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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 12:53 PM
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We could help Rather with his suit.
Edited on Fri Sep-21-07 01:51 PM by Stephanie


I remember when this story first went down there were tons of research threads on DU. Info about TANG, fonts, the people involved, etc. If we can assemble all that info for Rather's lawyers it couldn't hurt. What can we dig out of the DU archives? Got anything bookmarked?




Here's a link to the lawsuit in PDF:

http://www.observer.com/files/Rather_suit.pdf

Here's Rather's attorney, if you want to send info directly:

MARTIN ROTH GOLD
SONNENSCHEIN, NATH & ROSENTHAL
1221 AVENUE OF THE AMERICAS
NEW YORK, NY 10020-1001


A paragraph the Complaint linked above:


52. Immediated after the Broadcast, internet bloggers began to attack the authenticity of the Documents. Many also accused Mr. Rather of being personally biased against President Bush. The next day some elements of the mainstream press also began questioning the authenticity of the Documents. Few, if any, of the blogs or media stories disputed the substance of the story that Bush received preferentail treatment in connection with his Air National Guard Service.



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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 12:56 PM
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1. EXCELLENT
Edited on Fri Sep-21-07 01:01 PM by SpiralHawk
Our sons and daughters in uniform deserve a Commander in Chief with more intelligence and honor than a republicon Homelander chickenhawk deserter like George whimpout Bush




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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 12:58 PM
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2. Great idea Steph
I had to dig deep. My bush is a deserting sack of shit research was buried way underneath my research about all the sexual perverts in the gop but by golly I came up with two possibilities:

http://www.glcq.com/bush_at_arpc1.htm

http://www.awolbush.com/

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 01:27 PM
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15. oh wow - that's by Paul Lukasiak
I remember posting with him at Salon TableTalk during the 2000 recount. He dug up tons of info on Volusia County. He's an awesome researcher and writer.

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 01:30 PM
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17. from the site >



http://www.glcq.com/me.htm

HOW DID HE DO IT?

I started out trying to answer one question. Why did a key document (http://www.glcq.com/docs/point_sum_73-74.htm )that the White House asserted “proved that Bush fulfill his duty” appear to contradict that claim. The basis of the White House claim was the “Lloyd memo” that asserted that as long as Bush got 50 points toward retirement, he had a good year. The document in question shows that while Bush got 40 total points, he only received 38 points toward retirement. Obviously, there was something in the laws and policies that excluded two of the 40 points from being considered “retirement points”, and if I could find out what that was, I could show that the White House was lying.

The deeper I dug, the more questions were raised about other aspects of Bush’s records. One of the first things I discovered was that there was no such thing as a 50 point requirement when it came to Bush fulfilling his obligations to the United States Armed Forces as a member of the Air National Guard. There is no requirement that Bush have a “good year toward retirement”, a “good year toward retirement” was inevitable as long as Bush met the actual requirements as established in the laws and Air Force policies. (i.e. meeting his obligations solely as a member of the Air National Guard would result in Bush accumulating a total of at least 74 points per fiscal year, and that number does not include the additional points he would have been awarded for meeting his flight time requirements as a pilot.)

Another thing that became obvious is that Bush could not be a pilot without meeting the qualifications for a pilot. In other words, Bush had to have that physical for as long as his “job title” was “pilot.” Regardless of whether he flew or not, being qualified to fly was an absolute part of his obligations as someone whose job was “pilot” in the Air National Guard. And until he was given permission to stop being a pilot by the Air Force itself, even if he wasn’t flying for some reason he was required to get that physical.

A NOTE TO MEDIA TYPES

Although there is a whole arsenal of “smoking guns” in the Bush military files, the single most damning document is the one that I linked to above, the Retirement Credit Summary dated Jan. 30, 1974.

Find out :

1) What “Inactive Status” actually means
2) Why and how Bush was placed in an “Inactive Status”
3) Why that “Inactive Status” was effective September 15, 1973
4) Why the document was dated January 30, 1974

…and you will have figured out what these records have to say about George W. Bush’s military career.

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 12:58 PM
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3. Here's one. Over 100 DU vets testify that they know exactly where their DD-214 is.
Edited on Fri Sep-21-07 01:35 PM by Stephanie
It's not exactly credible that Bush can't find his.




http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1081070

BOSSHOG (1000+ posts) Tue Feb-03-04 12:12 PM
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A Question for my Fellow Veterans

Are there any questions about your attendance record? Are your muster records filled with obfuscation and confusion? Would a Sergeant or a Chief play havoc with your life if you were "in absentia?" How long would it take you to prove that you served honorably? Could you whup out a DD-214 faster than zell miller could lie about being a democrat? - okay, thats a tossup!

My fellow liberals, poke a conservative in the eye with the above scenario. george bush wasn't there. Call it desertion, call it AWOL, all it UA, just CALL IT!!! Call it loud and call it every day until the election. The last thing the white house wants is for you and me to tell the truth about george bush.

CLINTON DID NOT SERVE - BUSH SERVED DISHONORABLY.



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Mend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 01:26 PM
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14. missed this thread first time around...I know where my DD-214 is, it is
in my desk drawer and I was hon. discharged in 1956.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 01:31 PM
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18. not something you lose track of, is it?
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 02:00 PM
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25. No way My Dear
Mine survived Katrina in a bank safe deposit box about four miles east of Lake Pontchartrain. It smells a tad musty but it made it through. We citizens type folks have to keep track of alot papers but a DD-214 is a brick of gold to vets. My wife did her four years and we have her DD-214 safe and sound as well.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 02:48 PM
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28. Thank you for your Service Teammate
bush knows where his is, its around here somewhere, just like the wmd in the oval office.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 01:34 PM
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19. I used to work in a personnel office near Ft. Hood
and we didn't hire any former military WITHOUT their DD214.
It's just as important to former military as their birth certificate or Drivers License is (of course Bush got issued a new one of those too).
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 12:58 PM
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4. Good idea...
How many honorable men and women have had their reputations tainted by the dishonorable people in this administration?!
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 01:00 PM
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5. Where do we send it once we have compiled it?
I have things but I want to make sure it gets to the right place. I would also like to contact Dan himself and send him words of encouragement and thanks for standing up for free speech. :dem:
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 01:18 PM
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12. I just added his attorney's address to the OP.
And a link to the lawsuit.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 02:03 PM
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26. You are a jewel My Dear
No doubt the numbnuts over at FR are saying we evil liberals "are trying to help Rather BY TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT BUSH." Why do we Hate America?
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Lint Head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 02:16 PM
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27. Thanks Stephanie. This is great!
:dem:
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 01:01 PM
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6. Uh, How much does an Armani go for these days?
But, Seriously, it's a great idea.

I know there is a huge amount of relevant info in our archives
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 01:01 PM
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7. Exactly what I've been thinking, Stef...
We can do for Rather what we were unable to do for other investigations of Bush1 in the past - BACK HIM UP!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 04:46 PM
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29. I remember one night there were a ton of threads.
It must have been shortly after the first report aired.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 01:03 PM
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8. Some Good Info At This Site
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 01:04 PM
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9. I, for one, know that that font in questions existed on the IBM Selectric
because I used one in the air force. Those little balls of fonts were terrific.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 08:36 PM
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35. Didnt those ball typewriters come out in the 1940's
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 01:05 PM
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10. Good idea!
k&r
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 01:06 PM
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11. I THINK I FOUND, IF NOT THE, THEN CERTAINLY A MOTHERLODE
Edited on Fri Sep-21-07 01:06 PM by BOSSHOG
Just check out the journals of DUer EXLRRP. He did a shitload of research on this subject. Great stuff.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 01:19 PM
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13. You're right - tons of info! link >
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 01:29 PM
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16. What a good idea! Let's keep this kicked and re-posted, so everybody who has
stuff will see it.

Dan Rather now works for HD.net. Visit his page. Many of his reports are posted there for viewing, including the amazing "The Trouble with Touchscreens"--one of the best investigative reports I've ever seen! There are also transcripts. And a feedback page.

http://www.hd.net/danrather.html
http://www.hd.net/feedback.html?refPage=danrather

HDNet Dallas Office
320 S. Walton Street
Dallas, TX 75226
(214) 672-1740

HDNet Denver Office
2400 N Ulster St
Denver, CO 80238
(303) 542-5600

(--probably a tech line, but what the heck:) For URGENT after-hours assistance, call (303) 542-5507.
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 01:37 PM
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20. kicking
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 01:39 PM
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21. Since we know that bush and rove have stripped all the archives
from the NARA - remember they sent clerks there to remove stuff. Why don't we secretly investigate where he was during that year. There has got to be stuff all over this country showing that.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 01:44 PM
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22. More, posted today by antiimperialist, currently on the GP
Edited on Fri Sep-21-07 01:46 PM by intheflow
I'm posting it here to keep our research neat and tidy and together in one place.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3538812

Speaking about Dan Rather accusing CBS brass of being in cahoots with the White House, this is what CBS chief Sumner Redstone, had to say about the 2004 elections:

"I don't want to denigrate Kerry," he went on, "but from a Viacom standpoint, the election of a Republican administration is a better deal. Because the Republican administration has stood for many things we believe in, deregulation and so on. The Democrats are not bad people. . . . But from a Viacom standpoint, we believe the election of a Republican administration is better for our company."

Reported by the Wall Street Journal.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110005669

Need I say more?


Good one, antiimperialist! :thumbsup:

**Edited because I always forget to spell check, and it always bites me in the ass!

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 01:49 PM
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23. That's noted in the Complaint, linked above >
62. Following the appointment of the Panel, Mr. Redstone told Time Magazine that Viacom and CBS would "wait for the report to try to determine whether there would be any consequences to anybody at CBS News." In that same interview, Mr. Redstone reiterated his view that he supported a Bush victory in the upcoming presidential election, which would be beneficial to Viacom.

63. As Mr. Redstone had made clear, it was important to Viacom to have good relations with the Oval Office. The appointment of a man with Mr. Thornburgh's background reflected CBS's desire to appoint a panel that would placate the Bush administration, while neatly laying the "blame" for the story on certain employees.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 01:52 PM
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24. Well, blame my drive-by reading of DU at work!
I'm supposed to be making travel arrangements for my boss, instead I'm posting redundant links here. :rofl:

Thanks for the heads-up! :hi:
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 04:51 PM
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30. I watched Rather on CNN last night
Larry King seemed to be squirming a bit more than usual. I wonder why. Not that anyone thinks Larry is a journalists, but some other folks there seems to think they are.

specially at that comment Rather made comparing journalists with talking heads.
yah sure, only CBS is guilty of this.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 05:45 PM
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31. CNN is controlled by the major shareholder in AOL/TIME-Warner/CNN
Kingdom Holdings.

House of Saud and House of Bush have been controlling CNN since they forced Ted Turner out.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 06:05 PM
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32. it's quite apparent
and has been for a long time, probably around the Ted Turner times as you say. all the big media has strings more attached to wamongering profits than honest journalism.

I heard Rather say, if he wins any cash from this, he will donate to an Independent Journalists cause. But, this case will go on forever, don't we know how that works. Rather did good, but there is no pot at the end of this rainbow. false hope all over again.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 06:19 PM
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33. That's a great idea. I'd also like to suggest letters of support.
This can't be easy and it's going to get even harder for him before he wins. Thanks for the contact info - I was just wondering where one might be able to reach him.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 06:57 PM
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34. kick on account of an AWOL liar is sending our sons and daughters
to a faraway foriegn land to die in an oil profits crusade based on lies, a crusade that benefits only fatcat republicon war profiteering cronies
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 08:52 PM
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36. speaking of Table Talk, what about Marty Heldt?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-24-07 10:25 AM
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39. good idea!
I just sent a few links and some info to the atty - if he replies I'll send more. :hi:
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 10:58 PM
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37. K&R
:patriot:
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 01:07 PM
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38. Great idea!
:kick:
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