bugga bugga bugga - Venezuela's Chavez May Take Over Schools

Venezuela's Chavez May Take Over Schools
By IAN JAMES (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
September 17, 2007 1:49 PM EDT

CARACAS, Venezuela - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez threatened on Monday to close or take over any private school that refuses to submit to the oversight of his socialist government as it develops a new curriculum and textbooks.

"Society cannot allow the private sector to do whatever it wants," said Chavez, speaking on the first day of classes.

All schools, public and private, must admit state inspectors and submit to the government's new educational system, or be closed and nationalized, with the state taking responsibility for the education of their children, Chavez said.

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Oooooooh - me scared!!!!!! :scared:


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Same bunch o'fools.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3527305&mesg_id=3527305

and freedom too.

Mandatory drivers ed before you get a license?

Fucking fascists.

am I missing something? Don't schools here have to be accredited by the state? I'm not particularly a fan of Chavez, but his seems silly.

Private schools in the US have to meet educational standards, even religious schools.

They can't stop at teaching children bible stories and prayers.

most choose to, but there is no obligation to do so. People may not recognize the diplomas you give out, but all you need to start a private school in the US is a business license. There are no requirements for teacher certification, administrator certification, curriculum certification or anything.

It is entirely up to the states what those schools have to teach. In some states they have to do pretty much nothing.

Sorry, this just sounds like idealogical bullshit.

The president's opponents accuse him of aiming to indoctrinate young Venezuelans with socialist ideology. But the education minister said the aim is to develop "critical thinking," not to impose a single way of thought.

"We want to create our own ideology collectively - creative, diverse," the president said, adding that it would help develop values of "cooperation and solidarity."

All schools will be bound to "subordinate themselves to the constitution" and comply with the "new Bolivarian educational system," he said, referring to his socialist movement named after South American independence hero Simon Bolivar.

Anticipating criticism, Chavez said the state's role in regulating education is internationally accepted and that it wouldn't be possible for a school administrator to insist on autonomy in countries like Germany or the United States.

Chavez also noted that previous Venezuelan educational systems carried their own ideology. Leafing through old grade school textbooks from the 1970s, he pointed out how they referred to Venezuela's "discovery" by Europeans.

"They taught us to admire Christopher Colombus and Superman," Chavez said, adding that education based on capitalist ideology had destroyed "the values of children."

But his brother is the Education Minister? Nepotism anyone?

Maybe, just maybe, after story by story like this comes out, the chavez cult worshipers will begin opening their eyes and seeing that we were right the entire time.

He's a power hungry piece of shit. Yessiree.

if pieces of shit were numbered from 1 to 50 (50 being the bigger pile), what would you assign Bush and what would you assign to Chavez?

their policies and effects on public education and health and invading other countries without cause, etc. that's a pretty small point spread. I can't think of anything negative Chavez has done to even come close to what Bush has done.

what would you consider to be Bush's biggest crimes? and Chavez'? I'm just curious why some people have this strange overreaction to any country (especially in latin america) that takes a populist or socialist path instead of the capitalistic one. Nicaragua was on the socialist path as well, before Reagan decided to wipe out that nasty dangerous virus of empowered peoples being in charge of their own resources and destiny. horrible thought. ;(

That's why the higher score. Bush undoubtedly has perpetrated far worse acts and would seem to lead him by a mile. But I have to keep in perspective that venezuala is not america and does not have the same power and capabilities at its disposal as we do. If they did, I could see him being far more aggressive. But I think he's leading there already. I think it is a slow process and he's doing it a little piece at a time. But I have no doubt that he's capable of a similar level of atrocities, though under a different propagandic guise, as bush is. That's why their score is close.

I am not fooled by him whatsoever. I know he would have no qualms with slaughtering your family one day if you opposed him. He might not be doing such things yet, but I have no doubt he is capable of it. He's a power hungry piece of shit wanna be world dictator like the others are, bush included. One need not yet commit the same atrocities to be regarded as capable or inclined to do such.

I see right through that fucker. If you don't, you don't.

I read your post a couple times and can only come up with this summary:

-I have no facts to back up my low opinion of Chavez and how dangerous he really is. I just 'know' that he is evil if given the chance. gut feeling only.-

are you sure you mean this? not very convincing, just to let you know.

If you want to be under his spell and continue following him as if he can do no wrong, I doubt anyone could stop you. But it's fairly obvious that right now you are too under that spell for any real dialogue to take place. This can be seen by your "no facts" statement, which is always a sign of a closed mind and worthless argument. You asked for an opinion and I gave it to you. You didn't ask for a list of facts to show exactly why I hold that opinion. So the fact you want to throw that cliche mindless line out there is all the proof I need that you're a bit too far gone in chavez land to hold any open minded dialogue.

There are many facts that lead me to hold the opinion I do. I don't expect you to 'understand' them either. People in a cult rarely understand the common sense things glaring them in the face. I can go on about all the glaring signs that call caution to his behavior. I can go on about the closing of the media, the directive to kick out any foreigner who dares speak ill of him, the intent to rule by decree, his attempts to erase term limits, and the plethora of other acts he's done and is attempting to do (such as in the OP) that make my opinion have legitimacy. But you and I both know you'd dismiss every bit of it. You're under his propagandic spell. I feel for you, but I also believe that the day will come when he's done enough of these things, and committed enough anti-democratic acts, that you will break free from the spell and recognize him as the piece of shit he is. Until that time, I won't bother you from worshiping your false idol.

...pardon me?

you are the one going by 'gut feelings' and 'crystal balling' and some kind of clairvoyant stuff on what Chavez may be capable of in the future If he had the ways and means, etc., That sounds a lot more like spellcasting to me...

I guess I asked the wrong person. sorry.

here is your post - my responses in brackets:
There are many facts that lead me to hold the opinion I do. I don't expect you to 'understand' them either.
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(not so sleight of hand way of calling me stupid for not following your factless gut feeling beliefs. wow, great debater, you are)

People in a cult rarely understand the common sense things glaring them in the face. I can go on about all the glaring signs that call caution to his behavior.
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(I am not in a cult, how can you assume that. we have only exchanged a couple posts. What's with That Crystal Ball of yours? it's broken, get it fixed. )

I can go on about the closing of the media, the directive to kick out any foreigner who dares speak ill of him, the intent to rule by decree, his attempts to erase term limits, and the plethora of other acts he's done and is attempting to do (such as in the OP) that make my opinion have legitimacy.
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(I can give you examples of these very same things Done To You (assuming you are American) and Right in your Face 10 times harsher by Your president and his family of corporate theives and liars. I certainly hope you expend at least as much energy on fighting the vermin right in your own back yard)

But you and I both know you'd dismiss every bit of it. You're under his propagandic spell.
( here we go again. And whose Spell are You Under? sure is strong mojo working on you, bud.)

You do know that there was an unsuccesful coup attempt on Chavez a couple years back by the US gov - I guess you think that there are certain situations where this kind of thing is acceptable if corporate power is threatened. got to break some eggs to make an omelette kind of thinking? How are you on torture, okay sometimes? (Trying out that crystal ball idea on you. kind of fun. thanks for the idea)

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Gee, how did I know that was coming. So predictable! Always, the chavez cultists throw that line in, as if by not bowing down to chavez, it means that we somehow condone bush. It's so monumentally narrow minded and ignorant in its sentiments I can't help but laugh at it.

Bush is a piece of shit. Does that mean no other leader ever can be characterized as such, lest the party be guilty of underplaying the atrocities of bush? How pathetic.

And I do know about the unsuccessful coup. What in the world does that have to do with the absolutely anti-democratic and power hungry moves that chavez does? It's just another throw away line that the "chavez is PERFECT!" cultists throw out ad nauseum. Always the same ignorant crap: If you don't support chavez, then you support bush and coup attempts. Do you not recognize how absolutely mindless of a sentiment that is? Always the same story.

And you accuse me of condoning torture? Gee, you're so genuine and intelligent with your arguments. And you accuse me of crystal ball tactics LOL.

See, at least I have hard cold evidence of the things chavez is doing to base my opinions and future cautions on. But you, with your several wildly contrived character deductions such as insinuating that I don't take bush seriously, condone coup attempts, or condone torture, are reacting solely out of emotional silliness and complete lack of reasoning for reaching such conclusions. And spare me the whole "I didn't accuse you, I just asked!" spiel, cause you and I both know what you're implying. So I'd say it is you who has the broken crystal ball, my dear.

It looks like you have no facts either, and only empty wiseass rhetoric. I have yet to see you defend why he shouldn't be regarded with caution, or why all of those power hungry things he's done, including what's in the OP, are good ideas and not worthy of contempt. See, cause I ABSOLUTELY think ALL of them are worthy of contempt and are glaring signs as to what he's really about; and that's not someone who should be worshiped and praised.

What's even more hilarious to me is each time the cultists throw the "what about bush!" crap out there, as if one has anything to do with the other. It is such a sign that they have no leg to stand on and no real argument. But what I find hilarious about it, is that all of you that defend him with such passion do so with the utmost of hypocrisy in my opinion. Like another poster said in this thread: Replace chavez with bush in any of these stories and every person praising chavez would be out in the streets demanding bush's head. That's a fucking fact. But all of a sudden it's ok when chavez does it, and no big deal. Well sorry sister, but I don't base my opinions on politics. I base them on fucking reality. And the reality is that the things chavez is doing, the things he's already done, the things he is proposing to do in the future, are all glaring warnings that he's a piece of shit wannabe dictator who is not to be trusted.

Thankfully, so many here who once thought he was oh so good have come to their senses and now recognize that he is in fact a piece of shit cut of the same cloth as so many others. Now there are only a few fringies left hanging on to their idealistic views of him, but it is my hope that they too will someday open their eyes and realize he is not the saint the perceive him to be.

So goodnight to you, and good luck. May you one day open your eyes and see him for what he is: Which is not someone worthy of respect.

and landslide votes overseen by international election groups?
this always stumps me - how cultists like you overlook a bona fide Elected leader (more honestly elected than what goes on in the US) is called a dictator just because he carries out the promises he made to the people majority during his campaigns and spreads the wealth around.

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Oh, oh, I LOVE the smell of blind reasoning and political bias!

God that made me laugh. All the same cookie cutter defenses that are seen every single time. Can you really say those things with a straight face while not being sick to your stomach from the hypocrisy of how you'd feel if bush did the very same things?

He's a wannabe dictator power hungry piece of shit. Someday, may you wake up and realize this. (if you want to facilitate the process, then you can objectively look at the situation like I have, and instead of thinking of chavez as the issuer of such declarations imagine bush being the issuer of them. Then tell me if you'd still have no problem with them)

election fraud is no laughing matter to me. I'm sorry you don't see that yet. but one day you will open your eyes and see that you have been taken in by the cultists.
is a wannabe dictator something like a wannabe fascist or a wannabe lotto winner?
I don't think you are being very objective or factual at all. You are pretending to be able to read chicken entrails, or something...
but we've covered this already.

And now you go on to insinuate that I find election fraud to be a laughing matter? Oh, oh, what brilliant accusations will you insinuate next? When will the hilarity end? :rofl:

And open my eyes to what? Taken in by what cultists? Do you even know what you're talking about anymore?

And I can't help but notice that all you have been capable of doing is offering put downs and stuff. Pretty mindless stuff if ya ask me. I also can't help but notice that you never address any of the points made and instead just dance around them with the simple minded sarcasm.

I have stated my opinion of him based on the FACTS of things he has done that are power hungry in nature and quite anti-democratic by anyone's standards. I have a right to that opinion and it would seem based on his actions that my opinion is spot on. But have you YET issued ANYTHING in defense of him? Have you YET addressed the issue of monumental hypocrisy you are at risk of, by saying his doing these things is ok, but yet you'd UNDOUBTEDLY be screaming for bush's head if he did the VERY SAME THINGS? Why do you keep avoiding these issues? Why have you issued nothing of substance in defense of this false idol? Do you think all of those power hungry directives he's made are GOOD ideas? Why? Would you still consider them to be good ideas if bush did them? Why or why not? How bout anything? How bout anything other than the simple minded amateur sarcasm in response? Anything of substance? Why is chavez so great? Why are all of those things good ideas? Why would you condemn them if bush did them, but not if chavez does them? How are they not signs of a power hungry dictator in the making?

You crack me up. You really do. So quick on the defense of him and the sarcastic replies but yet not one WHIFF of substance to support or explain your position. Too much! :spray:

there's something about some certain Americans that think they can poke their noses into other peoples business and life around the world. whats up wth that?

The argument was one of ignorance and simple mindedness. It is a knee jerk emotional cliche thrown out there time and time again by the chavez cultists since it's all they can come up with in defense. Nothing weaker then the "well, well, well, look at what BUSH is doing!!!!" argument. It's nothing short of laughable.

Yes he would. But even with his limited capabilities he has done NOTHING AT ALL similar to the crap the Bush regime has done.

On the other hand the Bolivarian Movement is all about implementing Democratic Socialism, and that is what really gets your panties in a bind, isn't it?

Would you send your kids to a private school that isn't accredited???

isn't rooted in ideology.

This is:

All schools will be bound to "subordinate themselves to the constitution" and comply with the "new Bolivarian educational system," he said, referring to his socialist movement named after South American independence hero Simon Bolivar.

I just don't see that as being so great.

Eventually, all parties and coalitions lose power at some point. The rubber band in Venezuela has snapped to the left after being pulled so far right. Eventually, the pendulum will swing away from the extremes. Not that I'm not biased towards the left, mind you.

As far as accreditation goes, I tend to think it's nearly impossible to divorce ideology out of the accreditation process given the history of American education over the last 100 years, entrenched racism being the biggest issue in my mind over that period. With that said though, I'd say this issue largely depends on the details of the relevant laws dealing with privately-run education in Venezuela.

History, social studies, civics, etc.

And as my mother was a long time member of the New England Board of Accreditation, I'm sure of that.

This is just too sweeping for me.

http://www.pen.k12.va.us/VDOE/Instruction/History/textbooks/txtbook-hist.html

Virginia's ideological constraints are on display at that link. Of course you may not be able to see them as we tend to be blind to our own ideological biases, but they are there anyway if you look with open eyes.

problem along with their ideological blinkers: This is about PRIVATE SCHOOLS in Venezuala, not Public schools. So try again.

See other posts on this subject. Religious private schools may get exemptions based on church-state separation. Many countries regulate their educational systems, public and private. As far as reading comprehension goes, you should read these hit pieces on Chavez with a critical eye before you jump into the Stalinist Nightmare camp.

AINT WE GRAND? Is that why most high school students think the first admendment gives too much freedom to the press?

Edit..Venezuella is ALSO America..oops..US of America, not America which is a continent and not a country.

It refers to PRIVATE SCHOOLS. Want to tell me that there are NO private schools in the U.S. teaching civics. Oh, and my son, who recently graduated from the public school system, had a unit of civics in his sophmore year of high school. And that kid knows more about the subject than a hell of a lot of posters here.

If you think that the approval process is not rooted in ideology you are quite mistaken. It is just that we tend to be a bit blind to our own ideological biases.

Private Schools. Really living up to your name there.

Constitution Day (or Citizenship Day) is an American federal holiday that recognizes the ratification of the United States Constitution. It is observed on September 17, the day the U.S. Constitutional Convention signed the Constitution in 1787.

The law establishing the holiday was created in 2004 with the passage of an amendment by Senator Robert Byrd to the Omnibus spending bill of 2004. Before this law was enacted, the holiday was known as "Citizenship Day". In addition to renaming the holiday "Constitution Day and Citizenship Day," the act mandates that all publicly funded educational institutions provide educational programming on the history of the American Constitution on that day. In May 2005, the United States Department of Education announced the enactment of this law and that it would apply to any school receiving federal funds of any kind. This holiday is not observed by granting time off work for federal employees.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_Day_(United_States)

Yes it only affects educational institutions that receive any public funding, but there it is: proof that the USA is a stalinist dictatorship.

but none of them have anything like a cohesive ideology governing them.

(i think?)

For example.