal to comply with subpoenas, for example, might result in compliance with subpoenas. And it is the only thing that might. Holding people in contempt through the courts will take forever and probably fail. Inherent contempt is a tool Congress doesn't have the backbone for. And Congress is not about to use either type of contempt against Bush or Cheney.

Excuse #8: We don't have the votes in the Senate to convict.

Well, you might if you put the crimes on television and if the house impeached. But you would do good for the nation and Democrats would do good for their party even with a Senate acquittal. Nothing would better identify for the public the Senators who need to be thrown out of office. And impeachment even without conviction would reverse the public perception of Democrats as having no spine. They may hold even in the next election without impeaching anyone or getting us out of Iraq, but if they want to win new seats, and if they want to win the White House with a large enough margin to not have the election stolen, they will reverse their current position and act!

Excuse #9: I won't sign onto Kucinich's bill because he hasn't asked me to, and he's a liberal, and he's running for president.

Well, yes, dear Congressman or Congresswoman, but this is the government of the world's largest and most powerful empire. This isn't high school. We expect you to sign onto a bill based on the merits of it, or to introduce your own.

Excuse #10: You can't impeach over policy differences because you don't like war. You have to impeach for a crime.

Well, Kucinich's bill charges Cheney with the felony that involves misleading Congress and with the crime of threatening war on Iran. Cheney is on videotape doing so. Conyers' book lists lots of felonies. But in fact, not every crime is an impeachable offense and not every impeachable offense is a crime. When Nixon cheated on his taxes or Clinton cheated on his wife and lied about it under oath, no impeachable offenses were committed. When Nixon lied to the public or when Bush ignored warnings prior to 9/11, no crimes were committed, but the offenses were impeachable.

Excuse #11: If I backed impeachment, the media would be mean to me.

Yes, Congressman; Yes, Congresswoman. And if you don't people will die. Which is worse? A majority backs impeachment now for Cheney and a majority or close to it for Bush. Those numbers will go up, not down, if you act, regardless of what the media says. You know those 18 percent of Americans who approve of the job you're doing? Even they don't like the media. No campaign email raises more money than one that begins, "Fox News just attacked me."

That's 11 excuses so far. I think those 11 can be refuted. The next four are harder to get around.

Excuse #12: Impeachment would make Bush and Cheney sympathetic and rally people around them.

The idea of making Cheney in particular an object of sympathy may seem ludicrous. But then so did the idea that Saddam Hussein was about to attack us with unmanned aerial vehicles. Common sense is not enough in Washington. We need hard numbers. I think Congress should start with Cheney and watch as Republicans are forced to abandon him. The Republicans would have done this to the Democrats years ago. The idea that impeachment would help Bush and Cheney originated in Republican National Committee talking points published in May 2006. Pelosi immediately adopted the idea as her own. It flies in the face of the historical record. When the Republicans have moved impeachment, as against Truman for example, they've benefited at the polls. When the Democrats tried to impeach Nixon, who was popular compared to Cheney or Bush, they won huge victories. When they promised not to impeach Reagan, they lost in the next elections. The exceptional case is the Clinton impeachment which was uniquely unpopular. Nonetheless, the Republicans hung onto both houses of Congress and the White House. In fact, they lost very few seats, fewer than is the norm at that point in the tenure of a majority in Congress. The Democrats may be risking more by not impeaching than they would be by doing it. But unless we can get polls done in swing districts that show overwhelmingly that the Democrats will lose seats by not impeaching, they are unlikely to act. This is what their staffers tell me. And polls showing they'd gain seats by impeaching may not be enough, if they think they'd do OK without it. And we'll have to show that Republicans save their seats by backing impeachment if we want any Republicans to act. Of course this is all utterly disgusting. Human life and the future of democracy are not concerns that even come up. It's all about elections.

Excuse #13: Impeachment would remind people of Bill Clinton.

Well, would that be so horrible? I was no fan of Bill Clinton, but compared to Bush and Cheney he looks like a saint.

Excuse #14: Nancy Pelosi opposes impeachment.

Excuse #15: Hillary Clinton opposes impeachment.

The way we bring them around is to show that the Democrats have a better chance at the White House as the party with backbone and integrity than as the party that just isn't the Republicans.



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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 11:39 PM
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1. At least am trying to get her attention
Am sure many of you DU'ers do the same, and probably even more frequently than I do

:thumbsup: to all of you! :applause:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 11:58 PM
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4. I'm sitting here trying to come up with a new angle.
Go, Whoa_Nelly!

:applause:
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 12:38 AM
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5. And thank you!
For all you have done in getting the attention out there for IMPEACH On The Beach1

Saw the short vid on it, and it was wonderful! :applause: :applause: :applause:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 12:46 AM
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7. I think there will be a final draft of the video in a day or so.
:hug:

:kick:
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liberaldemocrat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 02:39 AM
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9. You could send Speaker Pelosi one of these formal greeting cards.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:03 AM
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11. Those are so good.
I just might do that!

lol
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 04:37 PM
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16. Will be looking for that final draft!
If I had the money, would be up there for each and every one of the Impeach on the Beach events.
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FREEWILL56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 11:51 PM
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2. Thank you
for sharing this as it speaks volumes, but upon deaf ears it would seem. The time for making excuses at the expense of the American people is over for our representatives aren't there just for themselves or any party, but to represent and do a job for us the American people. When somebody does not do their job right they get fired and that was the message Pelosi seems to have forgotten and dare I say it could apply to her too, so say her bosses, the people. Not Bush and the republicon party or even the democratic party, the people. REMEMBER US?
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 12:42 AM
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6. I like what Cafferty said in his TIME interview...
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1662283,00.html

<snip>
I think it was perhaps one of the most arrogant things I've ever seen in my life for Nancy Pelosi, on the day after Democrats won control of the House, to make this announcement as though this was Moses coming down with the tablets, that impeachment's been taken off the table. Well who the hell is she to take it off the table? It's part of the Constitution. I think there is reason to suspect that things have been done that may not be kosher, and I think the government's responsibility is to determine that. That's part of why they're there. That's what Congress does. That's the checks and balances. So whether he deserves to be impeached or not, I guess we'll never know, because they're not going to bother to look at it.


...and maybe it is still falling on deaf (and arrogant) ears, FREEWILL56, but we have to keep shouting. Maybe someone will start listening and acting for us, instead of ignoring us.
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FREEWILL56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 01:18 AM
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8. We can only hope that more will start listening
to us rather than bush because the change in Pelosi came right after many talks with bush. Gee, what a coincidence that is? NOT! It is well known that governments and officials should not deal with terrorists and I fully believe bush and company to be a big terrorist organization.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 11:57 PM
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3. When shall we three meet again?
:toast:

k&r
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:00 AM
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13. In thunder, lightning, or in rain?
:hi:
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 03:26 AM
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10. K&R&I(Impeach)
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 10:44 AM
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12. Thanks for the rec...and anyone can use the letter
I still believe that hounding those who are supposed to be working FOR us, need to be bothered, and bothered frequently.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:33 AM
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14. Kicking, still kicking
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:38 AM
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15. Thank you, dear friend
:loveya:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:40 PM
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17. Evening kickers
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:59 PM
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18. Let's hope Pelosi reads it
Is your final draft vid up yet?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:17 AM
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20. Not yet. But I've committed to writing a weekly impeachment rant.
Edited on Tue Sep-18-07 01:15 AM by sfexpat2000
Spell from San Francisco: Impeach. Reason: treason.

I may be wrong but it is likely that the impeachment demonstration we held in San Francisco last Saturday was the largest one outside of D.C. My friend, a cabbie with a laptop, a cell phone and a credit card, got us all together again to spell out “Impeach” with our bodies and filmed it against the backdrop of the San Francisco Bay and the Golden Gate Bridge. This is our third outing. About a thousand of my neighbors are now the June Taylor Dancers of protest here in Nancy Pelosi’s district. There was no ugliness, no rants from an amplified stage. The cops on duty drank coffee at the edge of Crissy Field and we all enjoyed a rare moment of no tension between the First Amendment and law enforcement in a post Patriot Act world.

The organizer hired a helicopter to film us. You haven’t done San Francisco until you’ve lain down in a field between two strangers and been buzzed by a black helicopter. On my left was a dad with two kids under three. To my right, a woman who works for the city and just happened to be walking by. Both of us are too old to be flash mobbing but desperate times really do call for desperate measures.

And, the “liberal” media went silent. Hundreds of people, beautiful images, tourists gathering on the walkways to watch. But, shhh! Please do not spill the secret that the progressive community in Nancy Pelosi’s district is being shunned. And, that’s not hyperbole. Code Pink was there, PDA was there, the Greens were there, Iraq Veterans Against the War, present. World Can’t Wait, Impeach Bush Cheney, civilians who’ve never protested anything were there. Who am I leaving out? We were all there. And we will continue to be there until these criminals exploiting the structures of our government are sad history. But, it must be a real chore for our “liberal” media to ignore us all at the same time just as it must be difficult for Nancy Pelosi to ignore the expressed needs of her district.

I understand that the Democrats see an opportunity to shore up their majority in 2008. But, I don’t see how anyone in the statesmanship business can discount the lives that will be lost in the next year. It only took Bush nine months to ignore every bit of intelligence that could have prevented September 11. It’s taken about five years to get about a million Iraqis killed and about five million displaced – we could divide that number by five and do the math. We still don’t know how many people perished when the levees breached in NOLA, and it’s been two years. We know that the White House knew the levees failed and warned no one.

And now, despite the IAEA’s report that Iran has no nuke program, both Republicans and Democrats are calling out that country. I want to go back to Crissy Field and lie down because waiting to be buzzed by a black helicopter is more materially sane than listening to the unhinged Beltway chatter.

Where is Barry Goldwater when you need him.

Here in Nancy’s district, we’ve had it with needless death and destruction. With slogans that try to paper over atrocities. We’re done with that. It doesn’t matter if our local paper covers our actions or not. It doesn’t matter if the teevee stations send out a camera or not. It just doesn’t matter. Our revulsion is so profound that it may just be impossible for these outlets to report our activities to a weary public ahead of an election. The coming election comes pre-tainted because the dirt of the last federal election hasn’t quite been shed. San Franciscans remember the riot of disenfranchised voters at the Ohio statehouse on election night even if the New York Times doesn’t, let alone our local papers.

Our revulsion at being asked to wait for a serial liar’s report is equally profound. Petraeus lied about mobile weapons labs in the run up to the sacking of Iraq, aka, this “war”. He lied to Congress about arming militias and yesterday, he was linked in the New York Times to kickbacks on weapons deals. Someone give this man a fig leaf. A really big one.

Our spelling here in San Francisco will persist. No matter how difficult is has been to go from being Pelosi’s campaign volunteers, supporters and cheerleaders to being her critics, we have had to make that change. The last year and a half that she’s refused to meet with her constituency has been a long mistake. Earth to Nancy: we are not okay with fake wars for profit. We are not okay with torture. We are not okay with NOLA dying nor with the sacking of Iraq. We are not okay with a Justice Department used to disenfranchise voters. We are not okay with allowing the scofflaws in the White House to attack Iran for a fictional nuke program. Nancy, we are not okay. Enough. Impeach.























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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:19 AM
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22. Yay, you! and, Well Done!
Are you also sending a copy to Nancy?

I did not realize she has ignored you all for so long!

This BS has to stop!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 02:29 PM
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23. I will continue sending a weekly email and also hardcopy to Nancy.
And to try to get the thing published on the net or any where.

This is Big Casino.

:hug:

:grouphug:
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Perseid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:01 AM
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19. great letter, but
I'm convinced she is one of the chief enablers of this criminal administration
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:17 AM
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21. Of that you may be correct
Edited on Tue Sep-18-07 01:47 AM by Whoa_Nelly
But, how long will she ignore her duty?

Do you have any suggestions as to how to get her, and other members of COngress, to actually do something about impeachment before Bush and Cheney leave office? I am open to ideas. :hi:

Naomi Wolf, author of The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot, was on Seder's Air America show weekend before last, and she says its urgent for us, as citizens, to gather by the millions in convergence on DC, or our nation as we know (have known) will no longer exist. She believes its that desperate. I tend to agree with her.

But how to get such a gathering? How to force Congress to do the people's will?

Anyway, here is a great article re: The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot. It's the introduction to her book.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/naomi-wolf/read-the-introduction-to-_b_63779.html

And, as the fourth hit on this google search, you can read the introduction in .pdf format in its entirety:

http://tinyurl.com/2f5r2b
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