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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:44 PM
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This is beautiful!


My daughter was breastfed for 6 months, and my son for 18 months. They both decided when they were done. I can't comprehend how anyone could have a problem with something so ancient, gentle, natural, and healthy.

Thank goodness my kids and my wife were able to go about their business in a state (Washington) which is one of 20 states which have exempted breastfeeding from public indecency laws.

Where does your state stand? Find out here:

http://www.ncsl.org/programs/health/breast50.htm
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:46 PM
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1. Yes, that is beautiful. And I'm so glad I was able to breast feed
my son before this country went insane.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:47 PM
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2. Yes it is!
I breastfed my first for ten months and my second for two years. It's a wonderful bonding experience which no child or mother should miss.
:)
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:48 PM
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3. yes it is!
nursed three here, from 11 months to 2 1/2 years.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:53 PM
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4. NY appears to be one of the more enlightened states allowing breastfeeding in any public or private
location.
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SaveElmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 08:54 PM
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5. Yes it is...and the baby is cute too!!!
:-)

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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:01 PM
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6. You and many are upset that many Americans feel uncomfortable
when women expose their breasts in public. You may have a point, however, forcing the public to change its opinion by parading nursing mothers in the malls and in restaurants is not going to change people's mind. At least, not so quickly. And, frankly, most of us can think of other issues, more important, that we would like to change the public's opinion.

What I do find strange, is many posters here who claim that "breasts are not a sexual organ." Do their partners think so, too? Did they hold this opinion, when the child was conceived (by intimate contact with a man, not with a test tube and a petri dish, that is)?

If these mothers still enjoy sexual intimacy with their partners, are their breasts really off limits not to be fondled and to cause arousal?

Why not agree that, like a man's penis, breasts have dual function, both as sex organs and to fulfill other bodily functions, at different times and place, of course?



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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:18 PM
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11. Frankly, when I was nursing, I didn't give a damn what people thought.
I had my priorities straight.

And, it may be a surprise to you, but nursing feels good. How else could you get a female mammal to endure all those hours of sitting still and attending to her young?

This culture is wound so tightly about sex that it can't even recognize a self promoting behavior like NURSING A BABY without going completely off the deep end.

:wow:

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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:21 PM
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14. It's not that one cannot be
attracted to breasts. It's that they aren't sex organs. They don't serve a sexual function. One can be attracted to nice legs, it doesn't make them sex organs. It feels nice for a lot of people when their partners nibble their earlobes, but ears aren't sex organs.

The stigma on nude breasts in public stems from cultural associations, not natural ones. In other parts of the world, breasts are not seen as sex organs, and are no more a part of a woman's attractiveness than any other part of her body.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:40 PM
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17. What?
Edited on Mon Sep-17-07 09:42 PM by RiverStone
I was not upset about anything. When our kiddos were hungry, my wife fed them. She was discreet - usually feeding behind a blanket or the baby sling; though what other people thought was a total non-issue. There was no attempt to "hide" or "show off" either --- she was just feeding our kid! In 2 years of BF, don't recall any complaints.

I totally dig lots about the exquisite curves that women possess; but the sexiest organ lies between the ears. How she thinks and feels....it all starts there.

In this man's eyes, I see nothing sexual in breast feeding whatsoever. Maybe because there is NOTHING sexual about the act itself.

I can only ascribe folks freaking out about it to some warped puritanical b.s that is unique to a sheltered segment of American culture??? :shrug:



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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:44 PM
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19. I'll answer and ask questions in return.
"What I do find strange, is many posters here who claim that "breasts are not a sexual organ." Do their partners think so, too? Did they hold this opinion, when the child was conceived (by intimate contact with a man, not with a test tube and a petri dish, that is)?"

My breasts are not a sexual organ and have never been. They fed my baby and make bumps in my shirt but that is all. My partners, or partner, was not breast focused either, was more of a butt man.

"If these mothers still enjoy sexual intimacy with their partners, are their breasts really off limits not to be fondled and to cause arousal?"
My breasts, if fondled, do not cause arousal. Shortly after weening my child they felt good if fondled, but that faded as time passed. Now, they feel good, but so does my neck. I'd rather have my neck kissed than my breasts, it does more for me sexually. (you asked)

A man's penis is for excretion of urine and the sexual part to get sperm into the right place to reproduce. Breasts are to feed babies and for some they feel good to be caressed, for others, meh. I don't see the comparison of men's penis to women's breasts as being a good one.

Finally, I feel there is a large difference between "women expose their breasts in public" and women breastfeeding. Streaking or feeding. There is a difference.

Now the questions. Are you male or female? Have you had a baby and nursed a baby yourself? If your neck sensitive? How about your earlobes? If you, as I, enjoy sexual intimacy with a partner who has erotic earlobes or neck, should they be required to cover them up so as to not tempt you?

Thank you.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:13 PM
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27. Oh, c'mon
Sure, different people have their own different erogenous zones, however I am not aware of anyone getting silicone implants in their ear lobes and not many in their butts.

And if you've ever caught a glimpse of an erotic movie, where does the love making start? usually at the breasts.

And if you've caught a glimpse of yesterday Emmys, you could not have miss all the female stars with dresses exposing as much of their breasts as possible - without the Fox censor posting a big black line on them.

I posted the "box in a box" video from youtube and where are the close up shots? At her breasts, of course.

As for your questions, I'll pass. From my experience, sticking to facts and informations and, yes, questions, usually move a line of discussion better without introducing personal data, though I appreciate the facts that often they do matter, when parents of soldiers in Iraq post, for example.

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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:02 AM
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30. You won't answer. Well. Which came first: the boob obsession or the implants.
Edited on Tue Sep-18-07 12:20 AM by uppityperson
Which came first, boob obsession or "making love starting at the breasts"? Which came first, boob obsession or low cut dresses? Cause and effect. Out society is boob nuts, so women get implants, low cut dresses. I haven't watched erotic movies to tell where does love making start. Because someone finds breasts attractive, therefor they ARE attractive and focused on.

You ask questions, you won't answer them. Yup. Question everything and answer nothing. OK. whatever

Edited to add, have you ever read "The Descent of Woman"? You might find it interesting. http://www.amazon.com/Descent-Woman-Elaine-Morgan/dp/0285627007
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?isbn=0285627007&itm=2
From the Publisher
This pioneering work, first published in 1972 and revised in 1985, was the first to argue, intelligently and irrefutably, the equal role of women in human evolution. The book's influence has been profound and lasting - on the terminology used by students of prehistoric anthropology, on the theory of evolution and, above all, on the biblically fostered attitudes towards women as an afterthought and an amenity. It remains the key book in any discussion of women's place in society.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:02 PM
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7. eee gad post a warning!
:sarcasm: :evilgrin:
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:06 AM
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31. Seriously!
:P

You should've seen my wife breast-feeding our twins...it was so symmetrical!
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:07 PM
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8. The less exposure we have to breastfeeding in this country.....
.... the more that breasts will continue to be an almost absurd obsession for American men. In countries where breastfeeding is done openly (tho politely) men are not obsessed.

As someone who wasn't born here, it continues to take me by surprise how American males practically suffer cardiac arrest at European beaches in an almost beserk attraction to breasts, when the main purpose of breasts is to feed children. American men return from Europe with their jaws still on the floor at having seen many breasts on European beaches, whereas European males are quite relaxed about it all.

Breast implants are one of the most popular elective surgeries here, and the reason is the breast-obsession by men.

Time to return breasts to what they were meant for, breastfeeding.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:19 PM
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13. The return of the repressed.
:rofl:
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:22 PM
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15. I was a restaurant manager for about 10 years and most complaints...
were from mothers with children. They would complain that they weren't covering up at all and their own children were acting like children and reacting to it instead of eating their meals. I would get the same kinds of complaints about people that would show more affection than most in the restaurant and the people that didn't feel it was appropriate would complain. Everyone has different comfort levels with different things. Its tough being in the middle, if you tried telling a mother to cover up she would rip you and you would get a complaint and when you didn't do it, the others would complain. No one wants to compromise, its all about their own rights with no thoughts of anyone else. Welcome to America!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:27 PM
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16. It is tough being in the middle.
:)
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:50 PM
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21. Parents should teach their children not to be miniature fuckwits.
I have a child and I would never EVER teach her to freak out over a woman's breast. It's really sad that people instill these fucked up ideas in their kids.

There doesn't need to be a middle ground - society needs to get over the fact that woman does not equal sex object.
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 10:04 PM
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23. I never approached any mother, I had to explain it to the person...
complaining and they would just get pissed at me that they couldn't come to our restaurant without having to see it. They just felt it was there right not to have to see it. It usually ended up in a complaint on me to the corporate office because I did nothing. I had the same thing with the kissing thing, it ended up being a complaint to our corporate office on me for doing nothing. I didn't see anything wrong with what took place but I guess it all depends on who you are and what your situation was when you were raised. I don't look negatively on either side because I know that sometimes some people are raised in unfortunate situations that form their outlooks and they had no control on who their parents were.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 07:23 PM
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35. My sister breastfed and men were always ogling her sexually, while women gave her angry looks.....
She (my sister) never saw another woman breasfeeding publicly here. She did in Europe.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 07:21 PM
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34. OF COURSE! Because this is now a country that equates the breast with sex and/or perversion etc.
Countries where public breastfeeding is the norm, are not that way. Neither are men's tongues hanging down to their navel if someone breastfeeds, nor are their wives angry with rage and jealousy, and terrified that this is an X-rated live movie.
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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 08:23 PM
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39. nor did she have to cover up, btw .
legally she's in the right and you asking someone to cover up was in the wrong. I've worked in the restaurant industry for 13 years now, and I have never had a problem with complaints about someone breastfeeding their infant.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:11 PM
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9. The nerve of you to post
such an understatement! How dare you not describe such a scene as anything less than a miracle!

My kids were breast fed. Beautiful, indeed.
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Colorado Progressive Donating Member (980 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:13 PM
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10. So beautiful and natural. I just quit nursing my daughter, and wonder
why so many people still stare in shock when you nurse your child. I can't believe how many people still give horrified looks, probably the fundies wetting their pants because its the first time they caught a glimpse of a real boobie.
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:19 PM
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12. It is.
Thanks for posting.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:40 PM
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18. That what them things are for?
Thanks - been wondering.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:45 PM
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20. Very nice picture. My story about biorhythms and breastfeeding...
My child was a baby when I visited a place which had a "try to make beta waves" biorhythm thing. I sat down, hooked up, relaxed and thought about nursing my baby and the needle shot way up. People there were amazed, thought I'd have prior biorhythm experience, finally were convinced when I sat down with child and showed them.
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motocicleta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 09:53 PM
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22. Bingo
K n R
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 10:05 PM
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24. I certainly see nothing wrong with it at all! (n/t)
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gate of the sun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 10:13 PM
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25. I breastfeed five children
over a long period of time as my oldest is 29 and my youngest 7. I can't believe that we have merged so mightily with puritanism that we can't accept a "natural and healthy process".
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ryanus Donating Member (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:30 AM
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32. I've seen so many breastfeeding session....
I seriously don't know what all the fuss is. I guess people have become used to seeing breasts as something sexual rather than how babies eat.

In fact, I can't remember the last day that went by when I didn't see breastfeeding.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 10:17 PM
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26. indeed!
cute kid too

:rofl:

ok, just kidding. Of course it is. I cannot for the life of me comprehend the so-called controversy. Both of our daughters were breastfed, including in restaurants, museums, wherever we were. The very idea that some equate it to something that belongs in the bathroom is appalling.
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Longhorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:19 PM
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28. I honestly didn't know that women could breastfeed until I was pregnant the first time.
I thought it was something they USED to do. At that point, 29 years ago, I had never seen anyone breastfeed before. I went on to nurse all four children, including twins to the age of about one year. My mother was so unsupportive that she wanted me to leave my own living room if anyone other than my husband was present! She would freak out if I nursed in public, even if I was covered with a blanket.

I think we've made some progress but it's clear that we have a long way to go.

And yes, the picture is beautiful! :hi:
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 11:48 PM
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29. Read it again: Only four states lack laws protecting breastfeeding.
Nebraska, North Dakota, Mass., and West Virginia.

Some protect it by exemption from indecency law, some by explicitly permitting it, and some do both.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 06:54 AM
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33. Yes tis lovely
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midlife_mo_Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 07:28 PM
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36. Very lovely photo
I wish I had such lovely photos of me nursing my children.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 07:43 PM
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37. It's natural. Anything "natural" has incredible beauty in this state of harmful human behavior.
I feel a discomfort I can't even express at others' intolerance of basic conditions.

I wonder: what the hell is wrong with these people?

I do not know what is wrong with them. I only know what is natural and perfectly correct,...a newborn feeding according to life.
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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 07:52 PM
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38. oh no! not a boobie!
it is a beautiful and natural thing. Mine is 10 months, and we're still bf'ing.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 08:26 PM
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40. Beautiful pic. I nursed my boys for
three years and four years, respectively. I have no regrets. Americans need to get over breasts being "dirty pillows".
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