Why so much outrage on DU about Ahmadinejad and so little about the Saudi leaders?

Saudi Arabia is arguably worse than Iran in terms of being a repressive theocracy.

Saudi also supports terrorism and Wahhabi madrassas all over the Middle East.

And yet, because Ahmadinejad is all over the MSM, DUers fall for the propaganda and the drumbeat of hate for Ahamad is amazingly strong here.

Where is the hate for the Saudi Arabian leaders?

Or are we just another bunch of sheeple who predictably react when stimulated in a certain fashion by the MSM?

And, the Saudis?

Whatcha gonna do? :shrug: MKJ

You're kind of new...

I have a pretty good idea of how things go down here.

And I don't recall ever seeing the level of vitriol for Saudi leaders as for Ahmadinejad..

So true.

(or at least they haven't gotten the "usual MSM coverage" about this. :shrug:

I'd be willing to wager that gays are under dire threat in Saudi too.

I can't imagine gays getting a much better deal in Saudi Arabia than they are getting in Iran.

Saudi Arabians celebrate Hitler's birthday.

I hope that makes you feel better. :hi:

Seriously, this whole Ahmadinejad thing is just being used to whip people into an anti-Iran frenzy, to make them more open to the thought of war against Iran.

It's so fucking obvious...yet I worry that the sheeple will fall for it in time for the upcoming elections. I don't think this country will be able to take another four years of Republican insanity.

It's what's happening here on DU too, and it sickens me to see people falling for it again when they should damn well know better by now.

"Zionist Colony" known by most of the world as Israel. This Iranian Puppet is pumping himself up &
giving the RWing of Amerika exactly what it wants; hatred towards Iran for an excuse to attack & over throw that Regime.

Did you get in on that? Why? What brought tasers to the forefront of the discussion?? Gosh, could it have been...a media story??

Listen, are you guys seriously saying that now we aren't supposed to discuss things if they appear in the mainstream media? Or are you saying that the MSM has it all wrong and Ahmadinejad is just one wonderful, misunderstood guy? A wonderful misunderstood guy that the Human Rights Council isn't wild about and who doesn't happen to have ANY gay people in his country? Most likely because they have all already been executed??

By the MSM..

The MSM didn't want us to get upset about the taser incident, they damn well *do* want us to get upset about Ahmadinejad.

I don't think the people here are getting upset the way you think the MSM wants them to. You are saying that the MSM is working as an arm of the WH and selling us on a war with Iran. While a large number of DUer's are posting anti-Ahmadinejad comments, they are also NOT wanting to go to war. Just like they might not have been card carrying members of the Saddam Hussein Fan Club, but also didn't support the war in Iraq.

For your total theory to be accurate, Ahmadinejad would have to be a basically nice guy who is getting a raw deal from the MSM and anybody who is against him is just falling for the MSM party line. I just don't think that is the case.

It is also a good thing, when you remember, to recall that what "happened" today is not necessarily more important than what happened yesterday.

Also, it is good to remember how very much we are ALL being manipulated (myself included) or at least how much they are trying.

So, WRT the Saudi Princes vs. the Iranian President, my point stands that the only reason we are showing outrage over Ahmadinejad is that the media is pushing it big time.

without basis in fact? That he is really a good guy getting a raw deal from the WH and the MSM?

And I think you are really underestimating the ability of DUer's to be outraged. I am constantly amazed at the level of outrage they can generate for nearly every subject. For god's sake, there were a lot of people outraged over a high school dress code today. And some of those same people also managed to be outraged by Ahmadinejad, Lieberman, anti-Cindy Sheehan comments and a host of other subjects. Really, there is just no end to the outrage here.

Seriously, crank up an anti-Saud thread and watch that sucker run. I bet people will be outraged all over that sucker.

We are not JUST talking about Ahmadinjad in a vacuum here. The salient point is that OUR COUNTRY is fixing to attack Iran next and you are hearing the drumbeats and you are dancing.

Now, you may say you are "not actually dancing to the music". Maybe you have RLS (Restless Leg Syndrome), I don't know. But others looking from the outside see you standing and wiggling and it looks for all the world like dancing.

The drums are getting louder. What are you gonna do right now?

Other than not talking about Ahmadinejad?

BTW...I can't dance. Don't ask me. I am not on the 'hate Ahmadinejad' bandwagon.

What are YOU gonna do right now? I mean, besides telling everybody that they should not talk about Ahmadinejad.

I am in the middle of writing my Repuke Senators each a letter. Not sure it is going to help. But I am writing.

We are already the good guys. I don't have Puke Senators.

I feel like I am spitting in the wind a lot of the time.

I certainly don't think Ahmadinejad is a good guy, but there are far worse in the world that go completely unnoticed by the MSM, and mostly by DU as well..

Cause if he isn't a good guy and saying that is 'helping bush whip up frenzy against Iran'...we should just avoid discussing him?

Can't we just talk about them one at a time??

You know, DUH, you're right. Ahmadinejad is in the news right now, so it has dragged up a discussion about him. God, that is SO amazing!! What an incredbily unforeseeable circumstance!!

Hey, I have an idea. You can be our resident Hate Director. Every day, you can start the Hate thread and tell everybody who it is OK for them to hate that day.

For the record, I don't know Ahmadinejad well enough to hate him.

Hate is the second most destructive emotion after jealousy.

There are people I would really rather avoid, though. Ahmadinejad AND the Sauds fall into that category.

I don't want to go to war against Iran. It scares me shitless that it is being so seriously considered. But I also don't think it is from outerspace that people are talking about him here and that a good portion of that talk is negative. Negative talk about Iran's leader does not equal a desire to go to war against him nor is it a sign that the people who feel that way are sheeple.

I have an idea... Find some positive stuff about Ahmadinejad and post it. If you feel that the anti-Ahmadinejad sentiment has been manufactured and nurtured by the MSM, show people that it is wrong.



I cannot TYPE tonight.

Which has been pointed out time and again here on DU and yet everyone continues to engage in a "two week hate".

Does he have to have power to be despicable? He is the face of the regime. While he may not be wielding a great deal of the power, the words of that power are coming out of his mouth. I also think it might be a little misleading to say that he has 'very little power' in Iran. He has to share power in ways that are not like the way we do things here. But he still has power.

I just hate to see people who should know better led around like cattle by the MSM..

best propaganda was the truth. That doesn't make it any less propaganda.

We just need to separate the facts from the hyperbole.

Ahmadinejad is the Iranian president - a largely ceremonial position. He does not control the military. He does not control the police. He does not control the mullahs. He does not control their nuclear program.

He does trade and diplomacy, and very little else. Therefore, jumping all over him, in chorus with the Bush administration, is only adding to the calls for war - because whatever he is not the power in Iran, just a focal point for propaganda.

The best option is to not feed the beast - don't pass along the propaganda, don't attack him, don't defend him. Ignore him.

performances on cue..even the script is reiterated with the correct inflections. The debate is framed..the parameters of argument set.. long before the first post. My side or your side..nothing in between.

Which is what happens when you fall into the trap of the outrage de jure of the MSM.

Maybe not much, but every little bit helps bush do what he wants.

Singling them out for particular scorn is coinciding with Bush's push for war in Iran. It's propaganda.

US attitudes towards human rights, and homosexuality particularly, have changed significantly over a relatively short period of time, and they sure didn't change because a hostile foreign superpower was threatening to destroy our civilization if we didn't wise up.

The Iranian reformers need peace in their country, and the ability to fight their own fight. Bombing them will solve nothing, and only make things worse.

Seriously. This "with us or against us; you're providing comfort to the enemy" bullshit has to stop.

No, pointing out the failures of the administration is not "helping the terrorists." No, pointing out the failures of Ahmadinejad is not "helping Bush." It's helping the truth, and if an enemy of my enemy happens to be in the wrong, I will not be wring my hands in silence regarding the former for fear the latter might take some solace in it.

where we are all allowed to trash each and every nominee??? IT IS FREEPER HEAVEN HERE NOW...and they post on other threads as well!

1. M.A. is in the news, so we're talking about him.
2. Idiots keep defending him. Nobody here defends the House of Saud.

propaganda campaign is NOT the same as defending him. Refusing to demonize him is NOT defending him.

the best possible explanation for why liberals might dislike a theocratic, homophobic, militia-sponsoring Holocaust revisionist is that the Right Wing is tricking them into it. Apparently it has not entered your mind that we might disapprove of a man who stands against everything we stand for of our own accord.

Well, no, surprised is the wrong word. What's the word that means "not at all surprised, but freshly disappointed nevertheless?"

Nobody is defending Ahmadinejad.

You are being used. Get wise to it.

telling everyone that criticism of a homophobic Holocaust denier is part of a RW plot, go ahead.

So tell me, when are you going to have his babies?

Sigh...oh, that was sarcasm, but you probably picked up on that.

What you say is perfectly true, but well - apparently saying that if you aren't in love with him then you must want to bomb Iran is a much much worse logical fallacy than saying that if you think there's the slightest hint of propaganda in the media's treatment of him you obviously love him and also obviously think that anyone who says anything about bad about him wants to bomb Iran, since so many people are condemning the one and committing the other in the same post.

Is that it is yet another distraction by the MSM.

Take your eye off the road for a second and some jerk stands on the brakes in front of you.

The thing to ask is this: What else is going on while we are distracted by a deliberate campaign to demonize Ahmadinejad?